NY Times implies that this election result cannot be trusted

In Wednesday's editorial they wrote:

"Some states bought Diebold electronic voting machines that do not produce a voter-verifiable paper trail and cannot be trusted."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/08/opinion/08wed3.html

Can't say it any plainer.

and over a MONTH too late. Oh well maybe next time.

and find me a bigger newspaper that says the same thing.

Very good editorials. They've really taken a stand on the issue. I'll try to find you the archives.

*edit* Check it out:

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/making-votes-count.html?pagewanted=all

In this presidential election year, the Times's editorial page is examining the flaws in the mechanics of our democracy, including the reliability of electronic voting machines, obstacles to voter registration and turnout, and the lack of competitive congressional elections due to partisan drawing of district lines. The project is being led by editorial writer Adam Cohen, who will be traveling throughout the country to research these issues. The following is an archive of editorials from the series:

New York's Electoral Mess
Gov. George Pataki and the State Legislature have prepared the way for a logistical disaster when New York votes in 2006. (Dec. 08, 2004)

Improving Provisional Ballots
One of the brightest spots in this year's election was the nationwide debut of the provisional ballot. (Nov. 21, 2004)

About Those Election Results
Until our election system is improved - with better mechanics and greater transparency - we cannot expect voters to have full confidence in the announced results. (Nov. 14, 2004)

New Standards for Elections
By ADAM COHEN
It's patently obvious that presidential elections should be conducted under uniform rules. (Nov. 7, 2004)

Lessons of the Ballot Box
By ADAM COHEN
In Ohio, and around the country, this year's election exhibited flaws that will continue to detract from our democracy until they are addressed. (Nov. 4, 2004)

Where the Action's at for Poll Watchers: Ohio as the New Florida
By ADAM COHEN
It's hard to avoid the conclusion that at least some election officials are intentionally trying to stop eligible people from voting. (Oct. 31, 2004)

The Return of the 'Butterfly Ballot'
Americans have enough to do in deciding on their votes without having to puzzle over how to get their choices to count. (Oct. 29, 2004)

The Three-Hour Poll Tax
National standards should be developed to rectify the problem of long lines at the polls that discourage voters from participating. (Oct. 27, 2004)

Election Day Misdeeds
The election challengers that the Republican Party is placing at the polls next week have as much potential to disrupt the voting as they do to prevent fraud. (Oct. 26, 2004)

What Congress Should Do
When the dust settles from this year's election, Congress should begin drafting a new, comprehensive election reform law. (Oct. 24, 2004)

The Poll Tax, Updated
The suppression of minority votes has continued because it is perceived as a winning tactic, and because it is rarely punished. (Oct. 7, 2004)

Playing With the Election Rules
The secretaries of state in Ohio and Colorado are interpreting election laws in ways that threaten to disenfranchise voters. (Sept. 30, 2004)

Barriers to Student Voting
Elections officials and institutions of higher education must do more to remove the barriers between young people and the ballot box. (Sept. 28, 2004)

They Said It Couldn't Be Done
Nevada's success using electronic voting machines that produce paper records has proven the naysayers of the technology wrong. (Sept. 18, 2004)

The Return of Katherine Harris
Florida’s top elections officer, Glenda Hood, is creating the impression that she is manipulating the rules to help re-elect her boss's brother. (Sept. 16, 2004)

On the Voting Machine Makers' Tab
As doubts have grown about the reliability of electronic voting, some of its loudest defenders have been state and local election officials with financial ties to voting machine companies. (Sept. 12, 2004)

Voter ID Problems in Florida
Misapplied voter-identication rules should not prevent people from casting their ballots, as appearently happened in Florida last week. (Sept. 7, 2004)

Denying the Troops a Secret Ballot
The plan allowing members of the military to vote this year by fax or e-mail has far too many problems, starting with the contractor running it, for it to be reliable. (Sept. 3, 2004)

The Pentagon's Troubling Role
Allowing military voters to send in ballots by e-mail through the Pentagon, as some states are proposing, is far too open to hacking to go forward. (Aug. 31, 2004)

Abolish the Electoral College
The Electoral College thwarts the will of the majority, distorts presidential campaigning and has the potential to produce a true constitutional crisis. (Aug. 29, 2004)

The New Hanging Chads
To keep glitches from stopping eligible voters from voting, state and local elections officials must improve their handling of provisional ballots. (Aug. 19, 2004)

The Shame of New York
New York's dysfunctional, opaque and patronage-ridden structures for running elections need an overhaul. (Aug. 10, 2004)

Insurance for Electronic Votes
With millions of voters set to use electronic voting machines of questionable reliability, the public should insist that protections be put in place right away. (July 23, 2004)

Felons and the Right to Vote
Denying the vote to felons is antidemocratic and undermines the nation's commitment to rehabilitating people who have paid their debt to society. (July 11, 2004)

An Umpire Taking Sides
A major flaw in America's electoral system is that the top election officers are often publicly rooting for the Democratic or Republican side. (July 9, 2004)

EDITORIAL OBSERVER
Indians Face Obstacles Between the Reservation and the Ballot Box
By ADAM COHEN
Mistreatment of Indian voters in South Dakota is a discredit to American democracy that the state government and the Justice Department must address. (June 21, 2004)

Gambling on Voting
If election officials want to convince voters that electronic voting can be trusted, they should be willing to make it at least as secure as slot machines. (June 13, 2004)

The Disability Lobby and Voting
Disability-rights groups are clouding the voting machine debate by suggesting that the nation must choose between accessible voting and verifiable voting. (June 11, 2004)


Who Tests Voting Machines?
(May 30, 2004)

Voting Machines for New York
(May 18, 2004)

Voting Reform Could Backfire
(May 09, 2004)

A Compromised Voting System
(April 24, 2004)

Bad New Days for Voting Right
(April 18, 2004)

The Confusion Over Voter ID
(April 4, 2004)

When the Umpires Take Sides
(March 29, 2004)

Florida as the Next Florida
(March 14, 2004)

The Results Are in and the Winner Is . . . or Maybe Not
(Feb. 29, 2004)

Elections With No Meaning
(Feb. 21, 2004)

How America Doesn't Vote
(Feb. 15, 2004)

Budgeting for Another Florida
(Feb. 8, 2004)

How to Hack an Election
(Jan. 31, 2004)

The Perils of Online Voting
(Jan. 23, 2004)

Fixing Democracy
(Jan. 18, 2004)

about internet "conspiracy theories" being shot down as quickly as they were brought up. I'm pretty sure that we have been talking about electronic voting machines for over a month now, and last I heard from The NY Times, we were a bunch of nut jobs talking about such useless nonsense. Do I sense a change of tone? Maybe this story is starting to pick up.

Get back to studying!

They talk around the issue, but refuse to address the real world examples unless they are far far away, as in the Ukraine.

But it can't happen here, except in local 'unimportant' elections.

Must be licking their chops after seeing how easily the sheeple are taken by electronic voting.

Surely, some CC executive is thinking, if people will vote "On Credit" as it were, with the same type of machines as credit card machines, and they are willing to forego any paper backup, we can convince them to forego a paper backup from their credit cards.

I can see the campaign now:

"The first credit card without all that extra paper work! We just send you the bill, and you agree that we are never wrong. What a deal!"