Conyers asks for 1 million emails re: forum/hearings?

Someone just called me and said they'd heard on our local public radio station that Congr. Conyers had asked for 1 million emails demanding that the House Judiciary Committee hold full hearings on the 2004 Election, and that folks should email at: www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/contact.html

I've been out of the loop for some hours. Does anyone have more details? Has this already been covered here? Are we working on it? If so, where can I find it (and why hasn't it been kicked?).

If this is, indeed, a specific request from Congr. Conyers, or from anyone involved in the Ohio investigation, we should get on it right away. DU would be a good place to organize such a campaign.

But if it's just someone else's idea of what should be done, then maybe we should discuss strategy. I really can't tell from the report I got.

If you were able to get a million people to send an email right now, who would it be to?

Full hearings is a long range project, right? --whereas our immediate problems/deadlines are: current lack of media coverage (Dem Party failure to fight; ambiguity of Kerry position); current Ohio recount/lawsuits, and recounts in other states; states' Electors being certified; Jan. 6 Congress certifying the election, getting Dem Senator(s) to sign black House members' petition not certify, etc.

Not that we couldn't organize a million email project to say, two or even three addressees, with the same letter. For instance, to Kerry, DNC and House Judiciary Dems: 1) You must not acquiesce to Congress certifying the OH Electors; 2) There must be a full investigation.

On the other hand, targeting Ohio and national media with a million emails right now might help Alliance/Greens (judges do read the newspapers!). Or, a million emails to Keith O. praising his coverage?

Thoughts?

Can anyone verify the Conyers request?

or do we just hit our email lists?

Rep. Conyers,

I urge you to continue your important hearings on the 2004 Election.

I was disappointed that your 12/13/04 hearings weren't televised or available online. It's important that all Americans have an opportunity to see what is happening and the main stream media steadfastly continues to have a blackout on the problems in the election in more states than just Ohio.

I want to thank you for your courageous oversight of election fraud/manipulation that serves to steal democracy from the American people.

This isn't a partisan issue and I'm amazed that there are no Republican representatives taking a stand to preserve our Constitution.

I've never been politically involved until this year other than voting. I'm amazed that our votes are discarded so easily as a matter of course. Voters waited 4 hours in Ohio and 10 hours in an Ohio college. Would they bother to vote again if they knew their vote would be trashed?

There are many citizens who are watching to see which of our representatives defend our democracy. You, sir, are at the top of that list. I respect and commend your fight for our votes.

Whatever happens with the '04 election, it's obvious that real election reform is urgently needed. At this moment it appears that 2 presidential elections have been stolen, usurping the will of the people, and violating our Constitution.

We, the people, need a constitutional amendment that explicitly states we have a right to vote. Federal elections need to be protected by the federal government, not the states. There has to be a law prohibiting an election official having any part in a political campaign.

I know what you've heard in your hearings. If you are as outraged as anyone who knows the truth, you must continue in this fight for fair election practices. What happened has to be exposed or it will happen again in '06, in '08 and beyond. We need fair, transparent elections, where every vote counts. We need voting equipment that isn't owned and run by partisan private corporations who cloak their methodology in secrecy, with no oversight. We need a paper trail for every vote.

Please, please, please, continue your hearings, Rep. Conyers. The future of our democracy depends on it, if it's not already too late.

Sincerely,
xxxx

I wish I had read it before I sent mine.

I hope it does some good!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

When I sent mine the other day, it hung up for a long, long time but finally went. Try again and be patient.

Feel free to use it, or any part of it. I'll try to track down the DU site of previous discussion this morning--to see if there is an action plan. Meanwhile, I'd say, go for it. Do it yourself. Send out to everyone you know. Re: Internet Explorer--just try again. Mine sometimes crashes, too--especially when it's been loaded for a long time and I've opened a lot of pages.

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Sent at:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/contact.html

Dear Congressman Conyers and Members of the House Judiciary Committee:

There is no more important issue facing our country than whether or not the 2004 election was honest, aboveboard and transparent, and whether or not the results of that election are correct.

There is overwhelming evidence of grave irregularities in the 2004 election, including extensive vote suppression against minority voters in violation of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, non-transparency in electronic voting, misbehavior or illegal acts by partisan Republican voting officials, and numerous expert analyses of various sets of data pointing to widespread vote stealing. (These studies include, for instance, electronic vs. paper voting, Exit Polls vs. official results, and top of the ticket vs. lower ticket, and conclude with astronomical odds against the official outcomes.)

