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dogindia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:39 PM
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New KO blog
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 09:43 PM by dogindia
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:42 PM
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1. Kick
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:44 PM
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2. Kinda Sounds Like A Soap Opera Don't It?
Amazing that this is actually real life.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:13 PM
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8. People need something now that the Peterson trial ended...
the chances of him being put to death before he dies of old age are pretty slim in California, yet people were still apparently glued the story....hint, hint....
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:18 PM
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9. Analogy = WRONGGGGGGGG
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 10:49 PM by IAMREALITY
BIGGGGGGGGG DIFFERENCE is Scott's kids, friends, and acquaintances can't keep fighting for his life after he's dead...

...but we collectively CAN keep fighting as long as it takes to restore democracy.

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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:23 PM
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10. don't derail my point, Mr. Reality....
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 11:14 PM by AntiFascist
no doubt WE will keep fighting, but the general public needs a new soap opera to latch onto, one which is full of all kinds of interesting twists and turns...now is an opportunity.

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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:25 PM
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11. Maybe Your Point Was Ambigous Then
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 10:30 PM by IAMREALITY
You said hint hint...

That really seemed to imply that WE are all addicted to a soap opera that we need to latch onto even though there is no chance for victory in our lifetime.

That definitely seemed like what you were trying to say by the hint hint.

Didn't know you meant it in a hint hint, now's the time to expose it to them type way.

My Bad.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:37 PM
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16. Right...
and KO is in a unique position to get a lead on the competition for this story, which may or may not emerge. (Watergate was a fraction as interesting when it initially broke.)
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:40 PM
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18. Well You Have My Absolute Retraction Then
I hope you can understand why I took it in the context I had. The hint hint seemed sarcastic rather than wink wink ya know? LOL

Anyway, it's all good!
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:47 PM
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19. No problem...
sometimes I could be more clear. (too much red wine).
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:46 PM
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3. Nice piece...
Too bad Keith's blog was better than his broadcast....Oh yeah...Why cant Fineman speak like that ON AIR???
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:55 PM
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4. This I hadn't heard Kerry was asking:
"to permit independent examination of “the programming and calibration of the tabulating system, scanners, and electronic voting machines verified by independent experts.”"
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:07 PM
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6. He certainly did, or at least his attorney did...
That to me is one of the great parts of the request. These actions will amount to a contest of the election rather than just a recount, and in a contest a judge can overturn the election of the presidential electors.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:40 AM
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36. that point should be repeated
on every applicable thread.
That's great news--I certainly hadn't realized that before!
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:11 PM
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Aquart, Couple Threads On It, But Here Ya Go
Just for you :)

a quick copy of the letter:


(snip)

On behalf of John Kerry and John Edwards I am making the following requests regarding the conduct of the recount:



The selection of precincts for the three percent hand count should be according to a scientifically valid random sampling method. I am aware that you have received a letter from Votewatch regarding this issue with an offer by that organization to provide resources to ensure that the sampling method is valid. We urge you to accept this offer of assistance or otherwise be able to demonstrate that the method employed by the Board to select the precincts for the three percent hand count is scientifically valid.


2. We request that each candidate be given the opportunity to select at least one precinct for a hand count, either as part of or in addition to the three percent hand count.



For those counties that use touch screen voting systems, we request that the three percent hand count include a hand count of three percent of the ballot images stored in the each of the redundant memories of the machines selected for the recount and on any paper trail for the machines.


We request that the Board provide the opportunity for candidates participating in the recount to have the programming and calibration of the tabulating system, scanners, and electronic voting machines verified by independent experts.


We request that the test used by the Board to verify the logic and accuracy of the computer tabulating program be performed for each precinct, including any separate absentee precinct. Further, the test should include testing for under and over voted ballots.


We request that computer printouts of the recount results include the under and over votes recorded in each precinct.


John Kerry and John Edwards hereby request to have their witnesses visually inspect all ballots for which your voting system has not recorded a vote for President and Vice President, i.e. the undervote and overvote ballots. If the Board does not agree to a visual inspection of these ballots, then we hereby request to visually inspect all ballots pursuant to R.C. § 3515.04 and OAG 74-103.


We request to inspect envelopes and related paperwork for all uncounted provisional and absentee ballots. This includes documents stating the reason or reasons that a ballot was not counted and the documentation to support the same.


In order to verify candidate rotation, we request to inspect the ballot page assemblies of all punch card voting devices and the ballot faces of all touch screen voting machines used at the polls or at the Board’s office.


For those counties where the names of Nader and Camejo were visible to voters on the ballots, ballot pages or faces of voting machines, i.e. where the names were not covered over with a sticker or blacked out or the ballots were not reprinted without their names, we request to know whether any votes were cast for Nader and Camejo for President and Vice President.


