OK, update but with absolutely no new information...

except that my sources are in full pester mode themselves, and assure me that as soon as they have the data and details, my phone will ring.

Sorry about this. If you think you are being tortured, attempt to imagine being me right now. Pacing the house, smoking seven cigarettes simultaneously, occasionally picking fights with the cat to relieve tension, jabbering incoherent gibberish at the potted plants, refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh...

I need someone to stick an icepick into by brainstem, like Maury from 'Goodfellas.'

the time to tell you that smoking is bad for your health then?

so I wouldn't get beat up as much.

I got stomped on when I mentioned I'd help someone try to quit on DU once.

they can take a joke

I have noticed a willingness to lighten up from time to time. I guess the same can't be said about the lounge. ;)

I have not been over there. What do they talk about?

We talk about anything and everything the moderators will let us talk about1 It's fun... try it some time!

In peace,

Radio_Lady

well almost. Some subjects are discouraged due to their inherent nature to get out of hand. ;) In all seriousness, it's a fun place. How's that for a paradox?

That might take your mind off things. Oh, and leave the cat alone.

I kid you not. Any association with the time of year is completely coincidental.

:)

I received a 99 for my efforts. The instructor is a * supporter, which was disappointing to learn.

quote into a term paper in late summer. I'm not sure how I can get vote suppression/manipulation into a term paper on christology though.

I share your symbol and recognize it...

I have a friend who recently graduated from Meadville. Anyway..that's for another thread (I tried to PM you, but I'm too "newbie" to be allowed in!).

Good luck with your studies, anyway.

PS You think we'll know anything on this thread today?

not a chance of relocating my family there. Besides, I'm a wimp when it comes to cold weather. It drops below 70 and I start to shiver. Congrats to your friend.

I don't know the answer to your question, but it's getting awfully late on the eastern seaboard.

information about election fraud into lectures on Social Psychology. It may not have been a perfect fit - but I did it! The power of conformity on what we are willing to discuss in public; the personality type of whistleblowers; and the power of Groupthink on decision-makers who make stupid decisions (like trying to steal 100,000's votes in multiple states).

On Edit: A suggestion about the Christology paper.. I don't know if this is theoretical enough for you to use, but -- I read a post around here somewhere earlier this morning that pointed out to Republican Congresspersons from Oklahoma that defending the rights of all voters would be the Christ-like thing to do. Awkward paraphrase: As you behave toward the least of my people, so you behave toward me?

:evilgrin:

most voters fits quite nicely into lectures on social psychology. Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in your classroom. "Escape from Freedom" by Fromm is absolutely chilling when read in 2004.

Hmmmm...upon reflection of your words I think vote fraud could be worked into this paper. LOL!

That is, after all, where you will hear the emphasis on the poor and outcast, the marginalized. Luke tells us Christ will turn the world upside-down where the mighty will be brought low (see: Magnificat).

What an intruiging thought, to write a Christological perspective on the election fraud! If I had the inclination....

Nah, never mind. I once told a friend, "If I EVER make any hints that I'm thinking of doing my DDiv (NOT a DMin!!), shoot me. Just put me out of my misery before it all begins.

Here's to you, Pacifist Patriot! :toast:

on edit:
aw, shit, how could I forget Liberation Theology??? Guess I've been out of seminary too long!

My previous paper touched on process theology which ties in nicely with liberation and feminist theologies. My January 9 sermon is about process theology, perhaps I can use some of that material for this term paper. I can definitely see some christological perspective on election fraud when process theology is incorporated. Thanks for the nudge.

weel, I tried

We talk about this in our home all the time. If Kerry had won by corrupting the system, we would be speaking out just (okay, almost) as loudly.

I haven't come right out and asked him, but I suspect he was a marching activist in the 60s.

Two out of 3 of the ministers at my UU Church are from that UU school. You would probably recognize the name of at least one of them.

Hope your paper is well underway!

:kick:

secular university graduate program route with a UU minister as a dissertation advisor. If I had to choose among the three I'd go Starr King though. Much better weather than M-L or Harvard. ;)

Actually, this paper shouldn't be too tough. The last one was tying in Mother Tersa with Jerry Davidson Wheatley so this ought to be a snap. The slums of Calcutta and quantum physics are a bit of a leap.

