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ClintCooper2003 (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:48 AM Original message |
Arnebeck Speaks! |
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AlexHamilton (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
1. Nice... |
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jamboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Arnebeck rocks! He replied to me too re: transcript of his interview |
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noclonyofthechimp (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 05:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
92. Do we know what time the hearings will be held on C-SPAN tomorrow? |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 05:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. I'm not sure why this makes me so mad! |
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truehawk (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 06:37 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. They stole it where they would be under the least scrutny. |
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electropop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 12:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
57. I agree about stealing back the lost Repub votes |
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Stand and Fight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
64. Excellent Post! |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 05:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
88. Even if nothing that happens between now and Jan. changes the election |
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americanwhothinks (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 05:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
96. Very nicely put, PP!! Hear, hear!! n/t |
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WINEWOMAN7 (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
36. Good article, good site. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
2. I wonder if this is what happened in the Florida panhandle |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:11 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Very, Very, Very likely |
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dlaliberte (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
66. No it was dixiecrats who *usually* vote for republican prez |
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bunny planet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:26 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I've never bought the Dixiecrat arguement/explanation in it's entirety. |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 05:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
23. In almost every county in FL |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 12:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
62. I agree, and very difficult to prove because of past voting |
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ClintCooper2003 (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
79. I doubt this is what happened in the Panhandle because the fact of... |
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RaulVB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:53 AM Response to Original message |
3. Arnebeck is just great! |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:54 AM Response to Original message |
4. Warren. The black hole in our tainted election galaxy. |
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genieroze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
42. Moderate republicans have to start speaking out. eom |
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wiggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
6. As a strategy, this makes sense. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:00 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. if you can't screw those who trust you |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. By targeting these votes |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 04:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Which also serves to isolate defecting Republicans |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
60. not to mention |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
7. Elegant in its simplicity. Kick! |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
9. Suspect same tactic in Snohomish, Yakima and possibly... |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:55 AM Response to Reply #9 |
19. I see some evidence of this probably in Minnesota too |
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The Bear (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 06:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
100. FYI, I've passed this on |
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chrisclub (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
10. Did Arnebeck file suit today? |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:24 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. tomorrow, I hear. n/t |
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zann725 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 06:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
99. I thought it was to be today. The more they drag it out, the more I worry |
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delphine (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
11. So how does he know this? And how does he prove it? nt |
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ClintCooper2003 (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:15 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I think the proving it will be difficult. But he obviously feels strongly |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 10:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
32. The punch cards are the proof unless they are able to substitute |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 04:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Prove it? |
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genieroze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
46. I think you have something here. |
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Stand and Fight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
65. Nevada. n/t |
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ClintCooper2003 (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
80. Precisely. |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 10:09 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. I would just like to see his evidence illustrating his claim. |
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reality_bites (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 10:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
33. jamboi has been driving this story... |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 10:44 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. just like Arnebeck's claim, there is no proof, but it just is true |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #34 |
50. There is proof because there are punchcard ballots |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #33 |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:02 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. never mind |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I wasn't posting to you, read who I replied to |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. whoops |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
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kk897 (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
72. I was at the first Columbus hearing |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. Here's the Key |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 05:51 PM Response to Reply #81 |
95. If they switched votes in punch card counties like Warren, Clermont |
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ClintCooper2003 (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:25 AM Response to Original message |
16. kick |
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Bill of Rights (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
17. He got it from Dr Phillips study |
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Bill of Rights (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:39 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Here is the link to Phillips study on Warren County |
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bj2110 (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 09:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
29. I think Dr. Phillips may be missing something: |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 05:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
90. I've pointed this out to him. |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 08:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
97. i think in Warren, Butler and Clermont, new precincts arose further out |
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thanatonautos (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 04:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. I read his explanations a couple of times, and don't really understand ... |
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truehawk (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 05:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Go look at this thread for one arguement in Franklin County |
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thanatonautos (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 06:29 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Thanks ... I'll take a look at this later today. |
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genieroze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:08 AM Response to Reply #22 |
44. You got it...Bingo. eom |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 12:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
61. The beauty of the law is that lawyers can compell discovery |
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thanatonautos (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 06:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
98. Yes ... you're right. That's the whole point, I suppose. |
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SaveAmerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #17 |
47. where are butler, warren, and clermont counties? |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. Butler, Warren and Clermont ring Hamilton County (Cincinnati) |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 04:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
86. Also Warren kept the polls open late due to long lines (so they said) |
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truehawk (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 06:15 AM Response to Original message |
26. Also look at the Ballot shuffle thread |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
30. If the votes were switched in Butler, Warren and Clermont the jig is up |
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ramblin_dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #30 |
38. If someone did rig the punch card counting, then |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. They've already had over a month to do it too. |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:27 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Wasn't there a story about |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I don't know... |
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Stand and Fight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
67. No |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:51 AM Response to Reply #38 |
53. i believe that all ballots are numbered, that each precinct has a block |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. serial numbers on ballots (required in some jurisdictions) |
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electropop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 12:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Serial numbers are torn off before machine counting? |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 12:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I don't know, I'm trying to find out. Any punchcard precinct workers know? |
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bunny planet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. oh well, then that's out, R never forge anything. |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 04:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
85. To replace the Kerry votes they stole to put in the Bush column, they |
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trudyco (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
82. What about absentee and provisional? |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 04:54 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. According to DU member lizzieforkerry who did give Arnebeck a sworn |
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tex-wyo-dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
35. Musing... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
43. They did in red states too! |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
48. He's got it half right, and someone should tell him the rest |
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Kellis (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:34 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. you know-honest to God |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 03:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
84. Eloriel and Kellis... |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Let's not forget |
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Quakerfriend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. One more thing about Arnebeck |
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Stand and Fight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:42 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. Yep. |
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bunny planet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
68. This makes so much sense. I've always suspected this is how they |
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bunny planet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
70. Warren is the phony FBI 'lockdown' unobserved county too isn't it? |
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Stand and Fight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Yep, that's the place alright. |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 05:07 PM Response to Reply #70 |
89. Punchcard ballots form Dayton Legal Blank, Triad Systems for tabulation |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 05:47 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. More on Triad Governmental Systems Inc. (Warren County) |
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ClintCooper2003 (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 05:50 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Make this a main post, please! n/t |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
75. I knew it! Too many Republicans saying they couldn't stand Bush |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
76. Check out this interview just posted by Danish Reporter: |
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Chimpanzee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
78. Has the vote been contested yet? |
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ClevelandSportsCurse (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
83. Those three contain some Cincy suburbs.... |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
91. This is exactly why.... |
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KerryReallyWon (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
101. this is great!! |
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