BREAKING:Witness said voting co. tampered w/machines in columbus!

After the vote and tried to plant false info into Ohio recount!

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=490

By John Byrne Raw Story Editor

;-)

I mean you asked?

off the TV screens and let the media start covering Real News. IF they know how!

they choose the safer route. There will be another non story to follow the Scott Peterson one.

in the cell with Peterson.

...after the holiday season we've got the NFL playoffs and Super Bowl, and just about then the Michael Jackson trial starts...

Much more important than destroying a country (Iraq) and a hugely successful government program (Social Security)...

I told them their new nickname online is "Associated Propoganda" because they protect Bush at the expense of Democracy, which was stolen through electoral fraud that they aren't reporting.

via http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity2_09.htmg

get on this story you guys.Use the link above.DEMAND the Journalist do their Job.

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Doesn't anyone in that profession, or in our federal government have a soul anymore?

on 12/14/04 at 6:30 PM Ken Blackwell will be speaking to the public at the Clintonville women's club on N. High street .... Columbus, Ohio!

Spread the word. It is supposed to be open to the public. We need people.

:kick:

We are close! The truth will out! The moral arc of the universe bends towards justice (Dr. King)

Please people. Remember to get off the computer tomorrow and print out a flyer that says KERRY MAY HAVE WON OHIO. Back it up with facts and websites.

Post it in coffee shops and churches and train stations. Pass it out! Let's get the message rolling off the blogosphere.

The people in Ohio need our help NOW!!! Don't let this become another Florida. Reasonable Reds do exist! I'm from Illinois and they came out in droves for Obama (A small percentage 25% voted for the guy who said Jesus sent him. But that percentage won't be convinced. But the other half can be.) I promise. I've seen it!

Good luck. I've marched on DC before and it is a thrilling experience. I remember Nam and the government is still afraid of that kind of power. Really. Take a trip to Ohio if you can. And BELIEVE, BELIEVE, BELIEVE

Send this to the MSM and Kerry offices!

Is anyone out there good at drawing up petitions? The main point would be for a revote. If you can, post it so we can download it and start walking door-to-door. We need to get millions of signatures and FAST. Also, it will need an address where to send it. Anyone?

The Triad machines are punchcard machines. That means that they leave a paper trail, which no amount of manipulation with the machines can alter. The machine manipulation may destroy outright evidence of fraud in the computer software, but the punch cards remain.

Exit polls in Ohio suggest that Kerry won by over 200,000 votes. Therefore, a full state-wide recount of the punch cards should overturn the election (assuming that they haven't managed to destroy them). So, I think that that's what we should be aiming for, not a revote. It would be much more difficult to get a revote than a recount, and I think a recount is more likely to provide a Kerry win.

some authority involed then there is no more authority, at least not one that I have any faith in. I believe vote tampering is a federal crime, no?

Smoking gun, what?

He is watching the economy and Iraq burn in the aftermath of the Bush "victory" and realizes that it is time to get Bush away from the blame. Hence, the door is opened to miraculously let Kerry take the sh!t.

The neocons who are really in charge (not Bush whom they can easily persuade to adopt any position they want) WANT Iraq to be a disaster:

1) More $$$ for the Halliburtons of the world.
2) More U.S. domination of Middle East oil.
3) More demonstration of America's willingness and "resolve" to destroy anyone who stands in our way.
4) More terror = More "need" for a "tough" president (i.e., not a girlie manm, French-speaking, nuanced Democrat)

Why would Rove send (mis)voting machine company techs to wipe out evidence of voting fraud if he wanted to let Kerry become president? It makes no sense.

Bush is Al Capone, and the world is Chicago...

Except Capone actually ran his empire, not like the Chimperior, who merely a figurehead for the "behind the scenes" guys.

...gotta keep the troops there to put out the ever-erupting fires...

Imagine if fire stations operated this way...torch a building so you can come put it out.

I wonder if this actually happened in "Gangs of New York" days? Anyone know?

How many central tabulators are there?

Assuming this sack of shit replaced the hard drives, whoever does the recount needs to do some deep scanning for deleted files and check dates. These machines shouldn't have been touched since election night, and if there are files dated after Nov 2, that's proof of tampering.

and making idiotic amateurish mistakes. They're all going to jail.