Thanks!

lips. Deep breaths, close your eyes and relax.

It will all be okay....

a watch kettle never boils

me too

with laughter

Silly rabbit, cigs are not good for you (though I am going to go light one up in a minute myself) :smoke:

on top of old smokey & puffing right along with youze guys!
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Me ;)

:silly:

I don't mind the no smoking policy too much (except times like this). It does keep me from smoking too much, especially in the winter. There are not too many things worst than smoking outside in the freezing weather. :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:

at least 3 patches. When I flew to London a couple of years ago I had to wear 2 so I wouldn't climb the walls and freak out my fellow passengers. The last time I worked in a regular office was 18 years ago, and they were just starting to impliment laws. I had my own office then so it was ok. When it came to returning to work after being a stay at home mom, I opted to start a weekend biz instead, and sold cool things at music festivals, fairs and flea markets. I then transfered that to a home business once I became familiar with the net. Believe it or not, the ability to smoke (and personal freedom) were determining factors in my career choice.

If I stayed at home to work, I would not get a lot of work done. It takes a well disciplined person to operate a business from home! :toast: I lift my glass to you! You are very lucky indeed.

or my bills don't get paid! giggling :) Please don't envy my freedom, I do have two teenage sons both at stages where they are feeling independence, and yet at the same time being overly dependent on me. So in actuality, I do have a boss, two of them in fact. ;)

Thanks for the update..this waiting however is driving me crazy

gonna make it real hard to quite come Jan 1. I'm thinking of pushing it back until Jan. 6! That will have far more meaning to me. If our Senators can come through with restoring democracy, I can come through with giving up the ONLY nasty habit I still have left!

Resolutions are made to be broken. <puff, puff>

"All Democrats will be given a one week extension on the commencement of their 2005 Resolutions. However, members of Democratic Underground, who have been nail-biting since November 2nd, may push back the commencement date until January 20th, if necessary." ;-)

I will forward this authoritative statement to my husband, who quit 4 years ago and is willing to tie me up and put me in a padded room for the duration of my withdrawal symptoms if necessary! Maybe he'll buy it!

Put's quite a different meaning to your sentence. LOL

Will, I have everything crossed, including my eyes. We'll just wait with you right here, and hold your hand.

I wish I hadn't started back up after the previous 7 month quitting stint LAST New Years! It will be even harder THIS one! I really do want to quit quite badly, but what will 5 more days do?

Actually, it probably wasn't a mistake. If I was still smoking, I wouldn't dream of quitting now. And I keep telling myself that if I made it through November 3rd without a cigarette, I can make it through anything. That's what I keep telling myself, anyway.

Will, thanks for keeping the vigil.

Hang in there; we are!

...a pen in the eye ("Good Fellas")? :P If anyone thinks they have it bad waiting here, I just got finished watching "Garfield: The Movie"...80 minutes of my life I'll never get back. Aarrgghh!

Sorry about that...I'm new here! I meant to reply to the post about the icepick in the head, not yours! :) Still learning my way around here.

having wasted money to see Bill Murray's latest -- Something about Aquatic Adventures of Steve Zissou. The only I could think on the way out of the theater afterwards was Thank God I did not go see this on Christmas Day.

Tip of the week: If you like Bill Murray DO NOT go see this film. If you don't like Bill Murray DO NOT go see this film. The only good time to see this film would be after a major operation while still under anesthesia - no, wait, not even then.

:puke:

...then Murray's new one must really suck! Yeesh! ;)

Dang, I'm so nervous here (although still smoking my cigarettes one at a time). I feel like a kid on a car trip..."Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we..."

Consider meditation for the nerves. I am trying to talk myself into a state in which I can be active, effective, and calm. I really do think that Jan 6th is a big day and we need to make *sure* there is a contest. In all likelihood Bush will be inaugurated on the 20th and we will have to be active, effective, and calm for a few more months before all hell breaks loose, the administration falls hard, and we find a way to make the Constitution work for the people such that Kerry is inaugurated a few months down the line. I've been making comments for a while now to the effect that we need to think waaaaaaaay 'outside the box'....

