NEWS Complaint Alleges 130656 Kerry votes in 36 counties switched to Bush

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Ohio Electors Vote Despite Challenge
By CARRIE SPENCER, AP

COLUMBUS, Ohio (Dec. 13) - The Ohio delegation to the Electoral College cast its votes for President Bush on Monday, hours after dissident groups asked the state Supreme Court to review the outcome of the state's presidential race.

As members of the Electoral College met across the nation to affirm the results of last month's election, the 20 GOP electors in Ohio voted unanimously for Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

"The vast majority of people understand this election is over," said Gov. Bob Taft, who was at the electors' voting session in the state Senate chamber.

The challengers who went to the Supreme Court question whether Bush won the key swing state by 119,000 votes, guaranteeing his victory over Democrat John Kerry.

"The challengers allege unlawful ballots were added to the total and legally cast ballots were altered. Without listing specific evidence, the complaint alleges 130,656 votes for Kerry and John Edwards in 36 counties were somehow switched to count for the Bush-Cheney ticket."

...or even HOW they know this?

The ballots need to be re-examined but why throw a number out there if you're not going to specifically show how you arrived at it.

Starting with Paragraph 100, they list the number ("at least") of votes in each county believed to be switched from Bush to Kerry.

But it doesn't really improve anything. We just now have EVEN MORE specific allegations without any hint HOW the number was obtained.

the number of votes in question (130,000+) could have swung the state to Kerry. We need this information *out there* to garner support for Congress to Contest the election on January 6th!

I don't recognized the 130,656 number - it could be a recalculation of one of the following:

In the 15 counties in which the Connally margin is 5,000 better than Kerry's, Connally's margin exceeded Kerry's by 190,437 votes. -- Ellen Connally, an African-American supreme court candidate running an underfunded race won a greater percentage of votes in her race than John Kerry did in his in many Ohio counties. Connally ran better than Kerry in areas where she wasn't known and did not campaign! There were 15 Ohio counties where Connally’s margin was 5,000 votes or more better than Kerry’s unofficial results: Auglaize, Butler, Clermont, Darke, Delaware, Greene, Hamilton, Hancock, Licking, Mercer, Miami, Putnam, Shelby, Stark, and Warren. All 15 counties use voting systems by ES&S (10 counties) or by Triad (5 counties). Both companies have ties with the Republican party.

Net Kerry gain of 101,926 votes - A comparison of votes for Kerry (compared to Gore) indicates that in the 41 counties using Triad punch card voting systems John Kerry got 13,369 votes fewer votes than expected, an average of 326 fewer per county. Kerry did better than Gore, however, in the 28 counties using punch card systems not manufactured by Triad; in the 7 counties using electronic voting, and in the 12 counties using optical scan equipment. If we Kerry did as well in 2004 as Gore did in 2000 in the 41 Triad punch card counties -- this would yield a net Kerry gain of 101,926 votes.

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Edited: To add detail about the 130,656 number & previous analyses.

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I've been so upset since they voted yesterday. :((

But Stark is listed in the 15 counties where Connally beat Kerry by 5000+. Hope thats a misprint.

I'm sorry, I'm a mathematician and statistian and I don't agree with the folks who did their analysis.

The Connally race was nonpartisan. Take a look at the ballot first. Many people made a random vote in that race. Proof: Counties that were heavily Democratic voted unusually strongly for Moyers, i.e. Cuyahoga went only 59% for Connally and 41% Moyers. Counties that were heavily Republican voted unusually strongly for Connally - already documented.

The Triad punch-cards happened to be used in some of the more conservative areas of Ohio that in general trended even more toward Bush in 2004 than 2000. For example, far western Ohio -- Mercer county shifted 20% more for Bush and a 12% drop for Kerry from 2000 and it used Triad while next door, neighboring Shelby had a 25% increase for Bush while Kerry dropped 11% from 2000. Shelby used non-Triad punch-cards. (Adjusted for population change and 2000 Kerry base is Gore+Nader.) You can do the same county after county. Actually my data shows that Kerry did better in the Triad punch card counties than in the non-Triad punch card counties.

