Anyone else tired of people "reading into " K/E comments

and telling us what they "really meant"? At this point, I think it is safe to take them at their word. Edwards has been speaking about "losing the election. He has said he would "fight " but people keep convoluting that into an election protest. I think he is just saying he will continue the fight for our issues. The same problem exists with Kerry. He has never given a scintilla of cause to believe that he will contest the election results, yet everyone jumps up and down screaming, if he says anything they can remotely connect with the election. I want some "solid evidence" before I believe that their concession wasn't genuine. I want to be wrong. I really do. I will hang on to hope through January 20th , but please stop parsing every word for meaning it doesn't contain. Neither Kerry or Edwards have said "anything " to lead anyone to believe they are 'contesting" this election or have a "secret " plan. They are not sending "special codes " for what they are doing! This is juvenile and they are not that stupid. If you could figure out the "code" so could the opposition. I hope we can just wait this out without the endless baseless speculation!

No K/E plan for Iraq? No plan for the economy? SS? Health Care? Energy?

I saw K/E plans for all those. That's one reason I voted for them, as I liked most of their plans, and am disenchanted with the plans the Bush administration has put in action.

But the MSM says K/E has no plan, and too much of the US public seems to blindly parrot the idea.

Guess I'm still stewing over the election itself, and imprinted my own thoughts onto your statement. Sorry 'bout that.

I suppose it's an enjoyable pastime for some, but it seems pointless to try and read between the lines of each and every statement.

clearly soon.

I am getting tired of people interpreting every move that Kerry makes as a bid for 2008. Maybe, just maybe, he is keeping his promise that he made to us. He is fighting to make sure every vote is counted, he is fighting to support our troops, and he is fighting to hold this administration accountable for the evil they have wreaked here and around the world.

regarding 2008 and Kerry has not denied interest in 2008. Maybe this IS how he sees fufilling his promise to us.

into everything he says or does. Whether or not anyone agrees with the choices Senator Kerry has made with regards to this election, he is a strong voice for the issues that we care about. The media will attempt to spin everything he does as an attempt for a 2008 bid.

The same wise fellow that gave such sage advice during the election?
Just wondering! :shrug:

And I think that old sage from the election needs to be fired! ;)

sorry, I don't trust any body these days, too many people spinning statements to support their positions.

Oh, and by the way, when you running for office?

If anyone has it please post it! :-) Thanks!

Don't make the statements your own and profess them as facts unless you can provide links to the statements.

Also, the dating of the statements are necessary relative to the context of the statement and the existence of the facts as know today regarding election fraud.

And, by the way, when you running for an office, any office? Let me know, I will gladly donate to your efforts. Someone as knowledgeable as you would be an asset in any office that you chose to seek. As we all know campaigning is easy and so black and white.

It is also common knowledge in that many people knew about it! And I am thinking of running for office. I have been asked to consider it by the Party. And the problem with most candidates is that they are not black and white enough! And I have been campaign manager for three campaigns.

campaign. But, being a stickler for thinking that things are only "black and white", you should recognize that facts are vital and the truth essential, so I again request a link. Common knowledge of folks here doesn't cut it. You are just repeating a rumor and may not be repeating the rumor correctly. You are playing the whisper game.

I want the quote, the statement, the language used and the date of the statement. You should be able to back up your facts with links, that will be necessary in the future.

Good luck with your campaign.

The "buzz" over a possible Kerry 2008 bid is being fueled this morning by brother Cam, who told The Boston Globe that the senator may run again. "He's in a position of national leadership," Cameron Kerry told the Globe. "He's going to exercise that role and be a voice for the 55 million people who voted for him. The position he's in gives him a bully pulpit." Kerry will be 64 in 2008; his Senate term also expires that year.

Kerry plans `thank you' trip to visit supporters in N.H.
By Andrew Miga
Wednesday, December 1, 2004
Boston Herald WASHINGTON - Defeated Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John F. Kerry plans to visit New Hampshire this weekend to thank supporters - a visit that could stoke speculation about his 2008 plans.

However, Kerry (D-Mass.) aides yesterday downplayed the Saturday trip to Manchester, N.H., saying it was solely an opportunity for the Bay State senator to meet privately with volunteers who worked hard on his unsuccessful 2004 White House bid.

``It's doing the work of thanking people,'' said Kerry spokesman David Wade. ``It's the kind of thing that too many politicians forget to do.'' The press will not be invited, Wade said.

Kerry aides insisted the senator was not seeking to fuel speculation about his political future with the visit to the Granite State, which hosts the nation's first primary.

``It's got nothing to do with 2008,'' Wade said.

Kerry has expressed his hope to remain a major voice in the Democratic Party. Some supporters, including his brother Cam, have said it is possible he could run again for president in 2008. While Kerry has not ruled out such a run, most political analysts consider a Kerry 2008 presidential candidacy highly unlikely.

your skills and that you limit your words to the facts, especially if you are going to run for office. If you advised your candidates to twist the facts as you have done, I would think things have been difficult for the campaign.

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Cnn Inside Politics Nov. 9th 2004
The "buzz" over a possible Kerry 2008 bid is being fueled this morning by brother Cam, who told The Boston Globe that the senator may run again.