:-)

you can configure microsoft outlook to check for mail at a set interval, and a little envelope icon appears on your screen when you have new mail.

your email service provider probably has a help page somewhere to walk you through this.

however, please don't attempt this today until after you've posted today's news ;) and THANKS for keeping us informed!

Makes it easier to get mail on the road.

refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh refresh...

and leave your cat alone, poor thing. :D

:P

:7

"Hairless, bleeding bastard had it coming."

"I'm sure that's what the cat's thinking about you right now"


The cat was thinking what all cats think about when they look at us ... "If I was just a little bit bigger, I could eat him."

This is the reason my cat doesn't sleep with me. :scared:

are the courts even open today? Could this be the reason for the delay? :shrug:

p.s. Since the election I've been smoking a lot more than usual.

This stuff takes work. I worked for lawyers for years, and if they aren't racing to get something filed 2 seconds before the clerk's office closes, they just don't feel fulfilled. There's a reason my hair went gray before I ever got into this business.

until the end of business, the day before inauguration day.

Why the heck not. Kerry/Edwards - if they ever get involved - will assuredly wait until the very last minute, or until it's too late. That way "they tried" and made good on their promise to fight for the count of the votes.

It's ridiculous. Anyone who is hanging on this guy Pitt and the actions of some Ohio attorney is setting themself up for major dissapointment.

The "Attack Fellow DUers" forum is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=132

I think you got lost.

I'm expressing my opinion. We can still do that here, can't we?

Or is this forum your exclusive playground to ride the emotional waves created everytime you post a teaser?

You're only questioning my integrity, motives and sources.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=132

I'LL REPEAT WHAT I WROTE IN ANOTHER THREAD:

a true American Patriot...

Thanks for helping to keep us sane and for keeping us informed! It's nice to know that there are SOME journalists out there with integrity and credibility! I'm anxiously waiting for the "Miracle on Pennsylania Avenue"!!!I believe!! "Faith is believing in things when common sense tells you not to." PEACE!


So-things are stressful today! So what? What else is new? I appreciate your honesty and I, for one, am tired of the belly-aching and the whining that you have been subjected to on this thread. Some things just take time! I'm not suggesting that anyone should be "happy" about it- I'm just suggesting that there are some things that we have no control over. Wait a minute- I'm reaching for a cig............
So there!!!!!

Questioning motives seems counter-productive :spank: It is of my humble opinion that we proceed in a UNIFIED manner...I've got faith in the people posting on this thread! My God- we are all here for the same reason...TO FIGHT LIKE HELL AGAINST CORRUPTION AND FRAUD and to help restore some dignity, integrity and TRUTH into our democracy! I'm fighting to restore morals and ethics by hopefully exposing the grave injustice this administration has bestowed upon its people! Anyone with me?

And finally.....Will, many thanks for your unwavering support! You are appreciated!:hi:

That Thomas Jefferson guy
That JFK guy

yer funny

Agreed dissapointment is certainly possible. I feel like this * guy hijacked our democracy and is crashing it. I'll take hope wherever I can find it, even from a courageous brilliant voice for democracy.

Aloha

question to CementDude -- Will is working on exposing the news that the MSM won't cover. He has been on the story for some time. He writes the articles, makes public appearances, gives speeches, offers hope and support for those of us that NEED the support, information for those of us that NEED the info, a calm voice when those of us can't think straight, a shoulder to lean on when we feel all hope has been hijacked... etc.

Just what have YOU done, as an individual to further the cause? Have you written oped pieces for your local paper? Have you made any "out in front" speeches to those that are involved in the movement? Have you done anything that can be held up as an example to others as something positive to do with your frustration? Has anyone attacked you with a can of Chef Boyardee because of your efforts? (sorry Will, I just HAD to!)

I will wait for Will's update. I KNOW what he has done and will continue to do and I appreciate every minute of it.

Thanks Will!

The guy attacked with a boulder, and *I* counterattacked with the ravioli. By the way, my mom's friends gave me a can of the Chef, wrapped and with a bow on top, for Christmas. :)

Thanks, by the way. I hope I hear something soon.

I should send you a case then. You're gonna need it when all hell breaks loose!