From the excitement in this thread I thought this was a new find!

I didn't realize it was the same story as from this morning.

Each time I read it though my jaw still drops!! I hope we hear more about this soon!

it said Columbus which is in Franklin County. I thought the story from the Conyers hearing was in Green County? :shrug:

But at least it's in print (er posted) now.

check out this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x152205

Rosebud's talking about guerilla marketing. Don't have the talent myself to write a petition... but I think your idea is great! :hi:

I'm going to ask a local dfler/writer to help draw up a petition. I'll post it as sson as it is done.

Right now, we are all still so disjointed. I wish I did have addressed for you. Just keep reminding people to hit their local streets. It can happen. Yes We Can! (Obama campaign slogan)

during the Conyers hearing. There are threads all over about it.

no need to jam emails everywhere at the drop of a hat.

more news will be coming.

edit: again, Cobb brought this out during the Conyers hearing this morning

I am sorry for posting something everyone already knew about.

I thought since it said Columbus it would be different - because in the Conyers hearing I thought they said it was in Green County (Columbus is in Franklin).

Anyway - this is the first time it has actually been posted so there is a link for people to read.

Sorry if I offended you.

but... it was posted here at DU this morning at 10:38, the same transcript (I know cuz I'm the one who transcribed and posted).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=149814&mesg_id=149814

If there's one thing I've learned in my short time here so far, it's that DU is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of the curve on many, many issues.

Cheers to DU!

it seems like we scream and scream before anybody ever notices and then they usually forget who brought it up. LOL

Go get em.

across the state. I have no doubt. This needs to be addressed before they cover all their tracks.

http://www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/mrn/audio/InsideTrackNews041213_3pm.mp3

unannounced and maybe just take a quick looksie and whoops I just lost all the votes ....but by chance I have some spare parts in my coat... yah thats the ticket this story has to come out mainstream

better yet - "I know I don't have a receipt, but honest Mr Bank officer - I put $100,000 in that deposit slot yesterday and its GONE now! You have to credit me the money!"...

Read this and Bradblog entry on this. In a couple of days you will thank me.

to lose all the data in the machine(s) to compare with a recount.

"Cobb says that a witness who had requested anonymity watched a representative of Triad Systems ...."

I am sorry, but the world is full of people that can and will say anything as long as they can remain anonymous.

Proof? Check the posts here.

...maybe we should start a witness protection fund

" ... world is full of people that can and will say anything as long as they can remain anonymous."

Pot meet kettle!

The witness who had requested anonymity is known to Cobb, Conyers, etc. They are anonymous to others for the time being, why would identity be released to GOP & freep types before they have hearings, sworn statements, or trials? So they can be pressured or badgered into shutting up? Standard procedure to protect witnesses like this.

your voter registration card and social security number so we know if your opinion is valid or not.

Vote for Edwards instead of Kerry shocks Minnesota electors
Dane Smith, Star Tribune
December 14, 2004

Voting irregularities were few in Minnesota this year -- until it really counted when a DFL elector chose to vote for Edwards.

Defeated Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry likely is going to get one less electoral vote nationally than he should have -- 251 instead of 252 -- because of an apparent mistake Monday by one of Minnesota's 10 DFL electors.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5134791.html

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Don't you?

Ok, is this perhaps a backup plan? two more of these "accidents" in other states and they have a nice little buffer in case Ohio ends up switching its 20 electoral votes to Kerry...then it's 270 to 270 and guess who get's to decide who wins?

:toast:

Why didn't someone take him down? Why didn't all the employees jump on him and throw him out? Are these people at the BOE's all repulsives? Or do they have no cajones or are they just fucking stupid or just what in the hell is the deal?

the screen when I try to read articles on bluelemur? Is there a way to remove this so all of the text is visible? Thanks.

I just don't get why this guy would suggest writing the numbers on the walls during a recount, doesn't he know that there will be observers?

Also why would he go to great lengths to lie about a dead battery, when he obviously was fumbling with the harddrive, only to suggest ways to cheat to the people he was lying to?

Doesn't make sense, though this is second hand account through Cobb.

Was Rove wearing his Triad jumpsuit that day??

