America is like a drunk on a four-year binge. We need to hit rock bottom

before we can summon the will to remake ourselves.

My fellow radicals, (for anyone who "judgeth not by appearances, but judgeth with right judgement" is a radical these days) at least we can content ourselves with two thoughts--

1. the second term of a Bush administration is going to be the ugliest, most scandle ridden, most corrupt, most wrong-headed second term any president has ever had. Think Ronald Reagan's Iran-Contra times 100. Think worse than Nixon. They too won second terms.

2. we are still right, though we represent (apparently) a minority of voters. We still do not support this administration. We reject everything it stands for--its self-serving motives, its imperialistic foreign policy, its scapegoating of the poor and powerless, its machivellian facade of 'morality' to cover a deep rotten vein of venality. We see it for what it is--and we reject it and denounce it. We fight it with every fiber of our being.

Thoreau writes in "Civil Disobedience," that "those who call themselves (patriots) should at once effectively withdraw their support, both in person and property, from the government, and not wait till they constitute a majority of one, before they suffer the RIGHT to prevail through them . . . Moreover, any man more right than his neighbors, consitutes a majority of one already."

America has chosen to learn a hard lesson the hard way. We couldn't stop it this time, for though we tried mightily, the world is too much with us, late and soon. Goodness doesn't always prevail, despite our best intentions and efforts.

But that doesn't mean that Bush won. Remember, this is the same man who declared "mission accomplished" in Iraq too. He and his administration face the inexorable consequences of what they have set in motion both at home and abroad, and while they may be able spin up dustclouds on the television screen for awhile, the whirlwind they reap will leave none of them standing. Reality will not be denied. "Truth, though it have no tongue, will speak with miraculous organ."

Lincoln said in his Second Inaugural Address that "The Almighty has His own purposes. 'Woe unto the world because of evil; for it must needs be that evil always comes, but woe to that man through whom the evil comes.'"

Bush is that man through whom the evil comes. Let the condemnation be upon his head and his supporters.

We stand for now and forever for Justice and Right, and we will not yield.

But you really boiled it down nicely.

America needs to see a severe curtailment of Civil Liberties and an Economic Depression. This is the ONLY WAY that we can get America to "snap out" of it's apathetic stage.

...another four-year term? Fraudulent elections are forever...and the sooner you come to that realization the better off you're going to be.

I'm waiting for El Chimpo to name himself President for Life sometime over the next four years. Why do you think Jebbie has taken himself out of presidential consideration in 2008?

Say good bye to voting and wars galore. tell the dead about this rock bottom dream of yours. I heard this BS from Nader before. It was used in Vietnam too "destroy the village to save it"
BULLSHIT

nightmare. Please don't misunderstand--there's nothing good about this.

I'm just saying that there are events outside of our control, clearly. Those who thought they won may see the flip side of that coin very soon.

too, spill the blood of the commoners - get rich, party and never account to anyone. Some flip that is! remember they are sociopaths - no regrets for the mess they create.

I was on a Nostradamus site (don't laugh). The man's name was John Hogue and he has been on TV a number of times. Anyway, back in August he predicated that Bush would win. It is because he said the USA has not learned it's lessons from the past (Nixon, Nam, Watergate), etc. And until we learn to turn it around, we will keep repeating those mistakes, maybe even making it worse. He said countries have karma. He also said a perfect example is Germany who went through for generations (WWW1, WWW2, Hitler, Nazis)much the same karma; but apparently, Germany has LEARNED from the past and we still haven't. Maybe why the German people are so against Bush and his followers right now? They can see their past? I read somewhere that the number of people in Germany who are against Bush is around 80% of the population. Apparently, though Bushies won't ever admit this, WORSE EVEN THAN IN FRANCE.

Back in the 70s I knew a couple who fled Nazi Germany in 1939. They were not Jewish. I had many long, long talks with them about what life was like, what happened, etc. So, so many of the EARLY things they experienced, I am sorry to say I can see happening here right now. The false sense of nationalism after a humiliation (WWW1/9/11), the lost of civil liberties in response to that(Reich/Patriot Act), common enemy to unite against (Jews/Muslim/terrorists), PARTY loyalty above all (ONE PARTY controls everything), etc, etc. I could write a paper on this. Now, I am NOT FOR ONE MINUTE suggesting that Bush is Hitler reincarnated, but that the CONDITIONS in Germany that produced him are very similar to the times we are now experiencing to make my case about the Karma similarities between Germany and the USA. It is WHY the German people so blindly followed somebody like Hitler.

