Bev Harris is talking live on the Randi Rhodes Show

Is anyone else hearing this? All I can say is... no comment.

Edited to add Bev's last name to the subject.

www.therandirhodesshow.com

And that people stated they were unable to get in touch with her.

listening now going to go self delete my post on this

Wonder what's up?

he got the same poor treatment many of her previous helpers receieved. I'll leave it for Andy to provide details if he so choses, as I have this second hand.

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nt

This doesn't sound good.

Next she's gonna fry her up...

What is up with her??

so a LOT of people donated to the Dems and didn't get the results they wanted - you gonna cry about getting your money back?

sorry if I'm shooting at the hip here, I don't mean to insult anyone, but Bev put the fricken E voting fraud up front when no one else before her was able to the extent she did. She has been working her arse off and getting incoming hostilities from all fronts.

but this is just my opinion, and wtf do I know, except you don't eat your own kind.

There is no time to compromise our position by allowing sentiment to get in the way. Everyone appreciates the contributions Bev made by getting this issue out into the spotlight, but if she is no longer trustworthy or capable of promoting the message is a reasonable and respectable fashion, then she should be cast aside in favor of someone, or some group, that is capable of doing so.

The issue is much greater than one person, and no slack should be cut if she is undermining the goal of getting hackable voting machines banned.

regular families or Bush/Rove 'families'.
You do not have your screaming arguments in your front street for all to hear. At least I don't.

:evilgrin:

Who can replace her? Who has the knowledge, contacts, etc she has?

Unity goes a long way.

Whatever went on in Florida may never be known if Bev is not following through, is over her head, and will not communicate with others nor delegate for help! This may not be the case, but all indications to me now are that it probably is. And I don't give a damn about the $$, even though I gave money I really could not afford. It is that we may well have lost an irretrievable opportunity and that may ultimately hurt our cause in a very real and very painful way.

One time I was pretty frustrated and basically said lead, delegate, or quit asking for volunteers. No response.

Sad situation.

regularjoe

Bev is not following through
==
Kerry hasn't either (as it appeared for a time), and I don't see quite the vitriole spewed in his direction the way Bev is getting it. Easier to blame the lil gal, I guess.

and will not communicate with others nor delegate for help!
==
who sez? I would imagine her phone calls/email are of an enormous load to handle while trying to 'work'.

What is hurting the cause is your Gladys Gravitz gossip mongering.

her to be. You can certainly count me among them. Attacking us for asking questions does not make it so. And, Kerry has been subject to much criticism as well. Discussing concerns is not, as you say "hurting the cause as "Gladys Kravitz (sic) gossip mongering."

Again, I hope she comes through. I will be among the very first to say I was wrong to doubt her if this should be the case. But sadly, she HAS given us reason to doubt. I think she is in well over her head and not able/willing to ask for help. I see all the signs, because I too have "been there." Fortunately, I learned from my mistakes without hurting others. I pray she will, as well.

Here's the DU-Bev history, if you haven't read it yet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=108750

(Warning: Long)

You probably want to read it and be fully informed of the history before you keep posting.

One time I was pretty frustrated and basically said lead, delegate, or quit asking for volunteers. No response.

Sad situation.

regularjoe

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And I've only been at BBV for a week or two more. But I have tried to contact Bev, tried to help Bev, and she hasn't responded. She is aware that her communication abilities are overloaded, so she needs to accept the hundreds of offers she received from volunteers to help her. People who have been with BBV for months before the election could be used to field questions and responded to emails and phone calls, making a log of their correspondance for Bev to review if needed and immediately passing along the important stuff. However, none of this has happened.

I don't agree with the accusation that Bev is using the money to make a movie. I'm pretty sure she isn't making a movie, other people are following her and making the movie. However, she isn't without fault and I have a hard time brushing it aside just because she was overwhelmed. She has had weeks to delegate but hasn't done so.

She probably doesn't deserve all the accusations about her but she does deserve some.

regularjoe

.....show me a receipt! :evilgrin:

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and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

However, I am sure that many people will come up with excuses as to Bev's behaviour.

