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althecat

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:17 PM
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Where Did * Suddenly Get 8 Million New Voters...

I think this election was stolen. And here's why... on the face of things Kerry received as many votes as Gore received in 2000, in addition he received around 3 million odd new votes (thanks to the GOTV campaign) and probably there was another 1 million odd votes lost in vote suppression...

But on the other side of the agenda Bush - according to the poll - has somehow found around 7 million new voters.

Now whatever you think about the exit polls one thing was clear pretty much across the board... independent voters voted more for Kerry than for Bush.

So where the hell did Bush get 7 million extra votes from... There is anecdotal evidence of lots of former bush voters voting for Kerry too.. so lets call it 8 million new votes from?

There was no evidence of a huge republican mobilisation to register new voters. Instead there was evidence of them signing up democrats and then destroying and spoiling the ballot.

Think about it. If the Bush Cheney campaign had really signed up 8 million odd new republican voters... wouldn't they have been telling us about it. Yelling it on the front page of every newspaper.

Somewhere in the election statistics is the answer to a simple question... where were Bush's 8 million new voters.... find them and you find where this election was stolen.

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althecat

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:19 PM
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1. Just noticed this... first evidence from Broward County

Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 03:22 PM by althecat

From this thread...

KelleyKramer
Computer machines in Broward say Bush surged 33% in votes!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x15044

County........2000 2004 Increase

Broward
Gore/Kerry...386k 441k 14%
Bush...........177k 236k 33%

Dade
Gore/Kerry...328k 381k 17%
Bush...........289k 324k 12%

Palm Beach
Gore/Kerry...268k 275k 2.6%
Bush...........152k 174k 14.5%

Why did Bush get 70,000 new votes in Broward County while Kerry only got 60,000?
Where was the Republican Registration/GOTV campaign in Broward county?

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Expat_Kristen

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Mon Nov-08-04 11:17 AM
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39. I did this research yesterday for every county in Florida

Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 11:20 AM by VictoryForKerry2004

some of your numbers are off but the idea is still the same. 

on edit: all this information was available at the Florida
Dept. of State website and CNN.com's certified results of the
2000 election.
_______________________________


 
Posted Sunday, Nov 7.

Okay, I just computed Florida county-by-county results for
Bush votes in 2000, 2004, difference, and precentage
difference. (I think this is what you wanted...)

First of all, in most counties Bush gained around 30-35% of
votes in this election than he had in 2000. 

His top 3 gains were in the following counties:

Sumter 63.2%
Osceola 64.3%
Dixie 64.37%

His least 3 gains were in the following counties:

Jefferson 8.45%
Miami-Dade 9.0%
Monroe 21.16%

Unfortunately, I didn't find any correlation between these
results and voting methods in those  counties. I'm not a
statistician, so maybe others can find more interesting
anamolies. I don't know how to explain the wide margins here
at all. 