We request that absentee ballots which were postmarked by election day, November 2, 2004, and were received by the board no later than November 12, 2004, be counted if the voter did not vote at the polls.


The above requests are in addition to any other requests that may be made by our witnesses.



If you should have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.



Very truly yours,





cc: Daniel J. Hofheimer

Kerry-Edwards State Counsel, Ohio
Donald J. McTigue
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:58 PM
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5. KO sees smoke!!! This is big. If Fineman really gets behind this that'd
make it burst into flames.

Also KO points out the solid MSM credentials of the article which he says "so superbly documented over the weekend by The Columbus Dispatch".
He's so much as telling us that this is an angle that can help us get MSM attention.
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:11 PM
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7. This is good news... 1 more notch in the "maybe it was fraud" column
Thisis about awareness now... and about January the 6th .. be in Washington DC that day .. I will
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:27 PM
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12. So the one mistaken ev for edwards stands? ah crap
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loritooker Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:30 PM
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13. "..Kerry needs to play it perfectly."
KO's blog tonight, Fineman is quoted (2nd to the last paragraph):".....this is a minority voting rights issue and Kerry needs to play it perfectly." Thoughts?
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:30 PM
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14. The Reps disenfranchise black voters and KERRY has to play it perfectly.
Sheesh.
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loritooker Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:33 PM
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15. Agreed, there's no justice, but does the observation mean anything or was
Fineman just running his yap?
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:39 PM
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17. Excerpt: from Howard Fineman
The problem — as Howard Fineman puts it — is that even acknowledging the delicate position Kerry finds himself in, and the easy target he would make himself by openly investing in an Ohio recount/investigation/protest, this all still smacks of “I didn’t care about the recount before I started caring about it.” Howard continues: “If Kerry and his lawyer really thought there was real mischief going on, they should have had all their guns out there investigating what happened in Ohio and they should have been strong and vocal.”



FUCK YOU HOWARD!
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:48 PM
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20. Well said.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:59 PM
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21. Is anyone else starting to laugh instead of crying over how stupid
this all really is, this is not the biggest joke of an election system in the world, suppression votes, stolen votes, cheating officials, electors can vote right, the candidate does not fight for his position in our hearts, if I do not laugh I will certainly being crying my head off, we really need to take these screw balls to task and soon, very soon. I am sure we could do a better job.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:06 PM
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22. Oh, puh-leeze
Fineman needs to pull his head out of his butt. The only question is whether Kerry decided not to make himself the center of attention, or whether he did the responsible thing and gathered evidence first.

The only question I have for Mr. Fineman is: "Are you a dickhead or just an insufferable prick?"
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:19 PM
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26. "Are you a dickhead or just an insufferable prick?"
Couldn't he be both?
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:36 AM
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32. You went to the John Stewart school of journalism I take it?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:07 PM
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23. Dupe
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 11:08 PM by Straight Shooter
Dammit, not only does it post twice, but in the wrong place. I've been having problems all day with DU bugs.

:wtf:
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Red State Blues Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:56 AM
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34. Agree
"Blackwell KINDA slow-stepped so they wouldn't be able to finish a full recount before the electoral college met."

Would it be so f'n hard to just say that the SOB fixed it so the recount couldn't start until TODAY!?

Ass.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:10 PM
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24. I wish Keith mentioned this explosive Cobb's testimony.
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missouri dem 2 Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:15 AM
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35. I do too.
That was the big news today and the key to unraveling the whole fraud.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:13 PM
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25. One EV to Edwards?
What is this bullshit?
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:04 AM
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29. An elector in Minnesota, I believe
made a mistake, error or dare I say it was a glitch... :(
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:28 PM
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27. Gilbert and Sullivan would be far more appropriate for Junior
Keith remarked about that legendary musical duo in his blog, but I have to disagree with him on just who would be the star of another G&S musical. My money's on Junior. I can just picture him in his faux military jacket, caressing the side of a fighter jet and singing, "I am the very model of a modern Major-General!" In fact, given that this song was first presented in 1879, this certainly fits:


"For my military knowledge, though I'm plucky and adventury,
Has only been brought down to the beginning of the century;
But still, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a modern Major-General."

Yep, definitely Junior. Dick, Karl, and Condi could be the chorus.


:evilgrin:
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:33 PM
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28. The current regime is ripe for G&S

For man, however well-behaved
At best is but a monkey shaved...:)

OK you artistic clever folks out there-- we need a G&S Parody stat!

Feel free to bring in any of the 14 from the canon. There's more than enough to go around.

As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list, I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed, they never would be missed....

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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:13 AM
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31. I'll give it a go
With tank-like tread,
Upon our prey we steal;
Their constant dread,
Our wanton way we feel.
No mind at all!
We never think a thought;
A Blackwell's job
Would be distinctly bought--
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:05 AM
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30. kick
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IHeart1993 Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:47 AM
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33. Kick
:kick:
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