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phillipw

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Mon Dec-27-04 10:48 AM
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Florida had more touchscreen machine fraud than Ohio

Since someone posted an article suggesting Florida had few elections problems, I'd like to note that it is documented that Florida appears to have had more touchscreen fraud than any other state, according to case reports in the voteprotect.org EIRS voter hotline reports and the votersunite.org reporting system; And also widespread voter suppression of minorities in big counties with large numbers of minorities.
http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html
http://www.flcv.com/flavi04.html

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NMDemDist2

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Mon Dec-27-04 10:51 AM
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1. thanks for the links, we are not giving FL a hard enough look

we'll see if Bev and BBV can shed some light down there

the activists in OH are doing a fine job

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EuroObserver

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Mon Dec-27-04 01:41 PM
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15. New Mexico also

appeared to flip rather late in the day...

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IndyOp

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Mon Dec-27-04 11:03 AM
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2. Thanks for this!

If you or someone else had the energy to write a summary about what happened, how many voters were affected, where -- that would be awesome. I really am working hard just to keep up with Ohio, but I am worried that Florida and New Mexico will fall by the wayside when they should not.

:kick:

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seabeyond

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Mon Dec-27-04 11:06 AM
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3. of course it does, jeb is there

this is his third election we know of, that he has practiced election fraud

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WilliamPitt

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Mon Dec-27-04 11:06 AM
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4. Ohio didn't have any touchscreen fraud

because Ohio didn't have any touchscreen machines.

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phillipw

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Mon Dec-27-04 11:17 AM
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5. Ohio does have touchscreens; and did have touchscreen fraud

3 counties have touchscreens; and had documented fraud
see
http://northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.html Mahoning County/Youngstown

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WilliamPitt

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Mon Dec-27-04 11:18 AM
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6. Busted link

I was under the impression that there were no touchscreens in Ohio. They were slated for Franklin county but were not used.

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Chi

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Mon Dec-27-04 12:07 PM
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7. Another link for voting technology used

http://verifiedvoting.org/verifier
/map.php?&topic_string=5std&state=Ohio

This shows one county in Ohio using touch screens.

Not saying it's right or wrong 8)

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WilliamPitt

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Mon Dec-27-04 12:20 PM
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8. Hm

Be interested in a confirmation on this. Everyone I talk to involved in Ohio says there were no toucscreens in the state.

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Chi

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Mon Dec-27-04 12:53 PM
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11. There is an email addy here

http://www.electionohio.com/
mahoning/boardoffice.htm

sciortino@cboss.com

Mahoning is the county in question.

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mulethree

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Mon Dec-27-04 04:56 PM
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17. Link

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/youngstown.htm

This SHOULD show all Dr. Phillips election analyses. He did some great stuff in Franklin county, but some of his more recent stuff is more speculative 'smell a rat' stuff - not hat he doesn't have a good nose :)
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm

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mulethree

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Mon Dec-27-04 04:45 PM
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16. I think thats Mercer county PA, not OH

Edited on Mon Dec-27-04 04:46 PM by mulethree

The link says the only 2 counties in that valley, Mercer PA is right next door and is a touchscreen user - pretty rare in west PA.

I show Mercer OH as a Triad punchcard county and the votecobb.org recount report seems to be counting punchcards.

6 Ohio Electronic voting counties besides the touchscreens in Mahoning. They are 'full face' electronic devices like Danaher Guardian, Microvote, Sequoia AVC Advantage.

Lake, Franklin, Auglaize, Knox, Ross, Pickaway

Fairly primitive computers with <= 2MB memory, a bunch of switches that go behind a printed paper ballot 'face' and LED or similar lights to indicate 'candidate selected'.

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ExpatriateTexan

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Mon Dec-27-04 12:30 PM
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9. Fix was in, no need to contest voters

Why do you think they decided to shelve the plan to contest 100s of thousands of Democrat voters (72 hours before the elction)?

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Chi

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Mon Dec-27-04 12:46 PM
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10. A Shell game always uses a distraction.

The 'observers' were a distraction.
The e-vote machines were a distraction.

The tabulators were the target, with a nice side dish of voter suppression to obfuscate their tracks.

Just my opinion. 8)

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bmoney07

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Mon Dec-27-04 01:00 PM
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12. thank you from Florida!

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txindy

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Mon Dec-27-04 01:27 PM
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14. I thought you are Blackwell's "ad asst" as you claimed in the other thread

You reporting now from Florida, too?

It stinks around here. Then, again, you did type the name of a B*sh, so that would help explain it. I wouldn't trust jeb if he announced that rain was wet. He's not exactly Mr. Integrity.

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dzika

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Mon Dec-27-04 04:58 PM
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18. Link to original thread...

phillipw referenced: "someone posted an article suggesting Florida had few elections problems"

I think that this is the article and thread:

What to Make of AP Story: "Only 63 Challenges In Florida Nov. Election" (posted by EMunster)

11:45 am EST December 24, 2004

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- Miami-Dade and Broward counties had the most voter challenges in the November election, but the state saw only 63 challenges among about 7.6 million votes cast, according to elections supervisors' offices.

The low number of challenges came despite the waves of Republican and Democrat lawyers who descended on Florida in anticipation of a flood of them.

maybe the most interesting part is this...

Republican strategists said they had planned for challenges, but decided against it in the last 72 hours of the campaign.

Full article:
http://www.wftv.com/news/4023331/detail.html

DU Thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x194486

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GetTheRightVote

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Mon Dec-27-04 06:12 PM
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19. You are singing to the choir,. thank you for the posting, FL Res

:bounce:

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berniew1

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Mon Dec-27-04 11:36 PM
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20. I suggest Florida residents go through the EIRS cases in more detail

The review of the EIRS data that is referenced is not a complete search. It would help if people could choose a county and do a more complete search or analysis and post other cases or patterns not already listed. And compile the obvious cases of malfeasance by officials.
www.voteprotect.org
research/maps

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