What was Hartman just saying about GWB wearing a defibulator

... and having a series of small strokes as a result?????

I just cought the end... was he joking?

Portable defibulator. May have had some small strokes. He said some docs have come forward to put this forth.

I forget the name of a web site he mentioned.

very small ones, the little prick.

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I'll try to find it.

http://www.rubyan.com/politics/archives/002393.html

From my blog:

http://www.blah3.com/article.php?story=20041015160938885&query=lifevest

-as

A de-fib-ulator would never work on Little Boots, anyway. It's in his DNA to lie, cheat and steal.

Remember during the debates, what was that bulge under Bush's coat? Might be this...

http://atlanta.indymedia.org/newswire/display/35360/index.php

and he has had Transient Ischemic Attacks, (TIA) which are also known as mini strokes. Usually TIAs are predictive of a major event, aka a major stroke, in some cases a life ending event.

If that report from Indymedia is true... (since they go into wernicke syndrome as well) we have a nut in charge with one foot in the grave already... but does explain the statins

My father experienced many TIA's concurrent with developing Alzheimer's disease. The first time one happened, he was driving, trying to back out of the driveway, and found that he couldn't move his right foot to apply the brake. He stopped the car by stepping on the emergency brake with his left leg. Paramedics took him to the hospital, 3 blocks away, where he was treated with anti-stroke (clot-breaking) medications.

I wonder if during the first debate with Kerry, Bush's drooping mouth on one side was due to a recent TIA.

that he could get a shock. Hope your Dad is ok.

and small strokes are not the same thing. although tia's are referred to as mini-strokes, by definition, if there is permanent damage, it is a stroke. the t stands for transient, meaning that the symptoms are short lived. the actual dividing line is fuzzy, since a small stroke, promptly and properly treated will not always leave permanent damage.

a major event, a real stroke... and Statins and other drugs are usually given after a TIA event, as well as a series of tests

Remember folks, the preznit is in amazingly good health, according to Bethesda, but we are putting him on Statins anyway... after all we did find a tad of hardening in the arteries, but nothing to worry about.

Ok, whatever... he also seems to have the same problems as daddy, Wernicke syndrome, which also has TIAs as a major component.

segway accident, etc. Perhaps, everytime we have seen him with facial abrasions he had an episode?

that his facial abrasions are from falling down sloppy drunk, or from rough sex with candi in the oval office
:spank:

that Laura finally 'clocked' him.

(but it's too much of a stretch of the imagination)

But the lithium smile plastered on her stepford wife demeanor leads me to lose hope that this will happen.

:nopity: And I don't feel sorry for him one iota.

...to put that mental image in my head! ;)

This is just another example of the SCLM ignoring any story that is critical of Shrubya. We had two straight (so to speak ;)) weeks of them talking about Kerry calling Mary Cheney a lesbian (a fact) and almost nothing about whatever it was he had on his back in the first debate. Maddening, but sadly, typical. :(

syndrome. He is a dry drunk afterall. Dorian Grayitis perhaps.

It is an unfortunate sign of how we have become accustomed to the steady stream of lies, filth, and garbage excuses and rationales from this administration, to the point where the double-speak no longer enrages us.

The implications of what appears to be a likely serious health impairment of the the POS POTUS, when COMBINED with the likely coverup and blatant lies from the Brown House, are TREMENDOUS.

The MSM ignore this story, and we treat it as a joke...

During the debates there were many signs that something was not right with him physically and mentally, people were sort of whispering it, but no one had the balls to come out and ask the real questions out loud.

I don't know why or what hold this POS has over the media and us actually, but it is like our country is hypnotized or something. We see things happening that don't make sense, know nothing fits right together anymore and yet we react by ripping one another apart and destroying each other over things we use to tolerate for the msot part rather well. And when would we ever allow the blatant fraud and ugliness we saw during the elections? I worked for a public program where we arranged rides for people unable to drive with senior citizens who volunteered to drive. I remember some saying I suppose I'll have to drive those damn democrats/republicans to the polls, but it was all done due to respect we have/had for the vote.

One day we will find out why the media is doing this.

The article rosebud posted was especially interesting.
http://atlanta.indymedia.org/newswire/display/35360/index.php

TIAs and Grave's desease are of gravely serious concern.