I am a New Yorker who watched those towers being built. I remember when they were a great big hole in the ground. And I saw them when they were again a great big hole in the ground. I have to say it just made me sick to my stomach to have my city and my people, ESPECIALLY the 3,000 dead, exploited for George Bush's re-election campaign. I KNOW WHO ATTACKED US. And RUDY? He was just another piece of that campaign. Has the man NO SHAME? Obviously, New York and those states who were personally affected by 9/11 felt the same way. Now, they can spin all of this as much as they want. I am not even a Democrat but a life long Independent. This GOES BEYOND party politics.

Sorry, for the rant. Just had to talk to SOMEBODY. GOD HELP US AND GOD SAVE AMERICA

And welcome to DU.

I hear this election was about terror and morality, well those were ideas to get a majority of people to vote against their own economic interests. I thought that 4 years of Bush would cause Americans to feel a hurt but not enough of us do yet. I don't know how long it will take, but there will come a time when the majority are hurting enough to want a change. I only hope they can get one.

keys away. And now I feel like I am going to die.

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Yup. I heartily agree. Grab your front-row seats.

The groups like Move On and Rock the Vote, are young yet. They will eventually make a big difference. We just need a leader to emerge...and one will. But, until that time, we are all in for a rough ride. If you support Bush, you have no idea how rough it's going to be.

Take this from someone who has some perspective on this... I hope you are just angry and not someone I should hit alert on.

The venemous, vindictive tone "and we're gonna get your little, dog Toto, too" always gives them away.

The total destruction of the working class. By that I mean, Joe BlueCollar Bush Lover needs to be financially fucked. Fucked hard and bad. Then, after his major fucking, his carcass needs to be fucked again for good measure. Working class will include all who need to work to live.

I never thought I would be writing this in my lifetime, but the overturning of Roe v. Wade. Why? The complacency about repoductive rights needs to be slapped in its face.


And of course, the coming draft.

Please forgive me, I have been crying for hours.

The south wind said, "I would gladly trade you the scent of my jasmine for the fragrance of your roses?"
I said nothing.
And the south wind spoke up again, "I would gladly trade you the scent of my jasmine for the fragrance of your roses?"

"No," I answered, "all the flowers in my garden are dead."

"Well then, I'll take the stems and the withered petals."
And I looked at the bare earth and I thought,

"What have you done with the garden that was entrusted to you?"

Antonio Machado

being outsourced (in a highly outsourcable field where it has already begun) who are voting for Bush because he is a X-tian (from hereonin, I am tying an X for Christ, since I do not believe the current crop of X-tians have anything remotely to do with the teachings of Christ.)

What is that thing called again? Cognitive dissonance?

All I know is, I don't want to hear ONE WORD when the outsourcing comes. One is a single mother X-tian fundie.

cried over this.... I remember reading that somewhere years ago, but had forgotten...it's a devastating statement to read right now.

nt

onto NAFTA and the WTO. While Bush is far worse, next time around we may want to think about offering some REAL change.

Two things the Big Dog did I did not support.

He did, however, provide a wonderful economy to ameliorate the negative effects of them.

Now that's gone.

Did I mention the fucking will come without KY?

more years of abandoning the needs of the Average American.
Maybe they will rethink what real Christianity is really
all about. It sure ain't starting wars and enriching the
already wealthy.

having lived through the 60's I know this will be worse. We have no music or rallying cry...we are absent any leaders who will lead us.


We will be a band of folks trying to survive while some of us will go berserk and find their own ways of expression. We will live in fear, we will try to fit in with the Bushies. We will worry our neighbors will report us that our bosses will know who we are because of an "out of bounds" comment here and there.

I can't go through that. Some of us will have to relocate where we can be amongst people somewhat like ourselves who are open minded, thoughtful and caring about our earth and fellow humans dignity and right to free speech.

Without leaders we are nothing. We've muddled along here for four years trying to do activism through DU and other sites. We have gotten little help. We have no way to make a change having been thwarted at every turn. Until a leader emerges or powerful folks decide that "a change" is in order, we are left to "blend in" as best we can. Just my opinion.

On Edit: We have a foundation with Howard Dean and movements like Move On.org. But, until the leader emerges..it will be dark.

60,000 young people killed in Viet- uh... Iraq. We need an oil-embargo and $6.00 a gallon gasoline and $7.00 per gallon heating oil. We need more expensive drugs, a draft, elimination of Social Security, a devastating national debt and deficit. We need our own version of McCarthy hearings.

-- Allen

But I think so. Really sad part? THe rest of us will have to take this roller coaster ride to hell with the 51% who want Big Daddy to perteck us from terra.

This is what I am thinking, bush will completely destroy the Republican party. Completely. Four years will be the end of it.