The House Judiciary Committee should undertake a full investigation of the 2004 Election. Congress should not allow the Ohio Electors for President Bush to be certified until a full investigation of all election irregularities has been conducted.

Further, a particular issue that must be addressed is partisan Republican control over the secret source code that runs central electronic vote tabulation across the country, and over particular voting machines, and the lack of a paper trail. These conditions are made to order for fraud, and at the very least are inspiring widespread questioning of the legitimacy of our government, already under a cloud from the 2000 Election.

Both Democrats and Republicans, and all Americans, have a vital interest in the transparency of our elections and the legitimacy of our government. Power that is wrongfully achieved is brittle and vulnerable. The power of consensus is far sturdier, as the Founders of our Republic understood. The consent of the governed, and a balance of power, are the bedrocks of our democracy. Without them, our country will fail. Please act to restore those bedrocks: consent and balance!

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Sounds like a good idea either way.

maybe a blast or several to msm about all of the above?

it's the propaganda corporation/media that's suffocating the truth.

btw, this request also went out on the media rapid-response networks today too.

i think it's to TRY to jolt/engage republicans on the judiciary committee, who'd sooner allow massive, organized fraud(crime) than lose a little personal power.

thank you for posting this!


peace!

I couldn't find the DU one I saw earlier today.

This CGCS thread has other links for sending emails quickly. Thanks.

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=10075&hl=
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Rep. John Conyers feels he needs a million e-mails to compel the House Judiciary Committee to hold hearings about the 2004 election.

I appeal to spread this message among your list of liberal friends and associates.

Go here and tell the Judiciary Committee you want hearings on Ohio!
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/contact.html

Sample letter:

To the House Judiciary Committee:

I am writing to urge the House Judiciary Committee to hold hearings as soon as possible on the irregularities of the 2004 election. I need not remind the Judiciary Committee members that the Unites States is a beacon of democracy for the rest of the world.

If we truly wish to remain the embodiment of democratic values, then we must treat the right of every citizen to vote and for their vote to count as sacred. Ample evidence has arisen that this right was violated or undermined for many Americans in the 2004 election.

I strongly believe that holding hearings to investigate and resolve these irregularities would be an act of tremendous patriotism on the part of Congress, and would serve as a declaration that we are the world's greatest democracy not only in word,but in deed.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/10/8412/7131

Daily Kos

Senator Conyers is the ONLY Democrat who has done ANYTHING about this
election fiasco.

(Please let me know if I've missed something...)

There is a GAO (General Accounting Office) investigation into the election.

If you'd like this supported, and other statements and actions on the recount,
correcting voting procedures and reclaiming democracy,

please call: Congress 800 839-5276

Reverend Jackson, Representatives Jackson Lee, Tubbs Jones, Jackson Jr, Waters, Strickland...
Attorney Arnebeck...

and many, many more are deeply involved in this struggle.

there is quite a lot posted in DU on Rep Conyers' hearings, and all the many Democratic participants working tirelessly on this.


peace!

protocol to follow in the interest of staying organized and being effective.

No one is trying to give all the "credit" to one person.

Let's try and work together and get the job done.

"Senator Conyers is the ONLY Democrat who has done ANYTHING about this
election fiasco."

so, who is being divisive?

so, yes, let's "work together" and no more slams like that.


peace!

your error, or apologize for it, or be humble enough to care the slur it is, just chill.
your post does also say: "(Please let me know if I've missed something...)"

so, i did. and now get this - "geeze" - from you?

my comment is far more to support the many your comment (or your posted quote without quote marks or attribution) invalidates than to try to reach through to (geeze) you.

thank you.

now,

peace

Message: This citizen respectfully requests that a hearing by the Judiciary Committee on Election 2004 be held ASAP. I believe that this hearing is necessary to begin a process of accountability of election officials all over the country. It appears to this citizen that most election officials control little fiefdoms accountable to no one; this is unAmerican. Some investigation and changes need to be made before one more American election is held here that compares the "process" in our country to a "banana Republic"! Perhaps it is time to explore successful methods of voting used by other countries, for instance, India? Word is that their voting machines are impeccable. Perhaps we should outsource our vote?

Message:Our precious Nation and Democracy itself can only be saved if each and every citizen has the right to vote and that vote counted! Please exercise every possible effort that justice is served, every vote and attempted vote counted, and equally important, the perpetrators of ELECTION fraud prosecuted. You are America's last hope!