I thought you said this wasn't the forum to "attack" fellow DU'ers.

that you'd been attacked. Everything recovering nicely? Certainly hope so...wouldn't want that literary and investigative flow to be interrupted.

On a side note - nicotine gum sucks. Definitely picked the wrong day to stop smoking.

made cash donations when called upon. I've added my voice via the media blaster. I've spoken with relatives, co-workers and friends who have spread the word to other relatives, co-workers and friends.

Most importantly, I voted. Therefore I've got as much right as anyone else here to either praise or be critical.

N/T

expressed in this post, though I don't necessarily believe that Will should have liability. Based on his posts, Will seems credible to me, not a propagandist but a legitimate informer. I find it more difficult to defend Senator Kerry, though I'd be the first to admit he may have a plan to challenge election '04 which he's keeping to himself, an opinion fairly often expressed at DU. Kerry's present silence and relative inertia with respect to election '04 is maddening, however, to those of us on the ground. Silence is certainly sometimes a virtue, but there's also something to be said for (unambiguously) rallying the troops.

..and with those who have unreasonable expectations of him.

In fact, it's ENTIRELY with Bush**, and to paint anyone BUT him as the enemy is what's unreasonable.

NGU.

He's the only link we've had to finding out anything that's been going on behind the scenes. He's doing the best he can under the circumstances and his information has always been good.

examines until final examines and then they have all night cram sessions to prep for the finals. The adrenalin rush is what feeds their procrastination, they love to be on the edge, to almost be upon the date, those last minute filings (not to mention writings) that make them feel alive! :argh:

Which, BTW, their staff hate! :nuke:

I was a legal secretary for 25 years, Will -- you're absolutely right about the last-minute thing. Lawyers thrive on that adrenaline. Legal secretaries get the urge to kill.

I think those attorneys are constitutionally unable to focus or write unless they are completely up against a deadline.

They would leave us an hour to type, proof, copy, correct, sign, endure their last minute changes to something, and then back to what they had before, and get it to the messenger to get to the court by 5 pm

that was slowly crawling through Boston traffic because it was in the way and I had to get to the Suffolk courthouse to file something in three minutes.

Yeesh.

A 45-page brief from dictation to rough draft, three revisions, a couple of inches of exhibits to be marked and copied and the whole mess to be filed and served on three other attorneys before 4:30. No electronic filing. URGE - TO - KILL!!!

This is why these days I'm a legal transcriptionist working out of my home at my own pace with no pesky attorneys to deal with.

Also much easier to drop in on DU without getting "caught."

I'm pacing minus the cigarettes.

Interesting, MSNBC just mentioned a new Osama tape that may be aired later today. The Kerry news must be close. They only roll out Osama when they really want to divert.

I'm going to have to walk away from the board for a bit. Think I'll hang the lights in my tiki bar. Hopefully by the time I get back, we'll all have a bit more to chat about.

now i'm thinking it would be better to quit on new years day.

this is nuts!

Besides, if I can gloat on Kerry news later and kick the habit....man, things are lookin up!

Doesn't hurt that I spent alot of time in the hospital last week with a sick relative. Saw way too many people suffering from smoking related illness. HAVE TO KICK IT ASAP!

It's not often that I really giggle or laugh outright while at my computer. I'm so glad someone finally picked up on it!

That is one of my all-time favorite movies.

and don't call me Shirley.

Gladiator movies?

Sorry, couldn't resist one more.

Also, I feel a little like that scene from the movie....except that you are the pilot. I keep poking my head in and saying "Good luck...we are all counting on you." Meanwhile, you are sweating feverishly waiting for that damn phone to ring and steering this little ship we call the USS Democracy!

Have no fear....they are talking about releasing the latest Osama tape this afternoon. Your (our) upcoming news must be pretty important for them to roll it out today.

Man, watching footage of Phuket and Phi Phi Islands in Thailand. Most beautiful place I've ever had the pleasure of visiting. Keep you thoughts and more importantly your donations to the people of SE Asia.

And Leon is getting laaaaaaaaaaarger...

Rapunzel! Rapunzel!

Chump don't want no help? Chump don't get no help! Sheeeeeeet.

