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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:47 PM
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Cobb's vote totals changed on Ohio's official election site! (Fraud?)
Somebody posted about this earlier on DU, but I thought it could use its own thread. Apparently on election night, the Ohio Sec. of State's website had Cobb winning over 40,000 votes. Later on, almost all of his votes were mysteriously erased! Somebody should investigate these conflicting vote totals--it may be tied to the fraud in Ohio!

http://www.oliverwillis.com/node/view/1152

http://election.sos.state.oh.us/results/RaceDetail.aspx?race=PP
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:59 PM
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1. Look, I have my doubts but...
I have this link on my files but I have to ask 2 questions:

Was it a real snap shot of election night in OHIO? If that's the case this is a very heavy piece of evidence.

If is not real, who had the time to play games like this and for what reason?

* I saw this information myself on election night.
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:02 PM
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2. The blog is dated from election night..Could we get in contact
with the guy who posted? Anybody know his email?
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:03 PM
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3. I don't doubt they are real.
I do doubt whether they are fraud indicators though.

See my post here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=131852&mesg_id=131852

The upshot is that in 2000 the SoS provided web totals by BOE's phoning totals into the SoS office, thus this could have been a simple data entry error for these counties.

However, there is also information showing 9 or 10 counties (depending whether you believe the list or the map) were offering dynamically updated information. And I don't think any of those counties were the two that had suspicious screenshots.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:09 PM
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5. OK, I see your point, however...
They do indicate a high level of unreliability, right?

If this type of "human error" is repeated nationwide and NOBODY takes proper measures to correct the data, that would explain most of "Bush's amazing totals."
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:44 AM
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7. I think this may be less insidious than that.
If most of the counties in Ohio were phoning in their data, it could have been transposed as it was entered into the website. Then, as new numbers came in from the counties it was corrected.

Originally, I had imagined the SoS website being tied in directly to all the central tabulators across the state. More and more I'm seeing that was unlikely the case. That doesn't mean that there couldn't have been access to central tabulators in another way (ie, central tabulators being otherwise networked as BBV claims in Valushia county Florida or potential vulnerabilities as modems were used to transmit data from remote precincts to central tabulators in various counties across the country). There has also been an allegation or two that the AP election reporting was tied into the central tabulators. If that was the case then that is a major potential security void. And finally, I wouldn't mind knowing how many counties across the country were "Live Updates" like the 9 or 10 counties in Ohio. I'd also like to know how that was done. Were those entered into the website directly in the counties? Or was the website tied into the tabulators?

We have alot of theories but no one has quite pinned down this remote access issue enough for my taste yet.

Of course, remote access isn't necessary if you bug the program to favor your candidate. Although the hand recount in NH discounted that possibility at least there.

To your point though, I think the data on the website represent unofficial results. I believe it says as much. Those kinds of errors are bound to happen when people are trying to enter as much data as election night produces as quickly as possible. I think we've seen the data corrected because David Cobb did not get 40,000+ votes in Ohio. However, I do wish that there was more transparency to the process such that someone would explain how this all works to dispell or confirm some of the speculation.
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:09 PM
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4. I say it should be investigated
To see what the "official" cause for the discrepancy was
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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:11 PM
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6. Right...what is the official story?
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:45 AM
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8. I don't think there is an official story. n/t
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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:00 PM
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9. There would be if someone asked for one/eom
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:50 PM
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10. Unlikely at this point...
Its mainly dismissal that we hear, not explanation. I could have solid evidence with photos of Karl Rove himself hacking the machines and it would be dismissed as "conspiracy theory" and "sore loser" stuff.
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