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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 07:07 PM
Original message
New bbv.ORG site up
Not much content, but the donation links are working.

I wonder how long the book graphic will stay up since it has my name on it?

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 07:57 PM
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1. whats the beef?
I'm a newer member here. What is the trouble between you 2?
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 08:11 PM
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2. Um...er...uh...it's not a beef between the two of them.
Edited on Sat Dec-25-04 08:17 PM by Ladyhawk
It's a beef between her and the world, apparently.

Look at archives in this forum: 2004 Election Results and Discussion.

You'll get the whole story if you want it.

Here's as good a place to start as any: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=108750

Bev Harris is not who you think she is.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 10:32 PM
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5. Question Ladyhawk!
Are you member of the Blackfoot message board?
I just saw a post in the digest there from another Ladyhawk-
I wondered, could it be?
If so, SMALL world after all!
BHN
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 01:38 AM
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13. No, but I am part Cherokee.
You can't tell, though. Pity. :)
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 12:19 PM
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19. Not to highjack the thread or anything
(apologies to David)
But SO am I! Part Cherokee that is.
Same here, you would not know by looking at me.
Although oddly enough, I have NA friends who swear
they recognized it when they met me.
BHN
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 10:26 PM
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4. here
Read these as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=192238&mesg_id=192238
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=192757&mesg_id=192757
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=193769&mesg_id=193769
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Bouvet_Island Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 08:18 PM
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3. Bev Harris aside,
this sucks far worse than what was there before.

The dotcom box as the logo on top of "electronics", oooh the Irony. "Internet" in the making.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 10:37 PM
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6. I wonder if she used the settlement money to pay for it?
Interesting that the donation links would be working first, I guess she's got her priorities!
I once tried to defend her against some long time DU'ers that obviously knew her better and longer than I did. I apologize to all. The turning point for me was when she got tombstoned here. After that, the more I learned the more appalled I became. Well, this is one TN boy who "won't get fooled again".
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 10:45 PM
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7. We understand
Many were fooled, sad to say. I am curious as to who will the next to got.

The candidates are:

Jim March
Kathleen Wynne
Lowel Finley

My money is on Lowell, so Bev can blam him for the qui tam fiasco.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:01 PM
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8. I can't get it to it
Perhaps they're having DNS issues?
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:02 PM
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9. Me, either.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:15 PM
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10. That is blackboxvoting.org
you are typing, not the abbreviation bbv.org, right? <s>

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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Dolphyn Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 12:26 AM
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11. It works for me, but it's slow.
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

I think it's very weird that they'd delete all the content in the process of switching the site over to a new design. Oh well, maybe they'll get it finished soon.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 12:32 AM
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12. I couldn't get to it from DU. When I went to another site I could
get in from there. Real weird.
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propagandafreegal Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:12 AM
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14. She is so crafty, she took her name off the new site... nm
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JMac Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:12 AM
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15. Some people never learn
Bev bitching about DUers wanting to know how much money she scammed off them.

From at BBV new forums:

This appears to come to us by way of DemocraticUnderground, which has now turned out to be the soap opera capitol of the left. It seems that the favorite pastime of DUers is guessing how the money is spent at Black Box Voting, which rapidly devolves into accusations of embezzlement and wild spending sprees.

More... http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/74/180.html?1103947502
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:52 AM
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16. Pot, meet kettle.
That friggin' drama queen calls DU the 'soap opera capitol of the left?'

She's capable of enough projection to open her own goddam multiplex.

-as
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 05:16 PM
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23. LOL
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 06:01 PM
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24. Harris is a soap opera queen herself. Read some of her past threads
Edited on Sun Dec-26-04 06:05 PM by Garbo 2004
here. For example, here's one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID70/1995.html

For someone who's supposedly been a potential target of a Diebold hit for well over a year she seems remarkably healthy, posting at her forum.

Meanwhile, how are the FOIA's, lawsuits and audits doing? Surely such topics are just as if not more threadworthy than chat board "soap operas."
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zimba Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:24 AM
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17. I like her free bumper sticker.
Kinda like an unpaid advertisement that you get stuck with (pun intended).
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JMac Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:01 PM
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26. No kidding
I clicked on the 'free bumper sticker' link thinking they would send one. Once you click it, its a pdf that you have to print yourself. There is a paragraph explaining they are to tight to print them and pay for postage.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:04 PM
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27. That is
BULLSHIIIIT!

They are not
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JMac Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:23 PM
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29. No shit
I thought the same thing. They expect people to actually use their time and resources to advertise for them? Im going to be sure to download one, have it elaminated, and tape the fucker to my car./s

Here is the message:
"Show your support! Rather than use resources printing it with a commercial printer (plus postage fees to mail it), we're offering the free bumpersticker for free download directly from this site."