I did not realize until this very moment how badly I need to own that movie on DVD.

today is good day to start again.....
and let me see if I can find some good glue
:crazy: :smoke:

now everyone knows I'm old.

And I'm old, too.

No way to beat that stuff from '67 - '72 or so. Man, those were the days. :hippie: (Brain cells miraculously still intact)

you'll get the same results. :crazy:

if you will. But you never know...I may get inspired to break out the blender after I'm done.

Hopefully Kerry and others will be giving me reason to celebrate. If that's the case.....DRINKS ARE ON ME AT THE TIKI!

like I'm going to have to distract myself by going out for lighting while it's on sale.

I'd also like to note working around the bar has made me slowly start to crave something frozen with a little umbrella.

:crazy:

I agree with you ... if they're pulling Osama out of the moth balls, it's gonna be big! :bounce:

I bet the message will begin with something like ... "The infidels will claim the vote was rigged in Ohio, but they can't be trusted ..." :eyes:

comfort and aid by trying to distract the resolute Bush with their crazy election theories. Only the brave and noble Blackwell has prevented them from paralyzing your government."

:evilgrin:

Silly me ... how could I forget the whole "comfort and aid" angle? :eyes:

I've already run around the backyard with the dogs and put a load of laundry in the washer. Maybe I'll feed my birds. I could do lesson plans, naahhh...too productive, and I've got the rest of the week to do that. I'll feed the birds and give my finger a rest. Dogs are barking, maybe the mail is here. Aah... a momentary diversion! Thanks, Will!

I've got no stinkin' nails left. x(

NO MFin WAY!


And I'm ashamed of them for thinking that way.


Obsessive, Compulsive, AND an Orphan too?

does not work
I tried it and it brought
me to a new lowx( ;(

we will all want to kiss you when you post the real update! I gotta go to a doctor's appt. now, but will be back later. Please hug your kitty for me.

I will give him a bear-hug though. No matter what happens.
I owe him one for the troll turds he always gets hit with for being a standard-bearer...we all do.
Exceptin' the trolls, of course.

happening would make them wait? It is a global tragedy. God forbid JFK would blah, blah, blah (sarcasm)- Just think of the SPIN! Don't know but I do know that when the Red Sox won an eclipse happened... This too will happen when it's supposed to. What is going on with Mother Nature...

Call and talk to the clerk. That's what I do when I want to know if my case has been filed.

once on Freespeech TV with you addressing a crowd from a stool (smoking!) really was you? I can't remember the occasion, since I didn't know who you were at the time, but your manic energy really projected well as I recall. You were hitting the bushies hard, too, and I loved that part. Sorry for the repeated smoking references, but I am a Californian. The most depraved behavior is ho-hum to us, but SMOKING???? :-) Appreciate all your efforts!

Replace those nutrients! We need you strong!

and the oral office

I am so SICK of hearing billy's little sexual sins. If you want material, there's some Real Stuff out there, but anyone who still looks at monika/cigar as a current joke is bloody stupid, imho.

that was not was I meant at all in my original post - but I guess MSM and freepers have marinated You in that useless piece of info.

were not talking about the "cigar"

Do you think you speak for everyone on what is funny or not.You don't even sound like you have a sense of humor so who mad you the freaking joke police.

By the way, that is what is going to go down in the history books for Clinton, sad to say.


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He expounds at some length and gives the text of the Kerry lawyer's statement. The DU thread where this KO blog installment is being discussed is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x198486

I would especially like to hear Will's reaction to this, how much he agrees with KO and what alternative opinions he may have.

:evilgrin:

Hey, you pick fights with your cat on purpose, too? And I thought I was the only one that desperate to win an argument. Luckily, I have a cat that LIVES for a petty squabble. He sits on a chair by the kitchen door, waiting for someone to walk by so he can reach out and swipe them.

If it's any comfort, 98.38% of respondants to this thread are cheering you on. :D

Is sitting inside a brown paper sack right now.
Everytime I walk by she swipes at me too!
Putting away decorations and checking the DU
frequently is what I am doing today.
Thanks for all your hard work, Will. Much appreciated
here in the red state of Iowa. Hey, at least my
county went blue!

