Why is there no outrage?

Why aren't people taking to the streets? There are 50 million of us for godsakes? Doesn't anyone care enough to get their butt off a couch? I don't even see any plans for a protest!

the outrage comes later.

.....inauguration.

This inauguration is going to be nuts. Forget 2000.

I am interested in seeing how bush's inauguration turns out. Hehe.

Counter-Inaugural Demonstration in Los Angeles
Jan. 20, 2005, 6 pm
Westwood Federal Building
Demonstrations will be happening across the county
Initiated by the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition

I hate to sound cynical, but Bush got the popular vote-to protes this would make us look even more silly. We need to regroup and fight back -

...as a bunch of thugs-in-suits-for-hire storming election offices?

sigh.

there's really nothing to protest - the election is over and the "R" party won fairly...."taking to the streets" would not be productive or wise.

but more importantly those who want to see major change in how this nation does its political biz hopefully understand that that change will only come through peaceful well organizaed efforts at the state and local levels.

and hopefully those efforts are geared towards smaller govt and not bigger govt - less spending, taxation and fewer govt programs and more scrutiny for those we continue to support

"fairness in media" as well. Been drinking that Cool Aid haven't you????

depends on how you define 'media' since I'd define that by incluidng ALL of the internet and local libraries - then I'd have to say that YES we have "fairness" in media since I am go out and get information on just about any issue I want.

but I DO believe that the election has been decided fairly, yes.

you may not know about black box voting -- but DU knows about BBV.

YOU may not know about the massive GOP efforts to suppress the vote -- but we do.

YOU are not listening to Randi Rhodes -- so go to hell and go away.

between the corporate media and the potential fraud (I say potential, though I think it was rampant, but possibly will never be proven)

Not fairly, but whether that will ever be proven, is another matter. If we don't have PROOF of fraud, protesting will make us look like sore losers.

What a joke!

I am, frankly, too stupified at this moment to take action. However, I only expect it to last a day or two before I come out swinging again.

But you're right. There does seem to be a lack of outrage. Could it be that we're all too fatigued by our rage at this injustice?

Are we protesting the fact that we didn't win? Are we protesting the fact that GWB got the most popular votes EVER? What the hell are we protesting. I, for one, am going to work on the midterm elections in 2006.

again , do you?

I'm getting tired of the tin-foil-hat shit going on around here. We need to accept that we lost and MOVE ON. WE LOST, get it? Deal with it and start thinking about 2006. The time to quit whining is now. Bush won, legitimately. I look forward to working with all of you to get a majority in the House and Senate in two years.

There isn't a democracy anymore. There isn't going to be a recognizable USA left in two years. Think SCOTUS.But Maybe you think we can work with Shrub. He isn't that bad. Lokk at Dashle, Cleland and Carnahan.Oh, thats right ! They are gone.

I am confident. This too, will pass.

and their political arm that will retain control for a generation or more - there is nothing to stop the cheating and corruption.

It will be just as if the "mafia" took over.

They are very very good at what they do.

The election was taken from us.

Why are you insisting that there is no voter fraud in BBV?
Why can't you see that Sen. Kerry's wishy-washy stance on guns hurt us? Who do you think was advising him?

We don't appreciate your attitude.

I'm getting tired of seeing "tin-foil-hat" used to dismiss people's ideas just because others don't want to admit painful things to themselves, in this case the possibility of vote fraud/stealing. I guess this is because if it was found to be true then people would actually have to get up off their asses and do something about it. Instead of standing the hell up now and finding out if there is fraud, and (if there is) making sure it doesn't happen again, you suggest people place faith in the system that is in question, and "start thinking about 2006". Wishful thinking gets people nowhere.


Start thinking about fixing the system, not about 2006. "Start thinking about 2004" is what I heard after the 2000 debacle, people did nothing to fix the system and placed their trust in it because they were too busy "thinking about 2004" to look at the big picture.

If there are issues concerning e-voting machines, and how they counted votes biased in Bush's favor somehow, then Bush's "win" is not legitamite.

the fact is that we LOST. we LOST the popular vote and the electoral college. we are not appealing to the broad base. deal with REALITY. start working on the REASONS we lost.

MEDIA, MEDIA, MEDIA

DNC

INCONSISTENT MESSAGE

these are all things that can be fixed. but whining about the results of this election isn't going to help. GET TO WORK!!!!!

in popular votes was JOHN F. KERRY!!!!

that there will be plenty of legitimate reasons to protest in the weeks and months to come, if this administration continues to act with the recklessness and arrogance they have exhibited over the past four years. Stomping around and screaming our heads off now would only make all of us look like whiny losers.

We need to be more vigilant than ever and carefully monitor these crooks and liars. This election might embolden them try even nastier stuff than before. We can't just sneak away and let them.

to war?The disenfranchisement of minority voters? Pick one.

people will lose interest fast.

Perhaps we are just too battered down to be able to keep fighting each new injustice?

What would we take to the streets about? Losing an election?

We are just going to let them take it?