1) The technician recommended burying the number inside of others that would appear work-related. They would know where to look inside the false numbers to find the bogus 'matching' number they would need. A list of numbers on the wall wouldn't attract much attention if it is made to look like other lists present. If they're recounting in a 'clean room' this won't work, but since they're the ones choosing where to recount, this most definitely WOULD work. But for at least one whistleblower.

2) Why would the tech take those people into his confidence about altering the machine? Does he know those people personally? Does he trust them not to turn him in to the police? Or did he make a 'mistake' he 'admits' to them, so they will try to cover for him in order to make the recount go smoother? He picked what he probably thought was a safe (as in, republican) group to 'admit' his 'mistake' to, it seems. He miscalculated. At least one of them is a true patriot.

3) The whistleblower is going to remain anonymous until we're past the hearing stage and in the court stage. That's the intelligent course to take. People have had 'accidents' for much less.

There is ALWAYS a mix of both Dem and Rep. While there are offices of both parties at the BOE, all of the equipment and working areas are commingled. Unless you assume that the Dems at this BOE are in on the fix, this entire story falls apart. I have a feeling that we will see a full-speed retreat on this story.

"I have a feeling that we will see a full-speed retreat on this story."
What gives you reason to think there will be a retreat on the story? Are you really proposing super-collusion?

I don't think the "unnamed source" will ever be named. I don't believe the Dems in any county are in on a fix. These are people who live and breath politics. I refuse to embrace the tinfoil theories that are necessary to believe some of these stories. I will be more than happy to admit I am wrong if anyone can produce the man, the machine and the repairman. Think about the story. We know where this "tampered with" machine is. Why don't we inspect it?

There are too many holes in a story that is being told as "I heard from a friend of a friend".

I heed your points. But do you think that Cobb could be so gullible as take the story so seriously he runs into the proceeding? (at least that's how i heard it happened). I mean Cobb can't be a dumb man, heck he even seemed a rational moralist avoiding campaigning in swing states....

I never claimed he spoke to all of the members of the BOE. He'd know which one(s) to contact with his plans. Or did he?

dirty cop or politician who is being bribed or extorted. Anyone.

Her name is Sherole Eaton. She's also the whistleblower. Signed an affadavit about the fraud. It's in the New York Times. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x159478

No retreat on this story, certainly not one at "full=speed." We're going to take Ohio back. Count on it.

> 2) Why would the tech take those people into his confidence about
> altering the machine? Does he know those people personally? Does
> he trust them not to turn him in to the police? Or did he
> make a 'mistake' he 'admits' to them, so they will try to cover
> for him in order to make the recount go smoother? He picked what
> he probably thought was a safe (as in, republican) group to
> 'admit' his 'mistake' to, it seems. He miscalculated. At least
> one of them is a true patriot.

I think he REALLY made a mistake...he meant to replace the hard drive with a prepared replacement that would agree with the fixed vote, but something went wrong and the replacement had a problem. So, he tried to work around the problem with a really stupid plan, probably thought up right there and then.

I'm sure the operation went quite smoothly in other precincts...he just wasn't prepared for something to go wrong at this one. Tch-tch, bad planning.

Dang, ran out of tin-foil for my hat! Anybody got some extra?

Lance

wasn't exactly what he meant, but rather that he was saying to post in up on the wall (or bulletin board) where employees and employers post other kinds of information. You know, like in a break room or in a hallway, you'll see posted (ironically) "Su Voto Es Su Voz" if you live in an area with Latino populations, or an announcement of the next potluck, or the top salesperson's figures, things like that. That was my impression when I listened to it yesterday on that fuzzy Radio Left broadcast.

Soneone needs to nut up and blow this thing wide open. Or is this just one more hill on the emotional rollercoaster we have all been riding for the last seven weeks?

Sometimes the old timers are not willing to stand up and face the music...

"The new broom sweeps clean" Old Chinese Proverb

:kick:

Will the media touch this story?


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person will be able to remain anonymous, especially if it's found to be a criminal act.

"outers" thought. So far, no dice on that one either. Remember, we are dealing with a bunch of unscrupulous people. If I was the source, I would ask to be anony too in case someone came "looking for me".

It looks like they're trying to change it so the machines don't appear to have anything wrong with them. As they are only doing a random sampling of counties, the ES&S/Diebold evil trolls only have to change a few tabulators to make them look like they did everything on the up and up. If they are able to change enough of them before the recount effort, won't that make the recount look unnecessary? It seems to me they are trying to stop the statewide recount from happening by rigging the random recounts' results to match those of election night.