I'LL REPEAT WHAT I WROTE IN ANOTHER THREAD:

a true American Patriot...

Thanks for helping to keep us sane and for keeping us informed! It's nice to know that there are SOME journalists out there with integrity and credibility! I'm anxiously waiting for the "Miracle on Pennsylania Avenue"!!!I believe!! "Faith is believing in things when common sense tells you not to." PEACE!


So-things are stressful today! So what? What else is new? I appreciate your honesty and I, for one, am tired of the belly-aching and the whining that you have been subjected to on this thread. Some things just take time! I'm not suggesting that anyone should be "happy" about it- I'm just suggesting that there are some things that we have no control over. Wait a minute- I'm reaching for a cig............
So there!!!!!

Questioning motives seems counter-productive :spank: It is of my humble opinion that we proceed in a UNIFIED manner...I've got faith in the people posting on this thread! My God- we are all here for the same reason...TO FIGHT LIKE HELL AGAINST CORRUPTION AND FRAUD and to help restore some dignity, integrity and TRUTH into our democracy! I'm fighting to restore morals and ethics by hopefully exposing the grave injustice this administration has bestowed upon its people! Anyone with me?

And finally.....Will, many thanks for your unwavering support! You are appreciated!:hi:

Thanks so much Will.....:yourock:

:toast: I do believe we've got them backed into a corner...all of there actions validify their guilt!! Thanks, Pam-Moby! A kindred spirit!!!!

on aisle 86. :P

Will

I am the SE Ohio Co-ord for the Green party, Hocking County is my turf, so to speak. If you would find it usefull, please contact me for my notes on Triad and Ms Eaton, I spent over 4 hours in note taking with herand was present at the Monday Hocking BoE meeting.

I also have information on possible ways to hack or verify punchcard and optical scan systems.

Best
Orren Whiddon
SE Ohio Green
info@4qf.org

Thank goodness you are only suffering from healthy anxiety, while it appears more and more likely that our POS POTUS has a degenerating physical condition....

If he doesn't press the red button before he has another "pretzel swallowing" seizure, NATURE may do for us what our government, populace, and media seem disinclined to do, even though it threatens both our physical, mental, and ethical well-being: GET THE FLESH-EATING VIRUS (KNOWN AS THE BUSHITLER DYNASTY) SURGICALLY REMOVED FROM OUR BODY POLITIC.

You're too important to this movement to quit now. You are hitting refresh and the cat, so we don't have to. ;-)

:hi: WE ARE ALL WINNERS HERE! We refuse to sit back and accept this travesty of justice. "Indifference is the enemy" Elie Weisel

to wait in line for 10 hours not knowing if your vote will even be counted!

:toast:

Help me Obi-wan!

It's almost 3:00 (EST) ... when will we know something???

Shouldn't we know something by now???
its 2:58. .. .. . we're going crazy!

(But thank you Will .. Sincere thanks)

know I've been chopping onions and peppers for an hour and that's gotten my agressions out...but I've kind of lost what it is I'm waiting in anticipation for? Is it Kerry's filing? Didn't he do it with Cobb by e-mail on Friday? Or, was he going to do a separate filing today...or is it a full lawsuit and not a "filing in support."

What about New Mexico..Cobb Website says they've been blocked by NM Supremes from a recount unless they come up with the Million...which is illegal. Where does Kerry stand on this? Does he need to come in and take it to Ohio Federal District Court and then up to US Supremes? Where's the help from Richardson on this?

Where are our Dem Leaders in Ohio on this? Why isn't anyone making a huge stink about this?

Maybe I'll just chop more peppers or chase my cats...:crazy:

They'll be at your door in two minutes.

Feels like we're all waiting for a baby to be born. Hope the MSM covers the birth announcement when it finally arrives.

DBD is at a technical high here in the market anyway, so a pullback is likely anyway... however, i am seeing some unusual activity here in the last 10 minutes or so.... dropping from 55.60 to 55.05

it seems awfully like someone in the know is trying to step out of some shares before .... ?

personally, i just loaded up on jan 50 option puts for dbd....

d.

You are the only member I can think of that can generate a 100+ response thread by (essentially) declaring "Absolutely nothing to report yet."

