Catholic leaders think Bush is the "Antichrist". Now, he MUST go

You see, another reason to overturn the election!

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880

that they took this long at all, hello Pope, it is about time.

You told us Catholics to vote for the village idiot. Why didn't you leaders say something before the election? Guess you didn't get the faith based money you were promised.

The American bishops were the stupid ones!

The Pope is totally against Bush.

Shrub need A bath:nopity:

I read this article way before the election and then when everyone started talking about Madsen I knew I had read something of his that wasn't what everyone else was citing- Thank you. That was really getting on my nerves. Anyway about your post. I do believe he is the AntiChrist.

First, the anti-Christ is more well-liked WORLDWIDE. And we all know that the only people who like Bush are 50 percent of Americans - very few in other countries.

I think Bush is the first horseman of the apocolypse. He is heralding the coming of the anti-Christ - IF we don't stop it.

Will take off my :tinfoilhat: now...

Been saying this for months-and not jokingly, either.

We live in frightening times.

Seriously.

One of my local priests and I had a conversation abou Bush a while ago and it wasn't the happiest moment of my life, I tell you that much!

My wife and I were talking about this the other day and decided that Bushlebub will not be happy until Armageddon. We even went so far as to say that if the nukes start flying, we wanted to stand at ground zero because we didn't want to see what was left of the world when Damien got done with it.

I wonder where the 666 mark is?

the same thing for a while now. How about how he lies and so many believe -isn't the antichrist supposed to be the great deciever?

How convenient. Moron helps bring on Armageddon, then runs for shelter somewhere where he can play Mad Max for real.

How could a movie bring about Armageddon, but many of the millions of people who saw the movie thought it was more than a movie and a phenomenon.

My understanding is that there is supposed to be a period of three and a half years of world wide peace. I am not sure what the Biblical passage is in Revelations, but, it is there.

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in Bush's torte reform so they went against the Vatican- IMHO. They are going bankrupt under all of the lawsuits so I think Bush promised them he would end it if they backed him- our Diocese took a hard right! Don't be suprised if the get a cap on payouts.

Promises of tort reform woed the "holy" men with rings. I couldn't for the life of me figure it out, I have just been incensed about it since they all allowed their letter distorting the vatican's position be read which basically said the weed is pro-life so he is good, Kerry is evil, he is not pro-life and he likes gay rights.

Just as the Masden article cleared your cobwebs, so too has your post cleared mine! :think:

My bishop is a lawyer of all things! Wait till I get my letter done, new perspective, new language.

And it only now that I notice it's by Wayne Madsen. Note that Bush is Protestant and Kerry is Catholic.

criticizing Kerry...guess they are part of the evil too.

very progressive. YOur're painting them with a wide, wide brush.

got blindsided by their conservative bishops - in much the same way the progressive American public has gotten blindsided by this administration. The problem with progressives, generally, I think, is that we can't believe the bastards are THAT bad. And that state of disbelief always gives THE MACHINE -- political or religious - a huge head start.

and it's representatives aren't supposed to endorse any one candidate over another. They can only address issues.

GOD?

What gives them that right?

Did they gave $$$, too? Cuz if they gave any to the repukes...they'll never see another dime of mine (I'm Catholic)!!!

They know that the Pope will not punish them publicly, so they ran away with their skewed opinions.

standing in judgment of others. I thought only God could judge the heart of man. I thought Jesus taught forgiveness and compassion. My Jesus didn't come here to condemn. What happened to judge not least ye be judged...that's a moral value, right?

PS the spelling of that Pharisee word gets me everytime. I don't think it's right, but the spell checker didn't say otherwise? Anyway, you know what I mean.

endorsement. Don't you remember the "Kerry shouldn't be able to receive Holy Communion because he's pro-choice priests?" I sure as hell do.

wasn't it rebutted by the Vatican?

Whoever it was, stated that to vote for Kerry because of his acceptance of the implications of the separation of Church and State with regard to the acceptance of abortion, would be guilty in the eyes of God, but if they voted for John Kerry on his overall position (indicating doubtless the pre-eminent need to protect those who have left the womb, instead of marginalising them and foreshortening their lives), would be acting in perfect accord with the tenets of the Catholic Church.