Someone please tell me if I'm worrying needlessly.

And I need to send Cobb and Badnarik a bouquet of flowers. They've helped restore my faith in politicians.

See link:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=149814&mesg_id=154726&page=

I see that the delusions continue. You may now remove this message.

The DELUSION still continues within the majority of Americans right now that * actually won the election! That DELUSION definitely still continues.

But alas, we are here, here to fight, here to make it right, to get * out of sight, and delusion there will be no more...

How many votes were counted on this tabulator?
I was just wondering how many votes could be effected by this?

Thanks to any one who might be able to share about that.

Handcuffs to make this 'newsworthy'.

There must be a re-vote in Ohio.

Afraid for their job?

I took this from the DailyKos, but I can't find any info on the BradBlog(s) to verify it. Can anyone verify that the JC interviewed the anonymous witness?

According to BradBlog (none / 0)

The whistleblower has been interviewed behind closed doors by the Judiciary Committee. For the time being being they want to remain anonymous because their job is in jeopardy. Also as there is a history of "suicide" among people that put the Bush crime family at risk, I think this is prudent.

We need/ed the boxes locked down before it happened. Questioning the activity after the fact won't prove anything. EXCEPT hopefully turn it into a prime facia (sp?) case, where THEY need to prove that fraud did not occur, rather than the onus being on us (as it were).

to grasp? why are people such sheep?

Keep an eye on it. Trust me.

any role here at all? Is he involved?
He was in Ohio correct. I didn't hear that he was at the hearings so I'm sure he wasn't. Just wondering.

and we're waiting! thanks.

eom

:eyes:

Proper format:
Here

December 14, 2004

Dear Senator XX,

Yesterday, on December 13, sworn testimony was given to the House Judiciary Committee Democrats, in Columbus, OH in which a computer programmer swears to having developed a vote-rigging software prototype for Congressman Tom Feeney while Feeney was FL Speaker of House and the witness was working for a company called Yang Enterprises based in Florida. The programmer has worked for NASA, Exxon Mobile, and the Florida Department of Transportation. In light of this newest evidence, combined with the overwhelming amount of

„X anomalous statistical data

„X exit poll discrepancies, especially in the states that show consistency between actual tallies and exit polls in Senatorial races, but differences between actual tallies and exit polls in the Presidential race, which can be explained by 1) a consistent pattern of people who told the truth about who they voted for Senator but lied about who they voted for President or 2) fraudulent manipulation of the election or exit poll data

„X utter lack of security and standardized regulatory supervision around easily manipulated electronic technology

„X Clint Curits, former NASA programmer testified to Congress that the software code could have a 'flag' inserted in the central vote tabulator to flip the vote and furthermore that code written in modules can be designed to erase itself.


The undersigned residents of XX respectfully urge you to hear the evidence presented to Congress, consider attending the remaining hearings, and assess the situation before January 6th, 2005.

In the United States of America, a President should not be sworn into office when there are significant discrepancies of this magnitude in the hinge state responsible for determining which candidate prevailed. If the sworn testimony and evidence presented before Congress are factual, we will have witnessed a political hijacking of democracy. We regret that this information has arisen during the holiday season, but we hope that you will recognize the urgency of this matter and immediately take action to further investigate. We believe in the U.S. Constitution and the will of the American people and we are asking for your support in order for these fundamental ideals by which we live to prevail.

Sincerely,

We could put the following attachment...
http://www.votersunite.org/info/mapflyerohio2004.pdf

In fact.. since the above was made Nov 04, we could spice this chart up even more...

Why not? I believe that it's more important to critique evidence supporting your position than opposing it--it's the evidence you're most likely to latch on to and that is most likely to come around and bite you on the butt if you're not careful.

Consider the question and answer: "Do you beat your wife?" "Oh, yes! Every day!"
Now, did the answer indicate denial or confirmation?

My point: you can't tell. Intonation is key here. BlueLemur doesn't provide any information as to how it was said; Cobb didn't; his informant probably didn't. This makes the anonymous source's ID even more important: a long-time staff member would understand office humor, a short-termer or transient office visitor wouldn't. I'd trust the former more than the latter.