:silly:

Joseph Kinnery, Columbus Phone 614-719-3000

His office probably knows.

Case # C2-04-1139

I'd call but it is your scoop. You deserve the credit. I'm just a lawyer; it would do me no good.

I'm also a bit confused if there are two cases or one. Toledo and Columbus. Read something that said Cobb intended to file in Toledo.

But I got this case number off the counter-claim filed in the Southern District.

Please let the misery end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARGHHHH!!!!!

In the meantime, a fascinating development...

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112

<snip>

DAY OF INFAMY 2001
Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane
'shot down' in Pennsylvania
During surprise Christmas Eve trip, defense secretary contradicts official story
Posted: December 27, 2004
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WASHINGTON – Ever since Sept. 11, 2001, there have been questions about Flight 93, the ill-fated plane that crashed in the rural fields of Pennsylvania.

The official story has been that passengers on the United Airlines flight rushed the hijackers in an effort to prevent them from crashing the plane into a strategic target – possibly the U.S. Capitol.

During his surprise Christmas Eve trip to Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld referred to the flight being shot down – long a suspicion because of the danger the flight posed to Washington landmarks and population centers. <snip>

Found this on drudge of all places.

to keep track of, especially when you are getting old and senile.

I think he got the reason for the crash right (shot down) but named the wrong culprit (terrorists). My suspicion is that our military shot down the plane but for PR reasons denied it. Then, when the recorder was found, it became all the messier to admit who shot it down because one of the last things on the tape was the passenger saying "Let's roll!" What if the passengers were about to take control of the plane when the US military shot it out of the sky...yikes.

There was a 911 dispatcher who took a call from a passenger aboard flight 93 at about 9:58, a few minutes before the plane went down. He reported seeing smoke. I'm not sure, but I think he also reported hearing an explosion. He was locked in the bathroom when he made the call. The dispatcher was later given an award for his heroics on that day, though I'm not sure what is heroic about taking a call. His supervisor got on the call, too, listening in after being alerted by the original dispatcher that a hijacking call had come in. The FBI put a gag order on these folks. The passenger's name was Edward Felt.

If it's true that President Bush gave the order to shoot down planes that day (as Cheney said on a news interview show), and if there was indeed a plane shot down and we (and the 911 Com.) were lied to about that, isn't that a tad more reason to undertake impeachment proceedings than is, say, a stained blue dress?

I, too, share in your suspicions!

2 cents PRIZE for the first DU'er to find this CONTEMPORANEOUS (to 9/11) reference by this mad dog fascist.....

I'll provide it for a nickel.

"It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them."

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Missile-Not-Flight-77.html

The damage to the Pentagon is totally inconsistent with a 757 flying thru a tiny spider hole, and then vaporizing without leaving any recognizable debris.

But totally consisent with a missile, and Rumsfelds "slip" (for the Bushitler administration, slips are when you tell the TRUTH)

I agree, after having read up on what is available on the internets, that there are too many inconsistencies between the official stories and what a few people have reported and found.

Many people were probably aware that there were conspiracy theories about what happened on 9/11. I was also, but I didn't take it seriously until about a month ago. I'd also heard about election fraud in 2000 but didn't take it seriously until this time around.

We Americans, collectively, are indeed compliant sheep to have accepted what we have been told, on 9/11 and after both elections. The alternative, that people in our own government are doing this to us, or allowing it to happen for their own purposes, is still too horrific for most people to accept. And anyone who is not questioning what has happened is effectively part of the problem, reinforcing the belief in the official stories.

I don't know that the mass hypnosis media are so much leading the cover-up as being complicit partners of it. I would not be surprised if only a few people are at the source of all this. Perhaps not even Bush really knows what is happening (or worse, perhaps he does). There are some who know more about what really happened than others, of course. Some are more willing to ignore or slight the inconsistencies more than others.

But not enough of us (yet) have been skeptical enough about what we have been told, to gather contrary evidence, and to communicate to one another and eventually achieve critical mass so that we might awaken the masses. What can we do to gain that critical mass?

Maybe we are on the way now, in this democratic underground, and many other places around the internets. But it seems to be moving so slow... .. .