And YES, it is infuriating if the White House LIED about the defib. unit.

Below are some of the problems associated with dementias, including vascular and alcoholic (Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome). Some of the things in this list were observed by Dr. Franks in Mr. Bush. Other items exist further along in the progression of the disease.

- progressive loss of memory
- inability to concentrate
- decrease in problem-solving skills and judgement capability
- persistence in failed problem-solving modes, "staying the course" at all costs (perseveration)
- confusion
- hallucination, delusions
- altered sensation or perception
- impaired recognition (agnosia) of familiar objects or persons
- altered sleep patterns
- MOTOR SYSTEM IMPAIRMENT
-----gait changes
-----inappropriate movements
-----other impairments of motor system
- disorientation
- inability to generalize, learn, think abstractly, or perform calculations
- MEMORY DEFICIT
----- short term (can't remember new things)
----- long term (can't remember past) Persons with this may make up stories to cover up nothing but the memory lapse itself. (confabulation)
- IMPAIRED LANGUAGE ABILITY
----- inability to comprehend speech
----- inability to read (alexia)
----- inability to write (agraphia)
----- inability to find words (aphasiia)
----- inability to repeat a phrase
----- persistent repetition of phrases or words (Much has been made of President Bush's use of the word "fabulous.")
- PERSONALITY PROBLEMS
----- irritability
----- poor temper management
----- anxiety
----- depression
----- indecisiveness
----- self-centeredness
----- inflexibility
----- no observable mood (flat affect)
----- inappropriate mood or behavior
----- withdrawal from social interaction
----- inability to function in social or personal situations
----- lack of spontaneity

until we get a way to the Murican consciousness there is precious little we can do.

Fuck I had some ladies over here, and I started talking over the fraud issue. I had the filing of the Kerry lawsuit in front of me... quote, "it is not really news on the net..."

prior to an election??????????????

;-) But seriously, remember how he postponed his annual, official, presidential check-up until after the election because of how busy he was on the campaign trail??

I know my presidents pretty well, and I don't recall him/her.

Note: Bartlett refers to the TV show West Wing, President Bartlett is played by Martin Sheen.

(Being a Wing Nut, West Wing Fan, I take offense in people using the term wingnut to berate anyone)

-Hoot

I remember they used the word superior because it sounded so arrogant!, nd it was repeated over and over again on tthe news.......

Defibrillators are now part of pacemakers. And could be used for something as minor as precautionary. It could be his cardiologist saw enough arrhythmias to warrant it. And it could even be that it's not ventricular. It could be an atrial defibrillator.
But it does warm my soul to think he could be a heartbeat away from starting into Satan's eyes.

after his physical; something about them all assenting that he will remain fit for duty for the remainder of his next term.

Sounds like they found something (or had already) and all had to swear that it was controllable, and therefore there was no need for further disclosure.

The stroke scenario would go a long way to explaining a lot of peculiar compensatory behavior.

:shrug:

how Jeb Bartlett was censored by congress after an investigation as to how he lied to the American public by his omission of his MS. :freak:

the "bulge" on Bush's back during the debates touched off more investigations and consultations with experts of all sorts. There were also other photos that appeared to show the boxlike bulge, and there were also reports of odd behavior during previous Bush public appearances, as if he were indeed responding to a wire.

Two main schools of thought emerged about the identity of the Bulge, and both have vociferous proponents:
1. Bush was wired for prompting during the debates, and the box on his back was for receiving encrypted transmissions and sending them to a wireless speaker hidden in his ear.
2. Bush was wearing a portable defibrillator.

There are photos available showing the dimensions and appearance of both kinds of hardware and comparing with the "bulge." There was clearly SOMETHING under Bush's jacket.

When the denials about possibilities #1 and #2 failed to get traction--no one seemed to believe that it was the result of poor tailoring as they initially insisted -- the WH eventually issued a statement that the bulge was a bullet-proof vest, though they had denied that earlier. This would be possibility #3, and several experts came forward to say that it doesn't fit the appearance of the bulge. So we are probably back to #1 and #2.