I thank Rep. Conyers for his superb leadership during this critical moment in our nation's history. I watched the first hearing on C-SPAN and listened to yesterday's hearing on the Internet. Every vote must count. And every vote must be counted (once). I have completely lost faith in our election system and pray that your leadership can help restore democracy of, by, and for the people.

Conyers is not a wacky DJ, he's a fine Congressman.

Let's assume this is bullshit until we see it on Conyers's website.

1. We know that Conyers couldn't get Repugs to do a hearing, so he had to do a forum instead. He WANTS a full hearing. We know that.

2. CSPAN dropped coverage of the second forum! Pressure is needed both for media attention, and for moving Dems and any honest Republicans that might exist. Conyers clearly needs support and pressure.

3. What is the harm in sending him a letter of support for a full hearing--even if he didn't ask for one? (--and there is actually good evidence--a news report--that he did).

4. You will notice on the Conyers Judiciary contact site that he doesn't list "2004 Election Fraud" or any similar topic, even though he's thickly involved in putting on these forums and investigating. Such a request for emails wouldn't necessarily be put there--it would more likely go out to grass roots groups and blog sites, and via the news.

5. I have little doubt that Conyers said something to this effect--that he needs support to get full hearings. Maybe someone else translated it to "1 million emails." So what?

6. Much good could be done--and no harm.

This is a ridiculous thing to be naysaying. In fact, Congressmen ARE "DJs"--as are all politicians. They MUST have big numbers of support in order to do their job!

say "Peace Patriot calls for a million emails."

Don't borrow other people's names for your own purposes, no matter how good you believe them to be .

I've heard this request on MSM a couple days ago. Must be true!

:)

If the skeptics want to verify the request w/ Conyers' staff, nothing is stopping them . But they should stop trying to discourage others.

I request that the House Judiciary Committee hold full hearings on the 2004 Election, the evidence is mounting that a concerted effort by partisans have caused a inaccurate vote count. Our democracy is fragile and very citizen as well as elected officals need to be diligent in the protection of citizen’s rights. A most important right is the right to have our votes counted, as cast. In the election of 2004 our votes have not be counted as cast, nor has the right to vote been upheld for many minorities. We need to right this injustice by holding those who want to subvert our democracy accountable. Please act now.

Yours Truly,

When a million emails arrive, you don't think they'll read dissertations, right?

"Message: I demand an immediate and full Congressional investigation into the election irregularities, particularly, but not limited to, in Ohio. Your legitimacy depends upon the faith of the people that elections are free, fair, and transparent. You will not have that faith without an investigation."

I tend to be much too wordy!

is important. We all should be taking time out of our schedule's to write a few words stating our concerns to those who represent us. They work for us people we pay their checks we keep them in office, were the constituents!! We really hold the power, SO let's remind them we do by making them accountable to each and every one of us.

We have more power than many of us believe. USE IT!!

Congressional emails are set up to receive many emails. That is one their purposes--to gauge public interest in an issue by the sheer number of emails.

They are generally organized into topics, so staff can easily determine what the public is interested in, and in what numbers...

...as is Conyers' Judiciary contact page--it has a list of topics, and a blank to fill in any topic not listed. Don't ignore this! Type in: "2004 Election Fraud hearing" or something similar, so Conyers and staff can easily see what it's about.

They DO read some of them, probably not all. The purpose of a more detailed letter is to give them your overall perspective on the issue, give them facts, and let them know you're knowledgeable and following the issue closely (not just a rote email).

ANOTHER IMPORTANT PURPOSE of a more detailed letter is to use the letter elsewhere--to news media, to letters to ed, to friends and relatives and email lists--that is, to INFORM others who may not know, what the facts are, what it's about. It makes this purpose a bit more formal to say, "Here is my letter to Congr. Conyers...etc."

It may be that snail mail gets more attention (staff more likely to read it?). I'm not sure if this is true any more. (How do YOU react when you get a formal hardcopy letter, as opposed to an email?). But email is QUICKER--on a time sensitive issue like this.

"...Full hearings is a long range project, right? --whereas our immediate problems/deadlines..."

From my post, above. This is a REAL question of mine--ARE full hearings a long range project, or could they happen SOON?

I don't know the answer to this. Anyone know?

Long or short range, a full hearing is VERY IMPORTANT, and is related to the issue of Congress certifying the election Jan. 6.

I sent an e-mail to 20 people I know asking them to do the same, with a couple of sample letters. I also asked them to pass it on to others. Let's spread the word.

