Atty Cliff Arnebeck will be on Thom Hartmann in an Hour

In about an hour from now (9:15 a.m. California time), Attorney Cliff Arnebeck will be interviewed on the Thom Hartmann show. Go to Warp Radio
to listen: http://www.warpradio.com/popTuner.asp?id=13919

I thought maybe this was an older show?
Is it live today?

Thom will be filling in for Randi today too. This is great. Truth will get out through him. Will, call him with any news so LOTS of people hear it!!!!

There loud and clear and it is Wonderful!

but in other states too. He says votes were moved nationwide. They wanted to have the appearance of a decisive win for * in order to avoid recounts and all the court challenges that happened when Al Gore's win was stolen in Flordia!

Did he mention Kerry's filing?

Listening now!

litigation. Cliff just announced some national news breaking today about the Ohio Supreme Court ruling that it does not have jurisdiction in the Chamber of Commerce lawsuit. He'll explain this after the break .....

the Ohio Supreme Court Justice election .... corporate contributions, I think.

He's going to explain after commercials.

I can't tell if the ruling is good or bad, yet.

I cant wait to here what this means.
Any one have any clue?:shrug:

Gotta love that guy!

just lost my connection.....
thank god its back

he said, it means the higher court will get the case. Now Jeff is calling in from Arizona saying we can't prove who won because no paper trails. Cliff is saying it is unimaginable that we gave our vote over to machines.

by his explanation on the courts.....How did that relate to the Ohio
fraud case? Wasn't that something different ?
Did you understand how they were related?
:shrug:

Spelled out in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x198764

I'm hoping some lawyers here will help intrepret it for us --

hopefully someone can tell us in layman's terms
what it all MEANS?????

he's saying that the paperless machines can never be verified. He's also talking about the voter suppression in Ohio and the fact that the Repubs got away with suppression in Flordia in 2000. Now he's talking about the campaign to get a Senator to question the veracity of the vote. This brings us back to the original problem, which is ES&S voting machines, Chuck Hagel's old company. Oddly, all of these voting machine companies have heavy connections with Repubs.

Hartmann is also saying he has resisted believing the election could be rigged, but now he is starting to believe it. He's talking about Congressman Rush Holt who was on his program 2 years ago. He put in legislation to simply require the machines to have a paper receipt, something that would actually enhance the profits of the voting machine companies. Yet, the Repubs. almost totally opposed the legislation. Tom DeLay told the Repubs. not to go near that legislation and don't dare put your name on it. Not one member of the Senate Repubs. has come forward with any kind of a rational answer not to have a paper trail on the machines.

Will this get networked?

- apologies in advance if the question seems strange... nice to be able to listen in from over here.

this afternoon, he will fill in for Randi Rhodes. Her show is about as mainstream as left broadcasting gets.

http://www.radiopower.org/talkradio/

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I was just going to post that myself.

I have no sound card and no speakers. It's very quiet in my workplace. :(

Unfortunately, even here in Central NJ where Rush has offered all kinds of forum on e-voting perils, many didn't do enough to protect our votes. Go figure?!! The cons just don't like Democratic votes to count. Sickening. I've asked KO to invite Rush on with the cons who wouldn't let Rush's bill come to house floor for a vote. Hasn't happened yet. Rush Holt is the kind of Rep that every democracy deserves. I was redistricted though and now I have Mike Ferguson. I like to call him my UN-representative. He's useless.

Let's get clean elections in this country soon!

It is illegal for corporations to donate $ to State Supreme Court elections (since 1907). Ohio Chamber has tried to get around the law by collecting the monies and donating.

Cliff has been fighting for four years to force the Chamber to divulge the corporate donors. A lower court ruled for Cliff, but the Chamber appealed to the Ohio Supreme Court. TODAY, the court refused to hear it.

So this is a victory for Cliff, but he says he expects it to go to the US Supreme court.

It is interesting, because, of course, MOYERS would have benefited from these corporate $$$$!!!!

be listed as the defendant? How would this affect Moyer if at all?

Moyer was a BIG recipient of illegal corporate donations through the CC.

Arnebeck's suit wants to SEE the list of corporate donors.

Does it directly effect Moss v. Bush.
at all?

:shrug:

I imagine that Arnebeck is not Moyer's favorite person, though!

It seems as though it is a thread in the larger matrix of the election fraud.:shrug: Just a thought since this case was originally filed with the election fraud case??

but I think you're right! The fabric of dirty politics in Ohio.