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bumpersticker.html
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:28 PM
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30. Damn, I missed that!
What a tightwad.

BTW,am I the only one who thinks the BB logo looks like a Next computer logo?

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 12:10 PM
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18. Bethel Bible Village?
You might want to change your title?
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 12:20 PM
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20. Sorry,
can't now, past editing time. bbv.org and bbv.com have been used as shorthand for the sites for a while now.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 12:24 PM
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21. That's cool - it was actually kind of amusing -
for a horrible moment I thought fundies had hacked your site!
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 04:28 PM
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22. Well, the blackboxvoting.org
is not my site, it is Bev's. I run blackboxvoting.com, which was having some problems Friday, but is back in working order.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 07:27 PM
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25. Oops, sorry!
I'm very good at putting my foot in my mouth, I know y'all have your differences.

I checked out the .com - your new design looks good!
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. No offense at all
actually we haven't revamped the site yet.

<G>

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 06:14 AM
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35. It looks different from the last
time I was there. Hasn't the format changed a bit, gone from two-columns to three?
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 11:33 AM
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36. The only major change was deleting the donation block and addiing addition
disclaimers about Bev's site. So, maybe that is the difference.

D.
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phillipw Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:32 PM
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31. Are there indications that BBV has any documentation that is useful?
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #31
50. If she does, she's not making it easy to find
David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:38 PM
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32. why on earth would they publish
their site when it is still in progress? Any reason? Looks very unprofessional to still have Template Filler in a webpage.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. Isn't that how it is taught in PR school?
Launch important sites before they are ready. I wonder how long we will see filler text on the site.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:01 AM
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34. can't for the life of me figure out
why they would do something like that -- I've put together several low-end websites, but even this novice knows enough to at least have something of merit in the text -- especially on the homepage.

Though..... those who come to visit in the next few days (depending on how long it takes them to upgrade) may lose interest at the lack of information.... (which is why it is pretty confusing to me... you'd think they'd want to hook them -- news flash lack of information and holder text does not bring curious people back...)
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 11:42 AM
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37. I agree
I thought it was very strange that they had it up and running with all of the placeholders still there. It's more like a test site. Why in the world would they go public with it before it's complete. Seems very unprofessional to me.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 11:45 AM
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38. So much for "security"
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/74/599.html?1104124704
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. Most of the posts are just them talking to each other
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/71/278.html?1104148128

In order to secure a site, you have to know something about security.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:33 PM
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40. I find this odd...
"Consumer Protection for Elections"

We don't consume democracy, we participate in it and to that end we are citizens not consumers. It is a shift of the language that reflects the corporatization of the U.S. that serves to embed the impression that we are passive recipients rather than active participants in government.
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:38 PM
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41. I resent being called a "consumer"
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:43 PM
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43. Part of the "re-branding" thingy DLC is into (and BFEE too)
Edited on Mon Dec-27-04 12:44 PM by robbedvoter
Stuff had to be packaged and sold to idiots by creating the illusion of a need.
And yeah, you are absolutely right, it's the crux of the problem.
It's why Ukraine, Romania had new elections when fraud was alleged while we are merely trying to tinker: how much of a fraud? Bigger than a bread box or smaller?
The concept of Democracy is lost on more Murkans than I thought.
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:45 PM
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45. Sigh.... Ukraine is ahead of us in this respect...
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:40 PM
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42. LOL: Bev Harris = Person of the Year 2004
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/72/222.html?1104148373
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:15 PM
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46. Yeah, that was discussed earlier
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:25 PM
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49. Oops...
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 12:44 PM
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44. Ahahah $35/month! Yeah, right....
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:16 PM
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47. Where?
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:25 PM
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48. in the donation section, they have that option...
Seems kind of steep, I'd say...
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. Bev says if people will donate $25
they will donate $35.

I guess there is a sucker born every minute.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 03:16 PM
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52. Why on EARTH, when help is so desperately needed in Ohio, is she
diddling around with creating a new website?

She is erasing her history and trying to start over, when the thing we all expected her to do is going undone.

Pathetic. I wonder how many will be taken in.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 03:49 PM
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54. Yet another example
of her priorities.

Her site provides no information, no useful links, no real research appears to be going on.

But, she does have her donations button working and she does have her disclaimer up.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 03:38 PM
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53. Didn't Bev say that
she was moving to a site that specialized in high risk sites that were subject to attack?

If she did, she's not getting her money's worth, as the site is being cracked to pieces.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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