Bush Boost=Gay Marriage

Lets face it, if the gay marriage issue wasn't on the ballot this November, there wouldn't have been such a big turnout of Xtians, who overwelmingly think Bush is God's chosen son.

There's the Bush twist... use us gays to get him elected.

Do you not remember what these people have done in the last four years? WHow can you assume he numbers are real? The majoiryt of americans voted against Bush and we need to get to the bottom of this.

I keep reading this here, but we know that it is impossible to change the outcome of this election. If the media calls it and Kerry concedes, then in the minds of the American public, it is over.

I agree that something smells fishy, but I don't agree that there is anything we can do about it. The GOP has demonstrated that it is willing to do anything to remain in power.

but you'll eat up the horse shit excuses the mdeis feeds you?

Real logical.

They fucking hate us. All eleven anti-gay state measures passed -- and by a wide margin! America is not ready to get rid of this hateful prejudice. It was too soon to press the matter.

I believe you are just plain effin wrong.

deciding to join the Nazis. I think this election was stolen, and it would be a huge mistake to look at our politics as the cause of the 'outcome.'

How many fucking more threads do we have to see blaming gays for the election loss?

Don't like the gay vote, then you are heading down the right track, because the gay community will get sick and tired of dems like you stabbing us, and will take their votes to a party who truly believes in equality!

We can't afford to tear each other to shreds because of our anger at the hatred that seems to be ruling this country. I see it happening in my family when anger and frustration at something external makes my spouse snap at our daughter for minor things - and I see it happening here.

I'm a legally married lesbian in Ohio, where the amendment just made it harder to gain legal recognition of my marriage. You can imagine I'm just thrilled this morning.

But - the blame/anger in the first post was directed at Republicans for creating higher turnout by putting a hot button issue for the religious right on the ballot to drive that ilk of people out to vote - not at gays.

Darling... Lover... Light of my life...

This "blame the gays" business has only just begun. I suspect a great many lashing out right now are merely lashing out, and nothing more. (Not, mind you, that that has stopped me from jumping into half a dozen threads in an attempt to stem the blame game. But still.)

And, um... How do I say this discreetly? It was just this sort of thing that made us create that thing we created... and which we both need to get back to. Or rather, I do.

I think it's about the only place to take solace at the moment.

After licking our wounds? I don't know, babe. But I suspect there are things we can be doing that will be more constructive, and won't sap the energy out of us in such a debilitating way. (Like, oh, fuck it all, retreating into a cocoon and watching disaster and horror movies for the next four years sounds pretty good to me.)

But, seriously... The only positive thing I can think to do is to dive headfirst back into the worldwide gay-rights movement. I think it's a lost cause in my country, but it's not -- not yet -- in yours.

ATW... FAIR... RR mean anything? ;)

...take me by the hand and lead the way! I am sick of the blame game bullshit. It does not one bit of sense to me at all, especially considering Kerry said he DIDN'T support gay marriage!

Go Figure!

I AM saying that Bush used us (and for further clarity, yes I am a gay man) to his advantage by firing up his religious right. If anyone honestly believes that a bunch of left leaning, open minded people shot down the marriage amendments in 11 states, check your medication levels. It was the religious right that did it. And last time I checked, not too many on the religious right were in Kerry's column. Particularily in Ohio.

Say what you want, but Rove is smart (and smarmy), and I bet there were many discussions involving this issue with the Repuglican Governors in percieved battleground states.

I'd be willing to bet in 2008 when there is no initiatives on the ballot, and there is four more years of Shrubbie and his bullshit, you'll see alot more blue on the election map.

The electoral map was practically identical to 2000 when there was no gay issues on the ballots - and Bush was not talking about marriage.

and as far as I'm concerned, I'll never vote in a party that disregards the civil/human rights of a group of people. Who can, with a good conscience? I believe the Democratic message on gay marriage is not strong enough, and this is what confuses middle America.

I strongly feel that in order to maintain separation of Church and State, the government must not recognize any marriages...including heterosexual...and should recognize all civil unions. Marriage should be defined by religions; and there are enough of those to recognize everybody.

The revolution did not just happen in 1917. It was brewing in the intellectual class in Russia for many decades. I saw on a documentary that banning marriage was one of their positions. Now I know that banning marriage was because of religion. A moment of revelation!

It's merely a matter of leaving the definition of marriage to religion.

I am going to be thinking about this one. Bookmarked and off to work!