County	       2004	2000	Difference	Gain
Alachua	       47,615	34,062	13,553	        0.39789207915
Baker	       7,738	5,610	2128	        0.37932263815
Bay	       53,388	38,682	14706	        0.38017682643
Bradford       7,553	5,413	2140	        0.39534454092
Brevard	       152,838	115,253	37585	        0.32610864793
Broward	       243,699	177,279	66420	        0.37466366575
Calhoun	       3,780	2,873	907	        0.31569787678
Charlotte      44,402	35,419	8983	        0.25362093791
Citrus	       39,498	29,801	9697	        0.32539176538
Clay           61,881	41,903	19978	        0.47676777319
Collier	       83,485	60,467	23018	        0.38067044834
Columbia       16,753	10,968	5785	        0.52744347192
DeSoto	       5,512	4,256	1256	        0.29511278195
Dixie	       4,433	2,697	1736	        0.64367816092
Duval          219,251	152,460	66791	        0.438088679
Escambia       93,367	73,171	20196	        0.27601098796
Flagler	       19,632	12,618	7014	        0.55587256301
Franklin       3,472	2,454	1018	        0.41483292584
Gadsden	       6,253	4,770	1483	        0.31090146751
Gilchrist      4,934	3,300	1634	        0.49515151515
Glades	       2,443	1,841	602	        0.32699619772
Gulf	       4,794	3,553	1241	        0.34928229665
Hamilton       2,792	2,147	645	        0.30041918957
Hardee	       5,047	3,765	1282	        0.34050464807
Hendry         5,756	4,747	1009	        0.21255529808
Hernando       40,137	30,658	9479	        0.30918520451
Highlands      25,874	20,207	5667	        0.28044736972
Hillsborough   244,606	180,794	63812	        0.35295419096
Holmes	       6,410	5,012	1398	        0.27893056664
Indian River   36,869	28,639	8230	        0.28737036908
Jackson	       12,115	9,139	2976	        0.32563737827
Jefferson      3,298	3,041	257	        0.084511673792
Lafayette      2,460	1,670	790	        0.47305389222
Lake	       74,382	50,010	24372	        0.48734253149
Lee	       144,414	106,151	38263	        0.36045821518
Leon	       51,594	39,073	12521	        0.32045146265
Levy	       10,408	6,863	3545	        0.51653795716
Liberty	       1,927	1,317	610	        0.46317388003
Madison	       4,196	3,038	1158	        0.38117182357
Manatee	       81,272	58,023	23249	        0.40068593489
Marion	       81,267	55,146	26121	        0.47366989446
Martin	       41,350	33,972	7378	        0.21717885317
Miami-Dade     358,613	328,867	29746	        0.090449938729
Monroe	       19,462	16,063	3399	        0.21160430804
Nassau	       23,732	16,408	7324	        0.44636762555
Okaloosa       69,654	52,186	17468      	0.33472578853
Okeechobee     6,987	5,057	1930	        0.38164919913
Orange	      192,390	134,531	57859	        0.43007931257
Osceola	       43,108	26,237	16871	        0.6430232115
Palm Beach     211,894	152,964	58930	        0.3852540467
Pasco	       103,198	68,607	34591	        0.50419053449
Pinellas       225,627	184,849	40778	        0.22060168029
Polk	       123,532	90,310	33222	        0.36786623851
Putnam	       18,305	13,457	4846	        0.36010997994
Santa Rosa	51,988	36,339	15659	        0.43091444454
Sarasota	104,630	83,117	21513	        0.25882791727
Seminole	108,126	75,790	32336	        0.42665259269
St. Johns	59,178	39,564	19614	        0.4957537155
St. Lucie	47,519	34,705	12814	        0.36922633626
Sumter	        19,795	12,127	7668	        0.6323080729
Suwannee	11,153	8,009	3144	        0.39255837183
Taylor	        5,466	4,058	1408	        0.34696895022
Union	       3,396	2,332	1064	        0.45626072041
Volusia	       111,544	82,368	29176	        0.35421522922
Wakulla   	6,777	4,512	2265	        0.50199468085
Walton	        17,553	12,186	5367	        0.44042343673
Washington	7,368	4,995	2373	        0.47507507508

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autorank

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Mon Nov-08-04 07:22 PM
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43. This is amazing. Thank you. This fails the "reasonableness test"

Thats an accounting term that means it simply doesn't make any sense. It was supposed to be a divided electorate, particularly in Florida. Given that, how did * get all these increases. This is extremely compelling.

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

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Kipepeo

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:19 PM
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2. He bought them from Diebold

n/t

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leftyandproud

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:21 PM
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3. GAY MARRIAGE motivated the FUNDIES

Studies showed that 20 million christian fundies didn't vote last election...Looks like Bush motivated a big chunk of them this time with the partial birth abortion ban and promises of the gay marriage ammendment. I think the coming weeks will show this to be the case.

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althecat

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:24 PM
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6. Where is the evidence of the biggest Christian Fundie mobilisation

... in history. And how come it showed up in Broward County Florida?

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Birthmark

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:28 PM
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11. Not in FL, he didn't.

There was no gay marriage amendment on the ballot here. Thanks for playing. :)

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Eye and Monkey

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:35 PM
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16. that talking point is just the latest kool-aide

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buckettgirl

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Wed Nov-03-04 05:30 PM
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29. agreed

Last night on CNN, they were talking about who was standing in line waiting to vote. Of course, the general consensus was that all the long lines and new voter turnout would be from people who want change "who stands in line for more of the same" was a typical theme. However, an interesting point was brought up. Apparently it was thought that at least 4 million evangelical voters didn't vote last election, but that they could be voting now, for more of the same. It would seem that the massive voter turn out would have been due to that select group of people voting for "morality" (haha) and more of the same....

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tngledwebb

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Thu Nov-04-04 06:03 AM
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34. Don't you believe it....