Sorry, I didn't save these links, but they are referred to frequently and shouldn't be hard to find. So far as I know, there is no proof of any of the possible identifications, though personally I lean toward #1. The pictures of the portable defibrillator model proposed as the cause of The Bulge don't seem to match its apparent contours IMO, while there are receiver/transmitter models that do. And Bush's behavior at the debates and at some other public events did seem to support the use of a prompter. When he speaks on his own he has had increasing difficulty being coherent and not making embarrassing errors, so it would make sense.

Speculation still runs rampant. Without new data, though, the identification of the Bulge cannot IMO be firm. The theories have been discussed enough that sometimes they are described as fact. I haven't seen any indication of proof one way or the other, though.

the symptoms and family history of Graves and visual evidence of TIA, that we have all seen, are of serious concern.

See article linked by rosebud.

The photos of The Bulge in the article are identified without reservation as the particular model of defibrillator. In fact, the evidence is just as good if not better for a fit with a transmitter/receiver device. ( I recall an expert with a "spy stuff" shop in San Francisco saying that in his opinion that is what it was. The line leading up to the shoulder from the box, visible in the enhanced images, was said to the antenna. I didn't save the URL, but this was from a Salon.com article.) In no way is the evidence for a defibrillator as firm as the Atlantaindy article suggests. Nor can doctors make a diagnosis without examining the patient. There's a disclaimer paragraph to this effect in the article:

Of course, even in this day of e-medicine, it is difficult and uncertain for anyone to diagnose a patient without having access to examination and test results. That doesn't stop physicians and psychologists from trying, especially on someone with President Bush's visibility. Obviously, considerable testing and examination have been done; but the American public does not always have the latest results, as they found out after other presidents, including Roosevelt and Kennedy, left office. Besides photographic evidence, there are observations and quotes from doctors, based on hours of Bush TV appearances, voluminous reports in the media, and the president's own words.

The family history is real and there is reason for suspicion from the other sources cited, but that it is all it is at this point, suspicion. Personally, I think Bush's eroding ability to speak and his apparent susceptibility to falls indicate something major, but I don't think we can draw firm diagnoses from what is publically available.

Look how long they hid Reagan's Alzheimers' Disease. Public discosure would have been inconvenient for his handlers, including the people who really ran the country.

that we know damned well that we are NOT getting the complete truth!!

I also strongly suspect that Bush's condition is worse than we have been told and that it does impede his ability to perform. Not clear, short of him requiring prolonged hospitalization or worse, what it would take to produce anything like the truth.

but I'm and ER physician and I know a lot about defibrillators--and I can tell you that as far as "The photos of The Bulge in the article are identified without reservation as the particular model of defibrillator" t-ain't so, no such beast

However if there was, this is what we would be treated to:
Bush goes into v-fib--the rhythm requiring him to be defibrillated
1) there would be a ten to thirty second pause while the rhythm is registered and analysed by the device--during this time George Bush would collapse to the floor
2) just as by-standers rushed to him they would be treated to the spectacle of George Bush flopping about like a fish while he is defibrillated If a by-stander touches him, he or she too would be defibrillated (a potentially fatal event)

It's probably easier to just have the Doc standing by with a defibrillator in a small traveling case

I had been wondering what would happen if Bush were on public TV and his secret "portable defibrillator" kicked in. I found it hard to believe that it would not produce SOME kind of visible effect, but I certainly didn't suspect the effects would be as dramatic as you portray. In my mind, this lays to rest the argument for the Bulge being a defibrillator. You're so right, it would have been much more sensible to have a doctor standing by.

As I said upthread, I think it is likely that the Bulge was the visible evidence of a clandestine encryption-decoding receiver and transmitter for a wireless speaker in Bush's ear. There are models that match the contours, including the antenna wire up the shoulder, and there are abundant reasons why he would be encouraged to use it.

But it remains speculation without proof. I am, however, convinced by your description that we can rule out the defibrillator. Thanks for simplifying it for me.

He'll also be filling in Wednesday.

Sorry -- no links, just stuff I've noticed along the way.

When he fell off his bike in Crawford, there were mentions of his physician being with him on the ride.

And more recently, there was some event -- perhaps his last overseas trip -- where his personal physician was also right at his side.

I've never seen much comment on this, but it does look strange.