Based on the results of the Senate race between Voinovich and Fingerhut, my data shows that it is the touch-screen counties (with the exception of Franklin, which used Danaher machines), as well as one punch-card county - Hamilton (Cincinnati), where Kerry most likely should have about 2% more of the votes (overall shift of 2%). These are the six touch-screen counties, where there is no opportunity for a recount - Auglaize, Knox, Lake, Mahoning, Pickaway, and Ross. I would guess that Kerry lost about 20,000 to 25,000 votes total in these 6 counties and another 20,000 to 25,000 in Hamilton County.

First, they refer to Americans trying to get every vote counted as "dissidents", then they say "The vast majority of people understand this election is over" . Nothing to see here folks, move along, just a bunch of crazies....Guess they couldn't say "Internet Conspiracy Theorists" when it was happening right in their faces yesterday.

We will never accept the results of this election. Bush will have four years of these reports dogging him. And as one editorial put it, he doesn't have the moral foundation from which to stand on to proselytize to other countries on the virtues of democracy.

Our media newspapers aren't good enough for my dog to shit on.

Freaking media is just another piece of all the stolen machinery!

It is "Republican Governor Taft' says the vast majority of Americans are over it. That is a totally different situation.

Maybe we ought to contact Governor Taft's office to let them know that the Ohio News Network's online poll shows that 37% of respondents say that there SHOULD be a recount in Ohio. Nearly 40% is not exactly a tiny minority!

Vote in the ONN poll <http://www.onnnews.com/>

Governor Bob Taft
Columbus, Ohio
Phone 614-466-3555 or 614-644-HELP

Email him here <http://governor.ohio.gov/contactinfopage.asp>

Mr. Taft. ;)

"The vast majority of people have been duped into believing this election is over," said Gov. Bob Taft, a Republican hackwho was at the electors' voting session in the state Senate chamber.

.............What else are they going to say?

Of course it would be great for them to tell the truth or at least observe that there are complaints of "irregularities" that need to be looked into.

But we know not to kid ourselves. These slime balls are committed to running over the will of the people.

Its about the only card they have to play. Ignoring facts and pushing on to victory for their little Hitler.

It is an endorsement of our suspicion that there is no real patriotism in their official ranks.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

I also saw my vote "hop" to Bush when I chose Kerry. I live in Colorado, voted at the Jefferson County Court building early. I did catch it and , in fact, changed it back to Kerry. It was an electronic voting machine. When I reviewed all my voting at the end it did say that my vote had registered for Kerry. I also overheard two election officials say when I was filling out paperwork "that woman looks determined." Those same two election officials stood next to me while I was voting and talked about two "bums" that had voted the day before. They said one was a woman "that stunk to high heaven" and needed a lot of help voting. Apparently, the woman helping her was asked by this woman how she thought she should vote. The other was a man and they said that he was "practically illiterate" and the elderly gentleman that helped him said he had to help him so much he was afraid of being accused of directing his vote. These two people had no qualms about me hearing every word they said. While I am not the type of person that is ever easily intimidated and there was no way in hell they were going to "change" the way I voted, I do think it was outrageous they were willing to have this conversation right next to me. Does anyone else think this might have been a form of voter intimidation? I wonder how many people listened to this conversation and if it had any effect on them?

On Edit: So you don't think I have done nothing about this, I did email this information to Kerry's brother Cameron the day after the election! I have heard NOTHING since!

You can contact them at: https://voteprotect.org/?jsc=1 or call 1-866-our-vote. It is a national listing of voting problems throughout the country.

I emailed this info to them. I'm not sure if it can help, but at least someone else now has this information.

I called Westword this morning to ask why they weren't doing anything. I was told that they need an original angle, and also that they need more local or regional, not national stories. I had read your post earlier this morning so I asked her if someone like you should contact them and she said yes, send your info to editorial@westword.com. She (Patti Calhoun) told me she had checked that email six times today already. PLEASE give it a try!