But was it really all or a large majority of the American bishops who effectively repudiated voting for Kerry as a Christian option; or was it a vocal few, whose distorted views were widely publicised?

Is it for real???

The meaning of Anti-Christ is this
Christ is a title that means the Saviour of mankind, so the word Anti means the opposite of that which would be the destroyer of mankind.
And bush is on the way to that goal.

how to make the prophesy of his downfall fit being caught for vote fraud.

Surely Nostradamus saw it?

The third Antichrist

In order to achieve the tremendous impact the first two antichrists had (if we accept that they where Hitler and Napoleon), a number of circumstances had to be accomplished.

Firstly the antichrists represented world powers and were able to motivate and inspire large number of followers.

Both Hitler and Napoleon were leaders of the most powerful nations at their time. They had the will and the means to achieve their goals no matter the cost and the consequences. They were able to sell their ideas to their followers and convince whole nations to participate in their plans.


The political and economic circumstances needed firm and resolute actions. The antichrists brought hope and strength. It was the objection by other nations that finally set off the slaughter between mankind. The cost and the consequences were large-scale death, destruction and suffering for France, Europe and the world in general.

It seems logical that the third antichrist will fit in, in that same way. He must be the leader of a most powerful nation at a certain moment in time. A man with the will and means to achieve his goals no matter the consequences. This leader will be loved by its own people and will lead them to believe that they deserve more and better. Under his leadership his own country will flourish and expand.

Hitler the second anti-christIn the first stages, this antichrist will point out external enemies to give strength to his strategies. He will strive for a strong military and a stronger control on his own people, their opinions and actions.

The antichrist and his close followers have the uncanny ability to convince people of the right of their actions and their methods. Under other circumstances these methods would be unnecessary, unacceptable, wrong or illegal.

In order to expand his power, established international agreements get canceled or changed. Rules that apply to all countries and people will not be allowed to apply to him or his people.

The antichrist will follow a strategy of expansion: nations will be manipulated, countries invaded and control of natural resources reallocated in order to improve the quality of life of his own people and to ensure their safety.

The consequences of the growth and success of this one nation will negatively affect other countries. Initially the politics followed, will cause unrest, discussion, frustration, doubts, unbelief etcetera but no actions.

The stronger and more influential the nation of the antichrist is, the longer it takes for other countries to take defensive measurements. When countries finally stand up and join together against this power it will be the beginning of large-scale destruction.

That criterior, I don't think he is. He isn't smart enough, and not charismatic enough.

You also give him too much power calling him an antichrist. He is just a deranged sociopath, who has others of his ilk surrounding him, and in charge of our government.

* is his puppet.

... but Bush isn't nearly as stupid as many here think he is.

The yee-haw hillbilly persona is as fake as the 'compassionate conservative' side of him is; he's one evil, calculating SOB.

While 'book learnin' may not be his strong suit, I wouldn't underestimate his ability to manipulate people and project a sellable image for a minute. He's the quintessential used-car salesman.


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You've obviously thought about it... There are animals in nature that are very adept at presenting themselves as somehow defenseless so as to lure in their enemies and then crush them. People thinking Bush is some utter moron are privy to his grandest design -- what better way to have people not take you seriously than them to think you an imbecile or mad? And then when their defenses are totally down -- see the Patriot Act -- you strike like a snake without a warning. The Bush has great charisma. As much as people here hate to admit it, he does. For instance during the last couple of months, as much as I dislike the bastard, watching him for a minutes.... Well, I can see why people do like him; however, unlike those who do like him, I am ever mindful of his lies and chicanery. Therefore, I am not gilded by the way he wishes the world to see him. But trust me his comment "they misunderestimate me" was a tactical success, because it is apparent here especially that people continue to do it. This is evident in the fact that he will be inaugurated once more on Thursday, January 20, 2005. So, you guys keep on "misunderestimating" him rather than fighting him, and in the ends he's going to triumph. You have to fight fire with fire -- he's underestimated us. Now we have to strike back without a warning. Wait until 01/20/2005 and it will be too late.

Nero and Hitler.
Napoleon was far from being an AntiChrist. Study. Don't allow what you've read in a few books to color your thinking. Read MANY books to truly understand the subject matter.