Moreover, I have no idea how the tabulator's constructed; a quick web search turned up zilch. Does it have a harddrive? Battery-independent ROM? Or is it like my computer--the battery dies, it thinks it's 12:00:01 on 1/1/99 on the East Coast?

OK, now I'll be critical. And even ignore the anonimity of the source.
--Repairman works on office equipment. Happens all the time. Maybe the machine actually wasn't working right.
--The instruction "don't turn it off" isn't accounted for by the context, as far as I can tell. If nothing else, it's evidence that the power supply is at question and probably important.
--The only reason to need the data in the machine (even if it wasn't lost) is if it doesn't match was was reported. But, even if it didn't match, the number the recount has to match is the *reported* number. The machine log would only be useful if somebody could get in and look at it before the recount occurred. I don't see that happening.
--I can read the reported conversation as prima facie evidence of fraud and conspiracy; I can also read it as in-office humor. At one job we constantly make quips to the photocopy repairman about counterfeiting money, and he'd reply in kind. (Glad no humorless secret service types were around.)

Is the anonymous informant providing useful info? Yes.
Is it unambiguous? No.
Is it sufficient to convince me that they're conspiring in that office, by itself? No.

Some things are bugging me.

Signs saying the election is opposite rather than promoting the question, Did Kerry win Ohio? Saying it IS so could so Rove-backfire on us. Whereas, did kerry win neatly instills the question in the people we want to reach and leaves the necessary fallback of noting the inaccuracy of evoting as larger, much larger, than the manufacturer tells us. And, further, a higher inaccuracy demands a hand recount when election is within some amount greater than 0.5$, or whatever the percent currently is.

You pointed out good reasons on where it could backfire. I'll add that we could lose more than we'd think. We need to stand up and shout, but we need to shout with care.

While it is true that the evidence for fraud here may be somewhat ambiguous, the bottom line is that it raises suspicion of fraud to the point where there should be no question that the precinct involved should be fully hand re-counted.

The Triad machines are punch card machines, so there should be a paper trail that can be hand re-counted. If the hand recount matches the officlal vote tally, there was likely no fraud in that precinct. But if it is way off, that would confirm the fraud and should most definately lead to a full hand re-count of the whole state -- or at least those portions that used the Triad machines, which is about half of the counties in the state.

Will I be thrown in jail or Guantanomo for calling him this??? After all... he has never been elected to anything higher than Governor of Texas... and he has stolen 2 presidential elections ... is that not what dictators do... I think that we all should refer to him as DICTATOR BUSH... it may catch on, or end up in guantanomo as an enemy combatant... what a crock of sh*t

a dictator by Michael Rechtenwald on his website.

This in fighting and back biting has to stop.

either it was a "mistake" or the elector decided to be "faithless". It's here in Minnesota.

Here we have a hand-picked elector who cannot figure out who he is voting for President?

Maybe we do need to overhaul the system.

I have just left another blog that chats about everything but this.
We have plenty of time to discuss everything else but this is so time limited.

We need to write Kerry and all the Senators
We need to write the media, even though they wont cover it.
I have written Keith and he has answered but hes not really mainstream.

This is crazy

The blogs are so powerful

lets use our power

Why is a Triad technician in Columbus (Franklin County)? Franklin used Danaher Guardian touchscreen machines - <http://guardianvoting.com/gvs/>, a company based in Gurnee, IL. Triad is made by <http://www.xegc.org/spotlight/triad.htm> Triad Governmental Systems, Inc., based in Xenia, OH. Triad is well-known to be a big supporter of Bush etal. But they only do punch-cards, not e-touch. Could Franklin not get a technician out all the way from IL? It's not that far. For something this important, that could have happened. This does not make sense. Would a Triad tech even know WTF they were doing with a touch screen system?

That was a mistake - since corrected at Blue Lemur. It was an unnamed county.

I am scare to death of the direction this country is heading... Democrat can never win another Presidential Election unless, we can get rid of Corporate soft-ware that is used in counting machines!!!

I'm sure most of you know that the 2004 election has been under close legal scrutiny, with recounts underway in Ohio, and pending in New Mexico.

Rep. John Conyers feels he needs a million e-mails to compel the House Judiciary Committee to hold hearings about the 2004 election. I appeal to ... spread this message among your list of Democracy supporting friends and associates. Go here:

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/contact.html

and tell the Judiciary Committee you want hearings on Ohio!