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She thanks her team many times, I have read it.

You wouldn't have some kind of grudge against Bev to cloud your view of the bigger picture, now would you? sounds like it.

on this board, that it's her research, her Pulitzer-prize-deserving work. Hers, hers, hers.

a lot of other people who worked on this issue only to see Bev libel us and then start re-writing the history to cover herself in glory.

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Rove,?
DU,?
now I hear Rhandi is glorifying her.

I'll bet Bev is just Basking In It.

remember this gem from Bev posted right here at DU?

This was my work product, folks. My research. My time. My publicity efforts. My proofing. My structural editing (didn't get that, either). My fact checking. My Pulitzer-Prize deserving work.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1960084#1967764

who were the followers and the leaders on this bone we are chewing on here, on BBV? I'm open to education.

But I do say again, that the name Bev Harris with Election Fraud, opened my shut eyes wide like no else has done and I will never be disloyal to that - I don't care if she blew up bullfrogs with firecrackers as a kid, she's still The One.

so what has so changed? I recall a time when Bev was respected here and didn't have all this back biting (the it's not Bev, it's me me me me too bandwagon).

whatever, I tire of this. go your own way, mine is set.

mention of this problem back to 1986. Ronnie Dugger then covered it in 1988. Rebecca Mercuri started on it in 1990. I wrote a column that mentioned it in 1994. Bev got involved in it in 2002, and I offered to publish her book and act as tech consultant in the Fall of 2002.

Bev discovered the FTP site in January of 2003, but had no idea what it was and called me to explain it to her. (Compare chapter nine of the BBV book on my web site to the one on Bev's web site and you will get an example of the subtle way she changed the official record). Once she knew what they were, she still had no clue what to do about them until Roxanne Jekot put together a team of programmers, set up Bev's .org site (I was already running the .com site) and dissected the code. The next chapter was the Diebold email, which was sent to me. When I told Bev about it she had a fit and said it was a "trap" and she would have to have her lawyer "break" our contract to protect herself from me. Depending on which way the wind was blowing, I was either an idiot who endangered her or a shill working for Diebold to discredit her.

When Bev was finally convinced that the email was legit (because Wired also had a copy) she changed tac and started taking credit for it, though always letting other people host the info and build databases she could them search.

This has been discussed many times in the archives, have you READ any of the previous postings?

Bev was respected until she betrayed the people who helped her for fame and money.

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and I don't care if you know my name or not, to be honest.

You keep following your messiah.

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a co-author. He also published the original book.

about him was truly bizarre.

with her, but did not deny it, suggesting there is proably something going on. She was very coy about discussing Andy, but seemed to have been caught up in a less than truthful response when she implied Andy had been gone for some time with his sister's funeral and not available--and then Randi mentioned having spoken to him the very day he left for the funeral. The gist seemed to suggest that Andy's absence was being blamed for any confusion going on right now but that did not seem logical, when Randi indicated she'd been able to talk to him all along and not to Bev. ????

(Corrections to my interpretation invited. I am not intentionally misrepresenting, but this is how I took it)

I think she also said he's still working with her. What's wierd about that?

didn't seem to know he was not working with her anymore, then she publicly fires him tonight.

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Randi: "We donated all this money to you, of course I'm going to follow up"

She doesn't seem to be coordinated with anyone in charge of the Ohio recount. I predict this will be Bev Harris' last appearance on the Randi Rhodes Show.

or am I expecting too much?

what the hell is she doing?

whats going on?

very very evasive. Sorry, but she is dodging Randis questions right and left.

You need to contact the Judiciary Committee." -- Randi.

"Consider it done." -- Bev.

at DU are upset with her!

enjoy slitting your own throats?

very appropriate. Try skepticism, it'll keep you out of trouble.

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I have trust, and Bev has mine.

rude shock.

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can't be any ruder that the Bushock. I'm ready, bring it on.

nt

playing CYA??? Not following just yet where she is going with this...

what exactly they have done with said donation? Randi's really just asking for some accountability, no?

anything." -- Randi.

"I haven't gotten any calls from you." -- Bev.

"Oh yes you have." -- Randi. "Get it together."

Randi Rhodes is taking Bev to the woodshed

Aiyo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice job, Bev Harris.

Oh my, she's screaming! Called Bev a liar.

Bev is lying again about going to Ohio! Wow! She cut Bev off!!!!

Randi mentioned Olbermann, DU.

Randi chewing Bev out for not being at the hearings in Ohio.

She's asking valid questions and not getting any good answers. Why wasn't she at the Ohio hearings?

that Bev Harris plays her cards so close to the chest (for whatever reasons) that she will only allow people in her inner circle to help out.

Former "inner circle" BBV people post here all the time. She's alienated so many people that she marginalized herself.

i think the problem is that Bev has 'a personality' and that she's used to a smaller sandbox where she's able to manage things herself. the problem comes, my guess, from dealing with a much larger issue now on a much larger scale and still trying to manage things according to the model she was familiar with, in small.

i actually have tried to call her and found the inability to leave a message even, much less get through to her. i finally ended up calling andy.

i'd suggested she bring in a COO who could manage the infrastructure while she's getting her hands dirty. i don't think that's happened and i think the need is even clearer at this point

which is why she tries to do it all herself. Which is Why she hasn't really accomplished anything since she blew her original team off.

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between your parties but i suspect you're right about the 'trust' issue. that would explain a few things.

that would doom the idea of bringing an outsider in for COO function, for sure. but i guess andy's probably one of the few who've achieved confidante level who might make known the imperative of micromanagers needing someone to handle the grand details. it seemed he was open to discussion when i talked with him, do you know of others who she might trust to bring in for that sort of manager-level work that could be passed through andy?

i have to figure she likes dealing with the nuts and bolts and that's one reason she's reluctant to choose one over the other. if she could be sure of the macro-stuff, that'd leave her free.

she keeps dumping her inner circles for disloyalty?

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btw, was Rhandi at the Ohio hearings?

why not let's make a long list of 'who wasn't' at the hearings. or a short list of who was. There's a start.

bit softer approach would have been more productive.

I am shocked that she went ON AND ON AND ON AND ON.

I did NOT like her show today at all.

Bev responded that she asked someone, "where do you want me to be?" Randi asked, "Who did you ask?" Bev evaded her question then Randi basically cut off the call. Wow.

Of donations for Bev, and it seems as if Bev hasn't done very much for it. Not only that, but not getting back to Randi's calls.

To everyone who responded to my questioning Randi's "harshness", I agree she has a responsibility to those people, including me, who donated money to Bev. I just was uncomfortable with the whole conversation, but I am glad she questioned Bev.

n/t

She wasn't even at the Ohio hearings???!!!!

I was there and Bev Harris was NOT at the Ohio hearings.

This is the ONE place we may have a chance and the last thing we need is Bev in Ohio.

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if she were involved in something else important but I think she has burned and continues to burn all bridges within sight. To be effective she HAS to delegate and that has been clear for at least 6 weeks. I've tried to email her about it many times and she hasn't responded. Granted that is probably because she can't get to all the calls and emails but that is because she isn't delegating. She shouldn't need a message from me to realize she is WAY over her head.

regularjoe

with Bev Harris lately, I donated $ when Randy made her pleas a few weeks back. Bev has been pissing off people lately (Keith Olberman sp? last week) what's up with that?

Bev Harris is finished as a voting activist as of this moment.

to directly answer any question. Something is very, very wrong there. She acted like a teenage kid caught stealing and trying to cover it up.

Randi needs to take a couple muscle relaxers or something sometimes ;)

Ms Harris collected a ton of money and has a lot to answer for

after going way out on a limb to help Bev raise money. She has every right to hold Bev accountable.

is spending much of it on FOIA requests.

Rhandi is down even more notches in my eyes.

She's still a great source of information, but sometimes reaches a conclusion about things before having proper evidence (which is also what makes her so great). I'm torn on whether to be happy or sad. I'm 100% sure though, that she will be in contact with Bev to find out what went wrong on the show today. Hopefully it was an honest miscommunication.

If I were on the show and Randi was pounding me like that I'd get a bit defensive as well :-)

how many times I tuned and said to myself 'why don't you stfu and let your Guests speak?' not a good hostess, imho.

but have to add: in commentary, she's quite lively and entertaining and informative. She just doesn't play well with sharing the microphone.

There was a previous caller ....a man who was REALLY trying to make his point. He was polite but you could tell he was getting frustrated because EVERY TIME HE OPENED HIS MOUTH.......RANDI ROAD ALL OVER HIM.

She did the same thing with BEV. I wanted to hear what Bev had to say......not listen to Randi Rant and Rave.

Randi turned me off tonight BIG TIME. She was unprofessional and stupid.

We all know Randi is loud, witty and tells it like it IS. She does NOT sugar coat s***. That is what makes her great and I honestly believe if she was any other way she would not have more listeners than CNN (according to Randi). She has to be doing something right.

I agree sometimes she goes overboard but that does not discredit her message. And the message today was, where have you been Bev and what progress have you made? Let us help you Bev... What do you need Bev?... If your duping my listeners Bev, I will find out.

A very valid message.

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If you helped someone obtain thousand's of dollars in donations, and that person ignored your calls. You would be equally pissed. At the very least she should have been updating Randi on her progress, she was doing this when Randi was requesting donations on behalf of BBV. Randi's listeners wanted and expected progress. Maybe Randi should have asked these questions in the beginning.

Looks like we all assumed and expected too much from Bev. However, Bev could have been more upfront also, I don't recall hearing or seeing Bev say that donations to BBV were not for election fraud. She had to know people assumed this...

Correction, I did see where she mentioned she was not trying to overturn the election, on a message board, either here or on the BBV site. However, this was shortly after people began questioning her behavior and well after many donated to her.

Everybody (Keith O, Randi, Andy, Abandoned BBV Clean Up Crew, Du'ers that helped her write her book etc) can't be wrong and Bev is right. Logically it makes no sense. Something is wrong with this picture and we shall see exactly what that is... time WILL tell.

Loyalty to a great extent is good. However, blind loyalty benefits no one (think republiCONS)

On edit: corrected spelling

circumstances.

I was never clear as to why Randi was banging the donation drum for Bev's group, and unfortunately never heard her myself. It seemed to me that Randi got it in her head that Bev had something to do with the recounts . Meanwhile Bev seemed perfectly happy to soak it all up without bothering to set the record straight about who, exactly, was doing what.

So the people who DID and DO have a LOT to do with recounts -- Cobb and Badnerik plus the new 527 organization (www.HelpAmericaRecount.org) started by the DUers who were responsible for getting the recount ball rolling in the first place -- were basically ignored. After all, didn't Bev have it all covered? (Uh, no.)

Maybe it was all just a really big misunderstanding. :shrug:

Glad Randi is asking questions. Too bad she didn't ask a few more upfront, but she was on a tear. I worry that a lot of people made donations for RECOUNTS, not quite understanding what their money was going to go for something important (or potentially important -- depending on how it's used) but very different. I did what I could to correct the record here at DU, but it wasn't easy.

about how little they make.

Randi asked us all to donate money, and we did.

Now, Bev can't answer simple questions. We all deserve at least that.

Randi Rhodes kicked Bev's ass because that is what is obviously required at this juncture. We need people like Randi, screaming really loud, because the squeaky wheel gets the oil, and everything, I mean everything is at stake here people, our lives, our children's lives, everything. Bev deserved everything she got.

Bev Harris is grandstanding at the wrong time in history, this is way too important. If there are people here, from what I read and hear, that were instrumental in her getting started or helping her get her efforts off the ground who are they? They need to step forward and take over if possible or find out what's going on. Bev herself is actually doing damage to this cause, and is using up whatever credibility she had left. She didn't even know Andy wasn't working with her anymore for f**k's sake. Tryed to tell Randi that he had a death in his family and has been away, when Randi talked to him the same day his sister died and knew he had only been away for the day of the funeral and was back to work. That's what I heard anyway. This is too soap opera for words.

Bev Harris had plenty of time in the interview before Randi got steamed,to answer a question, she was just evasive from the jump. Nobody can get through to her by phone or message, there must be something wrong with her phone, something wrong with her answering machine, CNN rings once and then hangs up..... and the dog ate my homework. What the f**k. This is a person who we were relying on to be a spokesperson for a vital cause, and she is screwing up. When 10 people are all telling you the same thing, I tried to reach you and no response, I think maybe the 10 people saying the same thing are telling the truth and the other person just might be the one with the problem.

Randi said Bev wasn't reachable on her email account either. KO says she wasn't reachable. People on this site who have gotten her on the phone say she is in a narcissistic snit half the time and doesn't want anyone else to help, and is verbally abusive to them to boot.

I didn't know her before all of this happened, apparently lots of people do, and perhaps she was once great, and groundbreaking, and reliable, but now.......... sorry, got to say Randi's right, she is a flake. I don't care about the money I've donated (although I sure could use it) as long as she was doing everything necessary and appropriate in the usage of that money to further the cause, which is exposing fraud in this election before it's too late, period. She disappears for days and weeks at a time, appears on DU, threatens to sue people who are helping her and have helped her in the past, misses out on getting information to the congress people conducting hearings. Says no one called to invite her to the hearings, she needed a personal invitation?

Randi is just asking questions any reasonable person would ask and she's asking them in a way that is true to her personality. Randi is from Brooklyn. Maybe some of you don't know people from Brooklyn, let me just tell you, when you get people from Brooklyn pissed off, watch out (no, I'm from Queens originally, similar feistiness) Brooklyn rocks.

Bev just tried to get around answering the questions in a straightforward manner, and was being evasive. Randi'a apparently been trying to reach her, with no luck, and is angry with reason. KO said Bev was abusive to his staff. :wtf: Randi feels like she went out on a limb, out of passion for this issue, and got people to donate money to this woman, many of us who were not even familiar with Bev's background, and only did so because we trusted Randi's advice. When she flaked out, after being given any number of chances to come to the plate, Randi saw red. I don't blame her at all.

The news about the Diebold machines calling out to the IP address at some mystery company, instead of being hacked into, sounded promising. I hope she is really pursueing it, if she has posted technical info that she says she needs help with why doesn't anyone know about it, or do they? Why wasn't she trying to tell anyone about it. What was she waiting for, why didn't she take advantage in a positive, professional manner of the media outlets offered to her. Randi asked what she could do to help tonight, I heard her, and I just heard Bev prevaricating and avoiding answering again and again.

Is this an avenue that has reached a dead end? Randi is right, I wish it didn't have to be like this....... but it appears that it is.

How many times do people have to get smacked in the head before they start wondering who's smacking them?

Bev was great friends with David Allen, then she wasn't. David became the enemy.

Bev was great friends with Roxanne, then she wasn't. Roxanne became the enemy.

Bev was great friends with Olbermann, then she wasn't. Olbermann became the enemy.

Bev was great friends with DU, then she wasn't. DU became the enemy.

Bev was great friends with Randi Rhodes, then she wasn't. Randi became the enemy.

And the topper - Bev had a loyal, supportive friend in Andy Stephenson. Then her most trusted associate became the enemy, at the time of his deepest grief.

Anyone who doesn't see a pattern here better get their head examined, IMO. It's too goddam obvious for all of these fine people to be wrong and Bev Harris, only Bev Harris to be right.

Who's been smacking everyone in the head here???

-as

I lost track. When I start into these heated discussions I don't even notice. I bet I'm past the big one now. lol

...get out of her own way.

You've now burned bridges with your only two media outlets. Some PR person.

Jeez, girlfriend, even I knew about the freaking hearings.

"I really wish this wasn't the way it was." -- Randi.

"I talked to Andy this morning..... DU says you can't work with her... and several other people." -- Randi.

her cause and fork over all this money and hang all our hopes on her and not be held to account- And, man, can Randi hold someone to account or what?!

that was painful.

However, she had valid questions that needed to be asked. After all, it was her show that helped raise money to support Bev's investigation.

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Again!!!

but I do remember Bev saying KO was willing to interview if she didn't use the "f" word and she said she refused. Later she said he never contacted her? Very strange. I had a lot of faith in her since she's been working on this issue for years but her behaviour since Nov 2 is very odd - more like she's planning on producing a film with votergate.tv just to make money. :( hard to say.

Some of us caught on two years ago.

go into the archives and look for a really long thread which was started by a moderator and is the mod's statement. Should be about a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x108750#113134


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Bev is either stupid or scamming folks... either way- not good at all.

Randi in next segment- "Bev- if you're using our money to make your movie- we're gonna find out!" Randi's pissed and so am i.

:mad:

Wow.

Remind me never, EVER, to get Randi Rhodes mad at me. Jeez.

Randi but ONLY if I had answers to her questions. She was great and Bev sounded totally on the spot without ANY viable answers. What she's doing or up to don't ask me but obviously something is rotten in Denmark.

:headbang:

In a hurry to protect her reputation, she forgot to prepare. Maybe she didn't think Randi would go there? She should have known better!

forget the blackbox.

Ahhh Bev......are you naturally self destructive or a con girl?

she asked/prodded her listeners over & over to donate,,,,

Bev was not answering direct questions and IMO she doesn't lie very well,,,, sheesh,,,,,

this is too weird,,,,

kindof a weird item regarding BBV ~ we mailed a check ages ago,,,, it never got cashed,,,,

Feel responsible too.

And I would be pissed... She had every right to question her.

I donated, but I don't think I would have done so if I'd spent much time on DU beforehand.

FOIA requests cost lots of money, and she IS finding things from them. She has to stay impartial in this (because of the non-profit status), she can't be calling for the election to be overturned. What she can do is uncover fraud, which she has been doing. She is a control freak that wants to do everything herself, but so am i :)

She does possibly owe us a breakdown of cost vs donations

Lets not give up on her.

will drive her further down the paranoid avenue she's been hitchhiking on for the last year.

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i dont blame Randi @ all!!!

& that repub guy tryin to make her feel bad about it was an ASSHOLE.

we all acted in good faith;
let's see what happens next, things are coming fast.

I think she did this to try to make sure people didn't feel taken nor compelled to give what they can't afford. So, I don't think she has any reason to feel responsible.

...Randi put the call out to the listeners and got thousands of people to contribute to the BBV fund - myself included - and if that were me, I'd feel responsible too - and really pissed off. Not putting words into her mouth, but... yeah. That was a lot of money.

This is really... unfortunate.

It was tough listening to Bev being taken over the coals. Although it appeared as though Bev had done a good job up to this point, she really dropped the ball when it counted most. Makes you wonder....

See ya bev

and he said Bev could not release the film because she doesn't own it.
I think they need to be released so we can see the emotion of the people
involved to gauge honesty.

You guys have to remember- It does cost a lot of money to do what Bev has been doing! Time will tell just how real/decent she is.

"Ouch, that was painful" isn't enough detail, if ya get me.

Thanks.

on Randi's archive later this evening. If you want to hear it for yourself.

http://www.randirhodesarchives.com/

Do you know what time?

...about not returning calls; about Andy not working with her any more; about DU not being able to work with her any more; about not contacting the House Judiciary Committee or the Kerry lawyers or anyone else. She didn't really get any answers, either, Bev kept changing the subject every time Randi pressed her questions.

"Bev, if you're making a movie with our money, we'll find out."

Whoa.

anyone know what is going on with Andy? Has he given up on her as well?

He finally found the *real* Bev many of us know so well.

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is pretty much a quote as far as I could capture it.

I missed the beginning. I'm not entirely sure what caused Randi to go off as I didn't get the first part. I tuned in around the time that Randi said that Andy said that he wasn't working with Bev anymore. This was news to Bev. Randi asked Bev where all the money was going. Bev started talking about FOIA requests. Then Randi kind of started in on her because she wasn't at the Ohio hearings. Randi told Bev to give everything she had to Conyers. Bev said she would. Randi said they had repeatedly tried to contact her and had not heard back from her. She's not returning her emails. Randi brought up the whole Olbermann and DU thing. Randi was really pissed that she wasn't in Ohio.

Ooo, there's a caller: Randi is now pointing out that this was just Bev calling in. This is the first phone call I've had with her since the middle of November. Listener says: You have a right to find out where these funds are being utilized. Randi agrees.

...Randi started the phone call with questions about why her calls to Bev - 3 of them, along with messages - weren't returned or answered. She also said Keith O's people were trying to call her too.

concrete answers....
Randi: "What can we do to help you?"
Bev: ahhh..silence..."gee I don't know I haven't really thought about it"

Lots of silences...ahhhs...

Sounded like a child caught in the act of lying and didn't even have good skills to come back with anything. It was embarrassing as a listener because it was obvious that Bev may be brilliant in some ways but when confronted with accountability she could not produce.

We've been conned.

's many possible reasons for that besides just us being "conned." Why would anyone do that? You'd get nailed inevitably. I don't believe its responsible to jumping to conclusions. What makes more sense to me is the pressure is getting to her and she's struggling to cope. I'm concerned for her stress condition and the possible effects on her ability to think clearly and function responsively.

She can't effectively organize volunteers without some trust and some delegating. And she has had oppurtunities to delegate to people that have earned some trust but it hasn't happened. A truly sad story.

regularjoe

When someone ask you how can I help? Your response even if you don't need help would be (to be polite) to tell this person what you are actually doing. Bev didn't even do that.

I've tried and tried since the reselection of chimpy, to join up as a volunteer with her gig and as I live in the same city with her, I thought I could do some of that boring filing work. But I haven't been able to get any answer from her company or her. I gave up.

Conyers hearings. What did we all send our money in for if not
her furthering the cause. What could possibly be more important
than being and presently at the hearings?

w/o commercials at http://www.randirhodesarchives.com/

it'll be uploaded a few hours after the show is complete... a great recource.

catch what you can live .

sorry... that was pretty vauge of me. Check out the archive. :)

Randi closed the segment by saying "I wish it didn't have to be like this."

Commenting on how DU says she (Harris) is impossible to work with, wanted to know how she could piss off Keith O. when he is the only one reporting the story, wanted to know why Bev was not at the Ohio hearings, etc.

Bev Harris offered very lame excuses (didn't know where to go, missed calls, etc.). I was waiting for her to give a straight answer - I'm still waiting.

Randi was not buying, and, sadly, neither was I.

I think Bev Harris is turning into a persona non grata re: Randi and others in the vote fraud movement. 

vague shadow groups trying to "stop her investigation and discredit her". She will say her phone was hacked, something she claimed to me many times.

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for the Bev posting that Rhandi was rude and she wants to sue, or some other horrible distortion of what happened on the BBV site.

I think that perhaps Bev is getting a little paranoid, all this election stuff must be pressing on her nerves, she has to learn that WE are the people that support her, and stop seeing all the imaginary freepers in the shade.

either.

1. She's a fraud

or (more likely)

2. She's one person, doing this alone, and doesn't have anyone handling the press. And for a "PR person" she doesn't know how to glad handle, that's for sure.

Bev Harris has been banned, she won't be posting that Randi was rude.

There are thousands of people who wanted to help.

She started this effort from her PR agency, called Talion, I believe. She did a tremendous job pulling together resources to make a case against these machines. But she seems to have a habit of burning bridges.

NGU.

I might be willing to give her some slack. But usually where there's smoke, there's fire and with Bev, that smoke has now turned into a wildfire. The list of people she has pissed off and alienated is a very long one and these were people who were trying to help her. I know that I regret the day I ever gave her a single dime of my money. I'll regret that for quite some time to come.

And by the way, she has her own forum/website to attack others on, just like she did Olbermann. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before she posts something attacking Randi.

BTW-Randi, if you're out there reading this--THANK YOU.

If fraud is proven and the election is overturned.

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after the Bev interview. Randi says that we know that Harris has some credentials because she wrote the book on BlackBox voting and worked the Georgia election and she found the Robb Georgia ....

I imagine a few DUers who worked their butts off need to tell Randi the straight story.

from representing herself for awhile. Get a spokesperson or something.

She's toast.

Randi recommended that to her a long time ago.
I wish I had heard today's show...

Always get what they have coming to them in the end.

Randi, God Bless Ya.

Bev? How did that taste? LOL

Edit to add: Ya know the old addage takes one to know one? Well, maybe she is right for the job after all. Takes a Fraud to Find a Fraud.

Why does he seem exempt from the rule?

There is no time related deadline to the rule.

well, its really freaky that randi's board has been under attack for two days, it came back up live DURING bev, & someone had hacked into Tim's (randi's producer) ID & was posting nasty stuff about randi...then the whole message baord came back down again!


& about bev....when we heard her one the air a few weeks ago, she sounded like she had her act together....

...now, it almost doesnt sound like the same person, this sounds like some rambling loony lady....

Welcome to DU. :hi: Wish it was upon a happier occasion.

If you want to catch up on the whole DU-Bev soap opera, there's sort of a summary here.

(Warning: really really big thread.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=108750&mesg_id=108750

thanks for the welcome!!

The board has had technical problems in the past and I thought it was just more of the same and they were maybe using the opportunity to update the software which they'd been planning to do.

But what you report sounds freaking bizarre. Damn I missed it.

:spank:

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this was posted in the few minutes that the site was up

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Because Randy is an idiot. Her brain is mush and she talks out her A_ _ !!! Let it go BUSH Won :-)

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Tim Allan T. Walker, Producer, The Randi Rhodes Show
"Believe in me... Because I don't believe in anything"- Counting Crows

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someone was able to contact tim & the messageboard came back down!

Bev was poisoned?

And Randi is FUMING

I don't think there's any doubt that Bev has good intentions-- I mean, the woman wrote a book about election fraud-- I believe she's genuinely concerned with it.

BUT something weird is going on. She has demonstrated that she knows what she's doing-- she has gotten results (damning results)-- we all donated to the cause-- she set out for Florida and was doing some good stuff (remember finding the stuff in the garbage and serving that woman who refused to comply with the FOI)-- she kept Randi apprised over what was going on-- then no one hears from her for awhile, and when they do, she sounds kind of disoriented and fuzzy.

Did something happen?

I wonder if she has considered posting at Bev's own bulletin board? Seems like Bev is pretty active in investigating the Sequoia central tabulators, which is more than I've seen around here.

the empress has no clothes

"We will not be using the forums for kerfluffles. We will be aggressive about deleting posts that hijack the topic into personal attacks -- of ANYONE.

We are in this to force transparency back into the U.S. election system, and regain control of our government so we are once again "of the people, by the people, and for the people.

We're in it to win it."

As you can tell from my sig, I don't like hijackings.

Randi and DU of being "very tied in with the Democratic Party"? Very interesting......

It's gone now.

"BOARD OF DIRECTORS WILL MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TONIGHT"

LAST EDITED ON Dec-14-04 AT 04:23 PM (PST)

It will concern the Randi Rhodes, Olbermann, and other issues. I will remove all threads about the media attacks. Watch Black Box Voting for the announcement.

We will not be using the forums for kerfluffles. We will be aggressive about deleting posts that hijack the topic into personal attacks -- of ANYONE.

We are in this to force transparency back into the U.S. election system, and regain control of our government so we are once again "of the people, by the people, and for the people.

We're in it to win it.

We are not done. We will not quit.

We must be relentless.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Bev Harris
Executive Director
Black Box Voting"