"This leader will be loved by its own people and will lead them to believe that they deserve more and better. Under his leadership his own country will flourish and expand."

more on Blood Cult:


http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04222003.html


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5929.htm


http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/blood_cult/

Might find it if you google Bush and anti-christ

I have said this in jest before (not being particularly religious), but I have some very strong Christian friends who are convinced. I guess I need to dig out my Revelations and do a little more research.

Check out this freeper site

http://www.bushislord.com/

On edit I don't know if these people are serious or if this is a satire site. Get your very own WWDD What Would Dubya Do bumper sticker here.

Those people are wacko. I really think they are all deceived by the great deceiver. Yuck! Scary they are. Make the scary Republican go away.

It's SATIRE!!!
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It is satire.
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need I say anymore???

churches that supported him!!!

What a great story, now the media will be attacking the Catholic religion. Christen blood, how he has that right.

Beneath the surface, the Vatican has motive to support the Dominionists, because they will return absolute global power to the churches over social issues.

In fact, the miraculous crushing of the heads of every major crime family in the Italian American mafia seems too good to be true to have occurred at the exact period of time that the Dominionists became discernible in their takeover of American politics.

Also, do not forget that one of John Ashcroft's last official actions as Attorney General was to order that the death penalty be sought for alleged Bonanno crime family head, Joseph Massino, who allegedly had Gerlando Sciascia, a Sicilian mobster, whacked. http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/12/massino.deathpenalty.ap

Who can deny the impact of this message on the Italian American mafia, and the patronage it pays to the Sicilian mafia in Italy that reputedly controls the Vatican.

The death of the most vital organizational strength of the Italian American mafia surely bodes well for the Religious Right's Neocon mafia, and is truly a slap in the face of the remaining Italian American mafioso that rolled over for them to obtain their power and influence over politics and the media.

Is that all these whackjobs who think B* is the second coming just love the "left behind" book series. I haven't read them all but I read a couple to see what my family was reading and they are ANTI-Dominionist! They're practically a warning manual AGAINST everything that they're doing and yet they don't see the contradiction!? I know, it's fiction; personally I'm from the school of thought that it matters not if Biblical Armageddon is upon us BUT that if enough people start behaving as if it is we'll still be in a world of hurt.

At least a name I know
Welcome
SO Who's gonna perform the Exorcism on Warrior of God??

read some objective church history concerning the canonization of the Bible and the persecution of fellow Christians by the Roman Church.

Dark political forces have allways tried to smother Truth. The only way to fight it is hand to hand combat.

Honor the Light and share it with others.

Peace,
Paula

even if it is recent, it is still great.

people to think we are all a bunch of nuts. This crap does nothing but hurt the cause. Sometimes I believe Madsen does more harm than good

I guess having billions of people tortured in hell fire is preferable to one aborted fetus, huh? At least in their sexist twisted eyes.

I've thought for a long time he was at least possessed. I look in his eyes often and what I see looking back at me isn't completely human.

I'm serious.

But in my Christianity, there is no end of time. The Kingdom of Heaven is ever present. But there can be a 'spirit of antichrist' that actively seeks to subvert the power of the Kingdom of Heaven as it calls out to us, and when that spirit inhabits a leader of Bush's level of power we're in serious trouble.

Pick and choose what is literal and what is metaphor. We even pick which version of the bible we to choose to misinterpret.

You can manufacture any conclusion you want. A better question is why our society is so obsessed with the idea we are the last generation.

assholes, why don't you check out the voting guide put out by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/bishopStatement.html

With the exception of their creepy positions on abortion and gay rights, the Catholic Bishops are to the left of the Democratic party on most other issues, and the majority of the Bishops neither endorsed Shrub nor rejoiced at the result of November 2.

by Kerry's plan to generate maximum practicable employment (consonant with Catholic social doctrine) will be astonishing; because when people are employed and adequately remunerated, not only will their health, both physical and mental, be strengthened (http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=10&ItemID=4647), but the crime-rate will also undoubtedly fall, there will be more people earning sufficient to pay taxes, and the taxes will surely be spent for the public good.

That is the biggest laugh I've had in weeks! ;-)

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