Sample letter:

To the House Judiciary Committee:
I am writing to urge the House Judiciary Committee to hold hearings as soon as possible on the irregularities of the 2004 election. I need not remind the Judiciary Committee members that the Unites States is a beacon of democracy for the rest of the world. If we truly wish to remain the embodiment of democratic values, then we must treat the right of every citizen to vote and for their vote to count as sacred.

Ample evidence has arisen that this right was violated or undermined for many Americans in the 2004 election. I strongly believe that holding hearings to investigate and resolve these irregularities would be an act of tremendous patriotism on the part of Congress, and would serve as a declaration that we are the world's greatest democracy not only in word, but in deed.


Thank you,
{your name}
****************************************************************************************************

What do I mean by "ample evidence?"

http://joeorgren.com/MossvBush1.pdf
http://joeorgren.com/MossvBush2.pdf



The official Petition and Injunction to contest the election results in Ohio.
Forward to anyone and everyone you know who gives a hoot about our country.
It takes only a minute to fire off an email to the judiciary committee. Let's hit 1,000,000. This is OUR mandate.

hope too much? Can/will these people be revealed for the facists they are? NOTHING would make me happier. I volunteered with ACT in Ohio the weekend before the election. At least 5:1 Kerry to Bush signs. I wore a Kerry t-shirt, people were honking, friendly, encouraging. 200 volunteers showed up that day, many from out of state. I simply can't believe Bush won the state.

And hey, be kind, I'm just learning how to post after reading on this site for months. It's a great source of news and inspiration for a citizen of a red state.

They are saying that the only one who could benefit from this is a Dem, so who is obviously staging this fantastical mystery person, but a Dem!

Will they stop at nothing.

I probably do hope *a lot* but right now, I'm just trying to defend principle more than anything else. I too agree that it's hard to believe Bush genuinely won Ohio. The simple fact of the matter is that Ohio was hit economically HARD by Bush's policies. They lost half a million jobs there, and while the rural areas might be more conservative, that state is very pro-union with a high blue collar contingency whom Bushco. has done no favors for. I know many people do have a tendency to vote against their best interests, and put religious fervor above economy, so I can understand Bush maybe getting 40-45% of the vote in that state, but NOT a majority. Something stinks, there. I have already written to the judiciary committee and will urge others to do the same. Will it work? Who knows, but I couldn't live with myself if I didn't try. Especially knowing that there WAS shenanigans in that state with the voting.

please everybody "DU this..." as I have read here. It's even more effective if you write/contact/email/phone your own congressperson; you are a constituent!

Hell, I can't believe he won Florida either. I wasn't a member on election day so I'm still processing. Haven't been the same since. Reminds me of feelings of faith in "the system" lost, kind of like the OJ trial.

Exactly. :-)

I have a lot of trouble buying Florida too. With Jebby and Kate Harris running the show there, he has a pretty loyal support system in place. I have also heard a lot of rumblings about disenfranchisement and "malfunctioning machines" there too. Definitely, writing to one's local govt. as well is encouraged. I think a lot of the Bush supporters are counting on the Dems rolling over and playing dead. We shouldn't. We need to be vocal. It's sad that we have to kick and scream just to get a fair election, but it looks like that's the way it's going to be.

Please read, if you haven't already, this morning's Washington Post article describing how the voting "foul-ups appeared particularly acute in Democratic-leaning districts, according to interviews with voters, poll workers, election observers and election board and party officials, as well as an examination of precinct voting patterns in several cities."

more: http://www.politicalthought.net">www.politicalthought.net">www.politicalthought.net

or: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64737-2004Dec14_3.html">WP

For those of you with weak hearts, try to control your rage as you read this...

is to far down the road. No matter what comes up, this administration rises above it. Bush is like Satan, It's hard to stop all the fraud that has gone on since election 2000. With the media on their side, most people will follow what they see and hear. A friend voted for Bush, I said why? Because Kerry scared the hell out of him.

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are you interested in speaking up here at DU?

:hi:

dp

So glad you're here. I've been following your story quite closely. Thanks for your bravery--and so sorry to hear about your dog. Hope you are being careful.

I count you among the true patriots.

:dem:

RV