Boston Herald
December 1, 2004
Kerry has expressed his hope to remain a major voice in the Democratic Party. Some supporters, including his brother Cam, have said it is possible he could run again for president in 2008. While Kerry has not ruled out such a run, most political analysts consider a Kerry 2008 presidential candidacy highly unlikely.
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A brother stating possibilities and what "may" occur are simply statements of the brother and may be wishful thinking on his part. They are not Kerry's statement, he has not said he will run.

Remember - - folks want things in black and white/not shades of truth, tell the truth. Honesty above spin. Don't spin for your own satisfaction and to make your statements seem stronger and wiser.

I would put Senator Kerry's record of public service to this nation up against yours any day and I would say his successful campaigning is something you should aspire to replicate. You should hope that you can be the candidate and the officer holder and the soldier that is the man, Senator Kerry. If you haven't seen the video "Going Upriver" I suggest you watch the free download at the site below. You should hope and pray that you can be a leader like John Kerry.
http://www.kerrysupport.com/upriver/index.html

There is a Boston Globe article is which Cam gave a statement to the effect of JK running. This isn't a whisper campaign! You act as though I am against Kerry or something. I have been one of his biggest supporters. I certainly appreciate his service. And I didn't say I was running for office, I said I had been asked. There is a difference. I also believe that things should be in black and white. I didn't "spin " anything. Cam Kerry did say that his brother was interested in a 2008 run. I have been giving away free copies of" Going Up River" for months.
Why you place me in competition with Kerry, and are so defensive of a man I already support is beyond me.
Cam Kerry was an integeral part of the campaign. I would doubt he was engaing in mere "wishful thinking". JMHO. And I have no interest "spinning "to appear "stronger or wiser".

then is there?

A favorite movie quote of mine is "Assumption is the mother of all fuckups".

purpose other than to give Kerry some wiggle room with those who are dissatisfied with his early surrender.

Until Chimp started talking about that anti-slavery case in the debate and everybody was like HUH? and then people uncovered that it was sort of a code for repealing Roe vs. Wade. (What case am I talking about here, someone help me out please, I am having a synapse lapse?)

Anyhoo-- I for one thought that was pretty convincing, and since then I've been a lot more aware of the finer nuances of what people say.

I do believe that the concession was genuine, FWIW, but I think they've both been verrrry careful with their language in their public statements since the election, and I think they're paying a LOT of attention to this whole mess. I'm not entirely sure that they have a "secret plan" but I think they know what's going on.

Folks always allow themselves wiggle room in politics.

and not on the basis of the information that is out there today. He did not have complete information and he did not have good information.

If he's had second thoughts since then it hasn't been enough to make him
"unconcede" - but anything short of total proof would make him look like a complete fool.

Everything he said during the election was attacked so he isn't going to put anything out there now that can be used against him. It would be nice to hear more from him, but nothing he says is private, so there isn't much space for him to do that. We just have to be patient and see what happens when the last votes are counted.

If the election was stolen, it was stolen from the American people, not from John Kerry. If it can be proved that the election was stolen and that John Kerry was elected, we should all be absolutely delighted.

candidates mouths in order to support their own position that the election be contested. I think the election should be contested, but I have no basis to believe that is what Sen ators Kerry and Edwards believe!:)

i don't think so. i think it keeps people waiting for something to happen. as long as we wait for our shining knight we won't do anything for ourselves.

its hard .. but it worth trying... other leaders have told us to mobilze and hit the streets... if K/E really dont want to fight, we shall see, but WE want to fight, the fraud was rampant and the election was stolen.. focus on that... for better or worse they chose NOT to be our leaders against this fraud... and perhaps they are right, think about if they are inagurated, if they led the overturned election effort it would be a coup. I can understand that, its up to us.. FOCUS FIGHT PROTEST!

was not encoded. This battle is up to us, and we are the only ones that can win it.

I understand how people try to read into Kerry's statements when he either says too little or what he says seems to contradict his previous statements. The bottom line is that he's trying to communicate with his base with all of the Righties listening so he has to throw them LOTS of bones.

He IS contesting the election but doing it in a sly manner. Patience! He'll be president in early 2005.

I got called a troll for this. But I started with Kerry's senate office, and they sent me elsewhere, ended up at the DNC about 6 different times. The original point of my call was to ask if the Kerry people realized that because they weren't asking for the recount, the Ohio court declined to expedite the recount, and to ask why they (Kerry people, DNC) demonstrating such lethargy.

The answer I got from the person on the phone at the DNC was that they did not see evidence of fraud. I argued for a long time.

They just give up too quickly, and don't hang in to see the debunking debunked.

I don't think anybody in the DNC or Kerry's office really sees what went on, or is going on, or the patterns, or gets it at all.

I wanted someone to go with me to the DNC to insist that they take a harder look, and present some of the brilliant analysis done by DUers. BUt I was called a troll. Maybe because I was overwrought, but I was really upset at the time.

call for volunteers. I don't live in DC so I can't help. Just say, I am going to go visit such-and-such an office on such-and-such a day, please help me make my case and also who wants to go with me.

I don't think you're a troll, FWIW.

HTH.... :D

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