:kick:

Message: Please continue the election fraud hearings! The theft of yet another election is the most pressing issue facing us today and one that requires our immediate, undivided attention. After all, nothing else matters if our democracy is dead.

PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS DIE!! Until laws are passed to ensure this NEVER happens again and until the responsible parties are in jail, we cannot rest!

Thank you for your hard work and passion!

n/t

n/t

I called Conyers' office in DC, talked to a legislative aide, and got the following answers:

1. Is Conyers attempting to get a full Congressional hearing on 2004 election fraud? Yes.

2. Is it a long term project? Yes. If it occurs, not likely before Jan. 20 inauguration.

3. Does Conyers need support for call for a full hearing? Yes.

4. Did Conyers issue this specific request for 1 million emails of support? No--but he welcomes all support on this matter.

Conclusion:

It seems to me ESSENTIAL to support what Conyers has already done--the Congressional forums he held on Dec. 8 and Dec. 13, and his strong advocacy of investigation--with the short term goal of the letter NOW being support for a House Democratic challenge of the Ohio certification on Jan. 6, and getting one or more Senators to sign that House petition, and the long term goal being a full Congressional hearing and investigation, whether or not either of the short term goals succeeds.

Send emails to:
www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/contact.html

Conyers' staff list, with fax, tel & snail mail address:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/about/staff.html

Perry Apelbaum, Minority Chief Counsel
Dena Graziano, Communications Director

2142 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
phone: 202-225-6504
fax: 202-225-4423

Other Conyers Staff tel/fax:

phone: 202-225-6906
fax: 202-225-7680

phone: 202-225-2022
fax: 202-225-1845

would be moveon.org. But, they seem more concerned with saving Michael Moore at the moment.

...meanwhile, let's proceed with informal networks, and Internet actions.

Given this new information--that a full hearing is not likely before Jan. 20--here's an edit for changing the emphasis of my letter (posted above)--basically, moving the action paragraph up:

Dear Congressman Conyers and Members of the House Judiciary Committee:

Congress should not allow the Ohio Electors for President Bush to be certified until a full investigation of all 2004 election irregularities has been conducted. The House Judiciary Committee should immediately hold full hearings on the 2004 Election, and undertake a thorough investigation.

(Thence to… “There is no more important issue facing our country than whether or not the 2004 election was honest, aboveboard and transparent, and whether or not the results of that election are correct….etc.)
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Anybody have an easy way to contact MoveOn.org? Or a suggestion for another group that might spearhead a big email letter effort?

Letters (with similar content) should also go to: Kerry, Edwards, the K/E campaign, all Dem Senators and House members, the DNC and the media.

I've posted to the MoveOn forum, sent it to L.A. Greens & will post it to a couple of other forums I read. That's about a gillion people <g>.

Can someone send it to Bartcop? I can do that if no one has yet.

They know how to get the word out and they are not afraid to MARCH!

eom

Things are happening very quickly today. Congr. Maxine Waters (D-Los Angeles) said on Randi Rhodes Show today that black House Democrats WILL be challenging the election in Congress, Jan. 6--as per the House challenge in '00 (at that time, not to certify the Florida vote), when not one Senator, Dem or Rep, would sign their petition (famous scene in "F 9/11"). She said Ohio irregulaties were so bad "It cannot be ignored." (She'd just come back from Conyers hearings and was blown away by how bad it all was.) For more on Waters interview, see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=157555&mesg_id=157555

Letters needed now:

1. To Senators Kerry and Edwards, and progressive Senators like Barabara Boxer, to SIGN THE HOUSE PETITION NOT TO CERTIFY THE OHIO VOTE (and any other states that are challenged). And to ALL Senators (why let any off the hook?).

2. To Maxine Waters, THANKING HER FOR LEADERSHIP AND COURAGE.

3. To Conyers, reinforce that House members should challenge the election, thank him for the hearings, and for leadership and courage, and support full Congressional investigation and hearings.

4. To other House members, and to media.

Voting Rights? Election Reform? Other? If it's other, is there a specific keyword I'm to use?

Anyone know?

I chose other and wrote it in. Peace.

takes a bit...

write again.

It took a while though. It's moving slowly.

www.domainofarnheim.com

Now I'm going to write Bartcop and ask him if he can help by posting it on his site.

Has anyone checked Democrats.com to see if the request is there?

We need to flood the Dem and Green and Independent sites with this request.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Now, I'm going to email Democrats.com.

:kick: