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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:16 PM
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WAKE UP EVERYONE
who is talking about its not over - concession not binding - Dean could have won - or whatever the post -

ITS THE VOTING MACHINES STUPID (no offense intended)

If you're not listening to Mike Malloy you should be and if you can't go to whiterose tomorrow and download it....as long as "they" control the vote count there is NOTHING WE CAN DO

You know today I was thinking the next thing you know Bush will amend the constitution so he can run again - then I thought oh well if he did then the Big Dog could run and wipe the floor with him - but you know what even the Big Dog wouldn't have won because they control the vote count

We need to figure out how to fix this problem before we worry about any other!!!
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dogtag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:18 PM
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1. Yep...whoever we run will be a sacrificial lamb. Won't matter.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:19 PM
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2. Kill the Machines is the only answer
We will never get an honest vote count on these crooked machines.
Why do you think the Republicans forbade the paper trail?
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:30 PM
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5. And please as you talk to people about
black box voting - and they look at you like you're some kind of nut case conspiracy freak simply say to them the repunks have fought a paper trail like demons - why in the world would they object to a paper trail if they didn't want to CHEAT - most people can understand that.

I am so freaking pissed off that I have to suffer through four more years of this disgusting crimnal mass murderering freak - IF THERE IS A GOD - PLEASE HELP AMERICA
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:40 PM
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7. you're right
even the ardent dem that i commiserate with at work looks at me strangely when i mention the ballot box/blackbox voting issues.

why is this an issue that people don't believe??????
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:30 PM
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8. Why won't people believe? Because they would have to face the
Fact that W is two faced and they are being lead into the pits of hell. By a psychopath with the emotional development of a six year old. It is the Hypocrisy stupid.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:01 PM
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13. Because it is too hard to believe
that this could happen in our country - but you know when you point out that the repunks fight it - I think it gets people wondering why
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KingChicken Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:19 PM
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3. Yes, I agree, it's like third world voting out there
There really should be a much more efficient system that has fail-safe's built in to ensure fair access to the count.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:27 PM
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4. Start small, think big
We need to get as many Dems as possible in to election commisioner, secretary of state positions as possible. Next, we should petition all states with voter inititive processes to insist on a paper trail for electronic voting machines or better yet, electronic scanning until the technology is reliable. Despite what was stated on the news, the technology introduced a significant amount of doubt as to the reliability of the vote count. We also need to understand the red states. These are generally really good people. We will never win again until we figure them out!
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:33 PM
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6. BINGO!!
And we need some organization and strategizing TODAY!

Seriously, right NOW we should be planning how we're going to get rid of these machines within about one year. It'll take time to go back t the paper ballot system and they'll try to use it as an excuse for not having them ready for a 2006 election unless we move and move FAST.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:32 PM
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9. Let's do it. Who has a list of the locations (States/Counties) that have
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 03:35 PM by Vincardog
voter inititive processes? Let's get organized and start NOW. We can never vote on a crooked machine again. If you step into a ballot box and see a crooked machine PISS ON IT.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:36 PM
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10. So fucking what? No one is going to do anything about it.
Do you have any evidence that will stand up in a court of law? Do you have any court jurisdictions that are run by those who stole the election? You are powerless over the machines. They control the horizontal, they control the vertical.
And don't forget to tell my about the up coming Plame indictments too!

Now go eat your bowl of gruel and shut up!
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:40 PM
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11. "(George) Bush will amend the constitution so he can run again"
Doesn't need to. They'll run Jeb next time. After all, the "Bush" patch is already installed in the Diebold machines, There'll be no need to change it!
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monroncrief Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:40 PM
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12. DO SOMETHING !! Post this EVERYWHERE!!!
Black Box Voting (.ORG) is conducting the largest Freedom of Information action in history. At 8:30 p.m. Election Night, Black Box Voting blanketed the U.S. with the first in a series of public records requests, to obtain internal computer logs and other documents from 3,000 individual counties and townships. Networks called the election before anyone bothered to perform even the most rudimentary audit.

America: We have permission to say No to unaudited voting. It is our right.

Among the first requests sent to counties (with all kinds of voting systems -- optical scan, touch-screen, and punch card) is a formal records request for internal audit logs, polling place results slips, modem transmission logs, and computer trouble slips.

An earlier FOIA is more sensitive, and has not been disclosed here. We will notify you as soon as we can go public with it.

Such a request filed in King County, Washington on Sept. 15, following the primary election six weeks ago, uncovered an internal audit log containing a three-hour deletion on election night; “trouble slips” revealing suspicious modem activity; and profound problems with security, including accidental disclosure of critically sensitive remote access information to poll workers, office personnel, and even, in a shocking blunder, to Black Box Voting activists.

Black Box Voting is a nonpartisan, nonprofit consumer protection group for elections. You may view the first volley of public records requests here: Freedom of Information requests here

Responses from public officials will be posted in the forum, is organized by state and county, so that any news organization or citizens group has access to the information. Black Box Voting will assist in analysis, by providing expertise in evaluating the records. Watch for the records online; Black Box Voting will be posting the results as they come in. And by the way, these are not free. The more donations we get, the more FOIAs we are empowered to do. Time's a'wasting.

We look forward to seeing you participate in this process. Join us in evaluating the previously undisclosed inside information about how our voting system works.

GO BEV!!!!

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:04 PM
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14. YES and CALL THE DNC
202-863-8122. That number is the DNC is Washington, DC. I have called and left a message and am encouraging everyone I can reach to do so.

THEY ARE THE "PARTY LEADERSHIP". THIS IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY!
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silvershadow Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:45 AM
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15. please read blackboxvoting.org...they are doing an investigation
Of all the records.
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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:05 AM
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16. In a few days they'll all be calling us
"tinfoilers," and conspiracy theorists, with smug and indulgent smiles. That includes the Dem "leadership."
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Radio-Active Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:59 AM
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18. who cares?
what do we really have to lose at this point?
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ArmenianBabe Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:11 AM
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17. We need to figure out how to fix this problem before we worry about any ot
how about we all start here ?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004//pages/results/states/CO/P/00/county.000.html

would this be enough proof to start on ?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:02 AM
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19. Sarpy County Nebraska - The voting machines counted some votes
TWICE. A guy lost an election by 100 votes and he's making a stink about it. That's why it was on the news.

Who's voting machines? Election Systems & Software, Chuck Hagel's company. The one that miraculously make him a winner during his run for Senator.

Yes people, it IS rigged.
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