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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 02:44 PM
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Identity cards set to be scrapped
Their abolition is among measures the parties have agreed to reverse what they say was "the substantial erosion" of civil liberties in recent years.

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The new government is also proposing to scrap all future biometric passports and the Contact Point Database as part of a new so-called "Freedom or Great Repeal Bill".

It wants to "roll back" powers it says were taken by the state under Labour and has pledged to defend trial by jury, restore rights to non-violent protest, end the storage of internet and email records without good reason, introduce safeguards against the "misuse" of anti-terrorism legislation.

The new government also wants extra safeguards over the retention of people's DNA by the police.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8678233.stm
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EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 03:10 PM
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1. That sounds good.
I'm not fond of the 'papers, citizen' idea.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 03:48 PM
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2. Good!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:04 PM
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3. Good. What a stupid idea that was in the first place.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:41 PM
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4. Yes but I'm surprised
about dumping bio passports which in theory must be far more difficult to forge than ordinary machine readable ones.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:58 PM
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5. Yes they are.
The UK passports which Mossad forged were pre-biometric documents. I also wonder what the USA will think of all this as they strongly pushed for EU nations to adopt biometric passports as a condition for keeping the Visa Waiver programme.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 06:12 PM
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7. I had to renew mine last year
before I went to Rochester to me meet up with another 80 or so other serious nutters like me who collect banjos so now I've got a bio anyway. It would seem that ordinary machine readables are ok for the time being with visa waiver and no notice of a future cut off point. 'Case you didn't know you have to get pre-approval online these days to get prior permission to fly. Still the same old pony questions on the inflight form - do you intend to commit an act of armed insurrection against the USA, have you ever kidnapped a child in the USA blah, blah, blah.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:02 PM
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8. It seems the ones they're dumping would have had your fingerprints as part of the biometrics
and it doesn't look like the US was pushing for that (though they apparently take your fingerprints when you go in anyway). According to Wikipedia, all the Schengen countries have to have fingerprints recorded on their passports, but we've escaped that.

Second-generation biometric passports will be scrapped alongside ID cards and the National Identity Register by the new Tory-LibDem government, probably as part of a merger between the LibDem Freedom Bill, and the Great Repeal Bill advocated by some sections of the Tory party. It isn't as yet entirely clear what will be in this Bill, but there is sufficient common ground between the two parties for it to be one of the easier tasks for the new government.

Both parties went into the election committed to scrapping ID cards and the NIR, and though the LibDems were the only major UK party to pledge to add biometric passport enhancements (adding fingerprints, and possibly other weird stuff if you believe Meg Hillier) to the bonfire, the UK has no international obligation to deliver a second-generation passport. They would have been a tempting and easy cut for the Tories if they'd been able to govern on their own.

Although both parties intended to scrap the NIR, it's not yet clear how the new government will do this, and it's more complicated than it looks. The LibDem Freedom Bill deals with the whole ID matter thus:
(1) The Identity Cards Act 2006 (c.15) (which establishes the National Identity Register) is repealed.

Which is commendably brief, but doesn't address how the Identity and Passport Service (which will need a new name, for a start) will be constituted after that Act is repealed. IPS could be turned back into something along the lines of the old Passport Service, but that will also need to be legislated for, and the organisation's switch from a document-centric to a person-centric approach (which occurred before the ID Cards Act was passed) means that it will continue to be about identity unless someone does something about it.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/12/tory_libdem_id_scrappings/


The UK has been issuing “biometric” passports (also known as “ePassports”) since 2006.
The passports include a microchip which stores a digitised image of the holder’s passport
photograph as well as the biographical details printed on the passport. Non-biometric
passports continue to be valid until they expire.

In 2012 the Government intends to begin to issue “second generation” ePassports, which will
include fingerprint data. It has not set an exact date for this yet, but it intends to amend the
Identity Cards Act 2006 in order to establish a single application process which will enable
persons to obtain a biometric passport and/or identity card. This means that in the future,
passport applicants will have their identity details and biometrics stored on the National
Identity Register.

http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/briefings/snha-04126.pdf


(That doc may not be available at the moment; I got the text from the Google cache for it)

So this should mean you don't have to turn up to a special passport application centre to have your fingerprints taken, and then recorded in the government database.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:25 AM
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11. US fingerprints you on entry.
Just a scanner : not a black ink pad......lol. No big deal and only takes seconds. Might have scanned my face too - don't recall.

Not even any routine questions either as there may have been in the past - just "enjoy your stay".
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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 06:11 PM
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6. Given that the new government has at least £ 6 billion of spending cuts planned
then it is hardly surprising that some of these items have been axed since implementing them was likely to cost billions.

As for the right to non-violent protest I was not aware it had been abolished, even under New Labour


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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:09 PM
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9. Maybe that's the law about protesting at Westminster?
I can't remember how that ended up - I vaguely recall the government said it was going to give up enforcing it because it wasn't worth it, but I may have that wrong. Perhaps there's still something that needs repealing. It may also be about the use of harrassment laws to prevent protests.
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D-Notice Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:09 AM
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10. It's still there on paper
but like you said they gave up enforcing it, probably due to Mark Thomas's monthly lone protests.

They were fun, but shouldn't have been necessary.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:44 AM
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12. Seems strange that a troy govt is scrapping a labour big-brother scheme..
..but that's what happens when you stare through the looking-glass...

Some of the shit New Labour tried to pull off would have made Maggie's heart skip a beat (if she had one)...
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:49 AM
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13. Blair was Thatcher Jr; but this lot will be even worse - though they're right on this issue
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