A theory: Maybe Kerry is less concerned about winning

this election than he is about bringing these criminals down. And, if so, I would suggest that it might better for us in the long term. Of course, the short term sucks for us - but realistically, "winning" now wouldn't be much better, IMHO (OK, a little better, just on the Supreme Court and regulatory agency appointments). But overturning the Ohio (or Florida) certification would be nothing but a guarantee of four years of hell - with the criminals still out there to make his every waking moment a nightmare of unrelenting attack. And in four years, the criminals would be free to do it all over again. Bring them down, and they - well, they won't be gone, but they'd have to go dormant for a while (like the fungus spores they are) - giving those of us who oppose them time to regroup.

Again, this is just a theory, I have no idea if it's really Kerry's "strategy." But if so, I can see some advantages (again) long term.

"Revenge is a dish best served cold"

I think Kerry caved, folded, ran away, did not fight.
Time will tell.
Sadly, I am quite sure that having not lifted a finger to help us
he expects to be the candidate again in 2008. Boooooooo

Why waste my time?

Maybe the non-voting adult population figured that out a long time ago and just want to survive in this joke of a system?

I just want to survive too.

stay focused.. if bush get in office we will regroup... but we should ALL be thinking and planning protests... plan on DC in January .. especially 3rd-6th ..

yeah, I'd say the deck's stacked against Kerry in a BIG way.
The long term view is always best.

He didn't just get a couple of indictments, he brought the whole thing down. Sure, they reconstituted themselves, eventually, but it took them YEARS to do it.

what will the world look like in a few years from now? Scares me.

With * and Republicans in control of every branch of government and with the press in their pocket, it is difficult to imagine any scenario even if fraud is proven that * will not serve at least some of his second term. They will cling to power at all costs. That said- Kerry has shown no signs that he will slink into obscurity. He has traveled to Iowa and NH, he is planning to submit a bill to congress to give every child in the country insurance, and the AP reports that he will be going to Iraq of all places in January. Unlike Gore, Kerry, by remaining a Senator, will have a platform go after Bush. I think the * administration and Republican congress are risking self-destruction. If the truth about 9-11, Iraq, and the 2000/2004 elections ever could gain traction in the minds of most Americans, Bush and a number of Republicans will crumble. If solid evidence emerges that Kerry actually won the 2004 election, Kerry will be the one Democrat to most benefit. Kerry will fight them, but only on a battlefield of his choosing.

Let Bush have the next 4 years and deal with the cataclysm in the middle east, al Qaida's threats becoming reality, and Bush becoming a bigger laughing stock than he is now - and so much more.

One of the mollifying aspects of Kerry "losing" is that he won't have to face or be swallowed
up by the world of shit that Bush and his insane braintrust have created.

Kerry's great strength has always been as an investigator; he pushed forward with the Iran-Contra issue when others would not and so was singularly responsible for the bringing out truths that would forever tarnish the legacy of President Reagan in the eyes of many. The senate is a great place from which to carry out an investigation, but with a hostile president, willing and capable of exerting pressure on the FBI and the other investigative arms of the Executive to cover up his misdeed, it may well no longer be good enough.

The real place from which to hold an investigation in the white house; the FBI could be cleaned out and made trustworthy again, as could FERC, the SEC, and the many other investigative and regulative bodies. The Department of Justice could be tasked with uncovering and prosecuting every last misdeed of these people.

From the outside, we can reveal some shreds of truth, and publicly shame these people, but as long as they hold the reigns of power, they can always forgive themselves and move on. If Kerry he can root out every crime and send them all to prison for years.

That said, there is a possibility that, if we get someone like Kerry into office in 2008, we could successfully prosecute these people then. The Judicial system might look a little less favorably on the truth by then, though.

think of how long the Republican party was distrusted in the public's eyes after Nixon. Yes, they might forgive themselves, and the judges could give them a pass... but if nobody votes for them for several years, they lose the strangle hold. THEN we've got a chance to make long-term structural changes to counter the long-term structural changes they've made, and are continuing to make. No, it won't be easy, but I'm beginning to suspect it's the best we're gonna get. So to paraphrase Rummy - ya gotta work with what you've got. If this is all we've got, let's make it count.

That's the way I look at it. If the way elections are rigged can be found in Ohio...it will mean other states will have to be investigated. All that will take a long time. Then a connection must be made to the 2000 Selection. If this one was stolen then we must go back and the REAL President will have to be installed. Al Gore...:shrug: Maybe that's what Kerry knows.