I had a sick kid this morning had to get him to the doctor1 I have emailed Patti w/ this information.

on C-Span2 yesterday and I got the impression they were arguing to review votes again. It might have been those specific votes (I missed the very beginning) but I got the impression the arguments were over how the votes were counted not specifically that they got switched. Then they seemed to focus on what the word canvassing meant. I couldn't tell from the judges questions how they viewed the arguments. They said they would give their decision this week (probably Wednesday). They seemed fair and impartial.

the Washington Gubernatorial.

and missed out on the topic. Thanks for setting me straight.

DU, and was quickly straighrtened out! :))

The challengers allege unlawful ballots were added to the total and legally cast ballots were altered. Without listing specific evidence, the complaint alleges 130,656 votes for Kerry and John Edwards in 36 counties were somehow switched to count for the Bush-Cheney ticket.

The complaint also cites several reports of Election Day problems, including people who allegedly saw their vote "hop" to Bush on touch-screen machines after they voted for Kerry.

If the court decides to hear the challenge, it can declare a new winner or throw out the results.

"While the existence of anomalies could possibly be explained by human error or technical malfunctions, the fact that, in every case in Ohio known to the contestors, the error favored the Bush-Cheney ticket, strongly indicates manipulation or fraud," the challengers said in a court filing.

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I AM SO FUCKING PISSED

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Congressional Democrats sent a letter to the governor on Monday, asking him to delay the electoral vote or at least consider the results unofficial until the disputes are resolved.

"The vote is required to move forward by law, and it will more forward," Taft spokesman Orest Holubec said. "The vote has been certified by the secretary of state, and all of the valid provisionals have been counted."

Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, said that for the challengers' accusations to be true, officials of both parties would have had to conspire to throw the election.

"That's simply a ridiculous assertion," he said.

"officials of both parties would have had to conspire to throw the election."

Yes, that is simply a ridiculous assertion, but that's not what anyone is asserting is it? Via the 'magic' of computers, it only takes a few people to rig an election.

And what about the fact that voter suppression in strong democratic precincts would have more than likely overcame *'s 119,000 vote lead??

We must work to get this election Contested by Congress on January 6th. If all we hope for is for people to know what really happened during the next four years -- that is all we will get. (This is very, very important - but I am not willing to settle for this just yet).

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Will a Senator step forward and ask for it?

In 2000 the Congressional Black Caucus begged for a Senator to stand with them and NONE came forward.

It was one of the most shameful moments of our history. And I would like to see a complete cycle of our Democratic Senators because of this. New unbought blood might be essential for our Republic to survive.

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I wish they were clearer about who they're talking about. They say the allegations aren't specific enough, but they just call us "dissidents" and mention "lawsuits" and aren't specific about who or what groups.

The court did not act on their request before the electors cast their ballots.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson and attorney Cliff Arnebeck of the Massachusetts-based Alliance for Democracy accused President Bush's campaign of "high-tech vote stealing

Jackson said the challengers noticed Bush generally received more votes in counties that use optical-scan voting machines and questioned whether the machines were calibrated to record votes for Bush.

Critics of the election claim there were disparities in vote totals for Democrats, too few voting machines in Democrat-leaning precincts, organized campaigns directing voters to the wrong polling place and confusion over the counting of provisional ballots by voters whose names did not appear in the records at polling places.

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Remember that he is speaking for Blackwell, so whatever LoPoro is saying, think of it as coming directly from Blackwell's mouth.

... officials of both parties would have had to conspire to throw the election. That's simply a ridiculous assertion."

It was considered more than ridiculous when the majority of the world asserted that Iraq had no WMD. As for Mr. Taft, the vast majority of people are being told this election is over, and they don't have the intelligence or the initiative, or both, to investigate and learn the truth for themselves. Mr. Taft's proclamation is a very sad statement of the American rollover mentality.

same old allegatiosn by Arnebeck...but we need proof...

Until someone brings out witnesses to vote rigging, or a programmer finds bad code in one of those machines...we got nothing but suspicions.

are not informed about this stolen election, either, thanks to the news lockdown by a secretive, controlling, corrupt administration.

Duh.