The 'Morality' issue is BushCo propaganda, to institute their final solution POSTHASTE.

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stickdog

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Mon Nov-08-04 05:39 AM
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36. But they were all scared to talk to the exit pollster?

:eyes:

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July

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Mon Nov-08-04 11:11 AM
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38. What studies are those? nt

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Sparkle

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:21 PM
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4. I still can't believe it either.

Think back on all those hundreds of thousands of protestors in NY during the repuke convention. You could count about 10 for each of those protectors that wanted to be there but couuldn't.

This does not seem right. There has GOT to be an investigation!

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ClassWarrior

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:24 PM
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5. Don't forget - JE promised to make sure EVERY vote is counted.

I have a feeling HE has a feeling there's something rotten in Florida and Ohio.

NGU.

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althecat

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:25 PM
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9. So do I... his words sounded very determined...

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Bernardo de La Paz

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:25 PM
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7. I don't think the modest increase in the recorded vote matches the lines.

There were huge lines around the block. There were estimates of increases in turnout that seem to be about double the increases in votes.

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Kukesa

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:29 PM
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12. I don't think so, either Bernardo

Here in Ohio the lines were long. In the small county of Gallia the last vote was cast at 3:30 am; some people waited for 10 hours to vote.

And, normally, people don't wait for 10 hours to cast a vote for more of the same.

Something's fishy.

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althecat

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:32 PM
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14. Give us some 2000 / 2004 comparisons from your county....

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Fridays Child

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:25 PM
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8. Two words

Die Bold

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althecat

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:39 PM
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18. Very good mary... but actually that's one word....:)

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:26 PM
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10. Of course it was stolen- Palast told us how

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althecat

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:31 PM
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13. A couple of emails from suspicious voters...

Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 03:31 PM by althecat

FROM TOM

Why would the Florida exit polls disagree so sharply with the reported results? Why would all the new registrants, identified as Kerry voters, vote Bush? What is the correlation between Diebold machines and election surprises? Could the warnings of the Diebold techs that the voting machines were tamper friendly be the explanation? The following e-mail is from Eleanor Dunfey-Freiburger, founder of Global Citizens Circle.

Subject: Another wake up call!

This came to me from my friend in Austin, Texas. Yesterday a friend voted early at a polling location in Austin.

She voted straight Democratic. When she did the final check, lo and behold every vote was for the Democratic candidates except that it showed that she had voted for Bush/Cheney for president/vice pres.

She immediately got a poll official. On her vote, it was corrected. She called the Travis County Democratic headquarters. They took all her information. They told her that she wasn't the first to report a similar incident and that they are looking into it.

So, check before you leave the polling booth, and if anything is wrong, get it corrected immediately.

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mountainvue

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:33 PM
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15. Diebold. n/t

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althecat

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:37 PM
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17. Daily Kos seems to have noticed the same problem in Florida

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/52213/1921

Florida numbers vs 2000 - something is wrong
by BuckMulligan
Wed Nov 3rd, 2004 at 02:22:13 PST

2000 2004
Bush 2,912,790 Bush 3,836,216
Gore 2,912,253 Kerry 3,459,293
Nader 97,421 Nader 32,035
Other 40,193 Other 28,382
= 7,355,296 (2004) - 5,963,657 (2000) = 1,392,639 new voters (99% precincts counted, no provisionals or absentees).

So, we have 1.39 million new voters, and Kerry loses by 376,923 votes? Thus, he lost an overwhelming majoirty of them, or he lost an overwhelming majority of regular voters - much, much more than Gore lost.

We have 77,197 fewer third party votes, but Kerry loses the vast majority of these?

Exit polling numbers show that Kerry had more Hispanic and Cuban support than Gore did, and Kerry lost?

Most exit polls in Florida showed Kerry leading, yet he loses by a massive 5%?

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donhakman

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:41 PM
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19. ya think?

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DaveofCali

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:47 PM
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22. I think we have witnessed the most well planned election theft in history

Some of us knew that there was something wrong, Karl Rove was keeping too quiet.... He must've been very confident for that one reason.

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nolabels

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:57 PM
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26. Just what I thought when Karl laid under that plane tire

Bin laden appearing was part of the smoke screen. When I heard of them people who's vote was changed to Bush after they went straight Dem you had to figure it
.
I knew that what was happing and Colorado proved that's what they did.