...then we're sort of stuck, imo. I mean, in reality, didn't Kerry give it away? Had he chosen to fight, I'd be right there with you in the street. Instead, he put his stamp of approval on the election. That's the end of it.

as we speak

Dig in for survival. Carry no debt, sell any stocks and diversify in currencies & gold if possible.

Pinch pennies, don't spend anything to support these bastards. Learn permaculture, simplify. Cut back on travel, gasoline purchases.

Support small, local businesses. Think of where your money goes & who it supports.

Like a Sinclair boycott in everyday lifestyle decisions.

Meet up, discuss, read, publish ideas, resist, support each other. This is not our system anymore.

that's the beauty (for them) of bbv . . . no way to catch them in the act . . .

That calm right before the storm.

We watch everything they do.

We ignore and boycott Repuke-owned businesses.

We work at the local level to support causes and move government.

Bush* is going to run this nation into the big fat tree up ahead. He's been driving drunk for four years, has run over 1200 of our troops and murdered 100,000 Iraqis in his stupor and rage.

When you know the vehicle is gonna hit something, you bail or prepare for impact. It's always sad when it's too little too late, but then and only then will the driver change.

Give it a little time.

Exit polls all day showed Kerry up just about everywhere; 8 million new voters for Bush; The voting machines impossible to audit. This is where the outrage should be. I can't figure out who's more stupid, the people that voted for W or the people that think this election wasnt rigged.

Randi on AA has been talking about a machine in the county that includes Youngstown, about the machine glitching and showing MINUS 25 Million for a small county, which doesn't even have close to that population to begin with...

Something so rotten in the state of Buckeyes. I know, I'm here, I smell the stench...

Someone on another thread said it was minus 25,000...did I hear that off??
.:shrug:

Anyways, shouldn't have been minus ANYTHING..

named George Bush how will demonstrations by 50 million Americans change anything? Now we know for a fact that Bush could sodomize a dozen 10 year olds on national TV and be applauded as a Saint by dueling-banjo land. Instead of demonstrating, use the power of the pocketbook. Organize and refuse to patronize any company or entity that helped finance Bush's campaign. People could also go into an underground economy and as independent contractors deal only in cash, thereby refusing to declare or pay federal taxes to support the continued slaughter of innocent people abroad in Bush's continued holy wars. There are more effective forms of civil disobedience than mere demonstrations.

Go bearish on the dollar, it is likely to crash anytime soon. If you trade currency, you don't pay taxes on your trades, only on your income via income tax, so that denies another source of revenue.

I think it is time to adopt the right wing whacko attitude on the second amendment! We need to arm ourselves, they have! It is time for us to start getting our own military weapons, and put them to use.

With the Assault Weapon Ban gone anyway, I am going out today to buy a rifle, probably an M16 or AK77, and a stockpile of at least two hundred bullets, and a banana clip.

Can we be as attcak-dogs on the repugs as they were on Clinton?

Can we make every day a day of hell for Bush?

We don't own the House and Senate (2006?) but how many investigations can we launch? How many wounded soldiers from Iraq can we parade across the TV screens?

GW is a lame duck now. He doesn't need to care about re-election. He f-ed up this bad when he DID care about re-election, he'll make enough slips for us to capitalize, right?

First off, the "Assault Weapon Ban" had NOTHING to do with M16's. M16's are machineguns and to get one today (if you can find one) would cost you over $15,000 and a good 6-9 months of waiting time since you have to have ATF approval to own one. You said "AK77" which doesn't exist, but I think you meant "AK-47" which is in the same boat as the M16 (lots of $$ to get one, lots of waiting and ATF approval - and that's IF you can find one).

...sitting in the pawn shop down the street from my house. 1700 bucks they want for it.

Heyo

A TRUE AK-47 would cost you around $15,000 as I pointed out, and 6-9 months of waiting approval by the ATF and FBI (have to submit photos of you, fingerprints and have a background check done).

When are we going to understand tha the Assault Weapons Ban had NOTHING - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING - to do with machineguns?!

How frustrating.

you will be able to buy them discounted at Wally World. Hell, I've seen reports that they had caught some bootlegging them out of a frigging ice cream truck!! :grr: Senator Feinstein was saying during that debate in the Senate that you could pick them up for only $75. :wow:

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Make sure we have a voter-verified paper trail by 2006. Please. Do whatever it takes to make Congress do THIS in early 2005. Disrupt for THIS. We will never know what really happened in Floridie(bold).

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will not help our cause right now.

Right now we need to calm down and contain the outrage; then we can use its energy to make progress.

Meanwhile, you might want to purchase one of these to satisfy those unbridled moments of anger: http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BP10001

If a rally was called, a movement was made by a legitimate leader I'd be on the front line.

If I try taking to the streets in my town I'd be lynched.

for the blood to come to a proper boil.

a search for alternatives to the predicament. My country is gone. I grieve. I am thinking through my options, because I am scared and angered and belwildered all at the same time. Options include moving to another country for awhile or maybe moving to a blue state (Maybe in New England). I simply will not stand for the status quo. I have to do something. I am just not sure what to do yet.