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MikePorter

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Wed Nov-03-04 05:29 PM
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28. I agree

I agree

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newyawker99

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Mon Nov-08-04 06:45 PM
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41. Hi MikePorter!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

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texastoast

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:42 PM
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20. Paperless electronic voting machines?

Manufactured in Ohio?

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donkeyotay

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:46 PM
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21. they stole it

Published on Thursday, August 28, 2003 by the Cleveland Plain Dealer

Voting Machine Controversy

by Julie Carr Smyth

COLUMBUS - The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush - prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election.

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saluki00

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:48 PM
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23. in IL

I know where he got the votes in my precinct, people that haven’t voted in three elections. I was a poll watcher in a precinct that didn’t matter, in a county that didn’t matter, in a state that was going blue a long time ago (Illinois). We had a 75% turnout, and some of the people had not voted since 96 or earlier. The precinct went to Bush as well as the county, and they both went to Gore in 2000.

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althecat

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:56 PM
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25. Thanks.. Which county was that?

Thanks saluki, can you provide some more info. Which county, which precinct and a 2000 vs 2004 vote comparison?

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newyawker99

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Mon Nov-08-04 06:46 PM
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42. Hi saluki00!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

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nolabels

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Wed Nov-03-04 03:50 PM
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24. The fix was in

JFK gave up also so. The moneyed elitist gave us sham to steal this election, many here could of figured this was coming. They might of destroyed the process and we might find out how they did it exactly (like in 2000). This is the end of machine politics, this will never happen again.

The DLC is dead and we warned them before they did this to us. Now it's time for them to pay the piper. I am never going to support any other incumbent. Congress critters should be put on notice today. I heard several people say we don't even need a party, just real candidates. Most of the people I see running don't even represent any of the views I have. Do they represent any of yours?

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althecat

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Wed Nov-03-04 05:25 PM
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27. get back up there... we haven't found those 8 million votes yet...

Please DUers... post 2000 vs 2004 comparisons for your states... we need to find the 8 million fresh bushies...

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mzmolly

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Wed Nov-03-04 05:35 PM
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30. He pandered to the far right. Face it all, Americans love war.

They love the "good vs. evil" bullshit. The bought the lines from this admin hook, line and sinker.

Remember when Rove got the names/addresses of Church goers across the nation? What do you think they did with that information?

Bush got 70% of regular church goers in this election as opposed to 30% in 2000.

That ought to clue us in.

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scottxyz

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Wed Nov-03-04 05:37 PM
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31. From Diebold, Sequioa, ES&S, ChoicePoint, Sproul...

and other proud sponsors of "the best democracy money can buy"!

Onion-style details here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x16718

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althecat

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Wed Nov-03-04 06:29 PM
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32. What I want... a chart with 2000 vote compared to 2004 vote

Anyone got one?

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althecat

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Wed Nov-03-04 08:56 PM
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33. Kick... still no explanations of where those votes are....

Surely someone has done the maths on this... we have found 1 million of em in FLorida.. there is seven more million to go...

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tngledwebb

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Thu Nov-04-04 06:08 AM
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35. Kick.

But any way to make the math and probability issues clearer for numerically challenged appreciated.

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Faun Otter

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Mon Nov-08-04 11:41 AM
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40. Rural surge versus Suppression in cities

I have been reading the analysis of vote swings versus registration. I think people are barking up the wrong tree to a degree. I mapped vote swings by county and the creeping Dixecrat swing in rural counties shows up well. There are islands of Democrats in cities and university counties.

This approach did lead me to examine Collier versus Broward more closely. I think these should show similar Republican and democrat swings due having the same machines, similar demographics and similar spatial position. However, these adjoining counties show the same Rep vote increase but one has 46% and the other has 16% vote growth for the Democrats.

This looks out of line and cannot be explained by the creeping growth of rural support for the Republicans. The map helps visualize the placement of the various high swing counties. Hardee looks suspect but the panhandle/armpit counties are clustered in a way that makes sense.

I have posted my map on the Bartcop forum and it can be viewed by going to this link and clicking the icon at the bottom of my post.

http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&f...

A surge in rural votes won't help if you get a good turn out in the vastly more populated counties that support Kerry. Take a look at my spreadsheets of Florida. they arelinked at the bottom of this post:

http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=2&topic_id=336528

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37. kick

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