--I just caught up with this thread--as a doctor, I have felt strongly that there is something wrong with Bush's health During the debates I was transfixed by his face--he clearly had left facial parasis--weakness--especially noticable around his mouth --I saw him a few days later and he looked somewhat better and seemed to have more facial strength His speech, though, continues to not scan correctly--it's more than a case of not being prepared in the debate--his sentence structures are very primitive and plodding--and the structure never varies-- There's also that irritibility--the falls from his bicycle then that photo of Bush with a glass of wine--is this multi-infarct dementia, alcohol-related cerebral atrophy, MS

Josh Marshall noted recently the unusual delay vis-a-vis the President's physical exam being delayed and was curious about it

Note--there is no external defibrillator that would look anything like the box Bush had on his back

Copy and Paste of part of the article.
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News :: Right Wing
PHOTOS Show George W. Bush Seriously Ill Physically
Current rating: 106
by C L Hallmark
Email: clh01 (unverified!)
21 Dec 2004
George W. Bush apparently is wearing a medical device for "persons at risk of cardiac arrest." It is a LifeVest wearable defibrillator. He started using it sometime after his January 2002 fainting spell, which was attributed to choking. Based on photos showing him wearing the device, one can conclude the fainting was due to atrial fibrillation (AF), which his father also had. His father's AF was caused by Graves' hyperthyroidism, which his mother also has. Bush likely has AF and less likely Graves', based on his family history and symptoms. The AF may have caused a stroke or TIA (mini-stroke), of which physicians watching the debates detected symptoms. Observers have noted psychological symptoms consistent with this and with Wernicke-Korsakoff disease.
"The President remains in superb physical condition," said Adam M. Robinson, Jr., commander of the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, MD, after the president's fourth annual physical at the center on December 11.

"The doctors said that Mr. Bush had a 'low' to 'very low' risk of coronary artery disease, although they found evidence of minimal calcification of the coronary arteries themselves. As a preventative, they recommended that Mr. Bush take a daily aspirin and a statin, or cholesterol-lowering drug," reported the New York Times.

In contrast, the photos below show Mr. Bush at a presidential debate, with parts of a LifeVest wearable defibrillator clearly visible underneath his suit jacket.

The LifeVest (left) has an electrode belt with four sensing/ECG electrodes. These send signals to the heart monitor/defibrillator, typically worn like a holster. When the monitor detects a life-threatening heart arrhythmia, it send a signal to the small, handheld patient-interface module. The module provides an audible alarm. The user, if able to do so, depresses two buttons on the module to hold off a shock from the defibrillator. If the user faints and is unable to press the buttons, the defibrillator sends an electrical pulse to the large shocking electrode on the patient's back and a smaller one on the chest. The pulse can be repeated until the heart starts pumping blood effectively, up to five pulses.

In the center photo, showing Mr. Bush and Sen. Kerry at a debate, one can clearly see the shocking electrode between the shoulder blades as well as the electrical cord leading down to the monitor/defibrillator.

The photo on the right, also from the debates, gives another view of the LifeVest components.

Below we see the president adjusting his necktie, and as he does so, revealing the interface module's gray cord leading down to the monitor/defibrillator. The interface module was located possibly behind his tie.

This news could turn out to be the story of the year -- for 2005.



http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/136872/index.php

although I now must admit I had never heard of the wearable defibrillator--I doubt if sales are off the chart--one article I read notes:

"For most patients awaiting a heart transplant, doctors are able to implant a defibrillator inside the heart to monitor the patient's pulse and administer a shock should the heartbeat become irregular. But for patients like Acevedo, with complex defects, it is impossible to use a classical defibrillator."

External defibrillators do not work as well as internal--cardiologist would always opt for the second unless extenuating circumstances If Bush needed one and couldn't have an internal device implanted, he would be very, very sick

Also, external defibrillators deliver 200-360 Joules (a lot of current) vs the 2-5 Joules via an internal defibrillator It's okay to touch someone who is currently being shocked by an internal defibrillator--not so external--

Oh, wouldn't use a defibrillator for ATRIAL fibrillation--it's a relatively stable rhythm--people tolerate it reasonably well

Wernicke-Korsakoff disease is almost exclusively seen in alcoholics

PSG

If it isn't a defibrillator, could it be a TENS machine or another kind of medical device?

I think it's a shock collar like the ones you can buy at fine retailers everywhere.

I'm not sure if Rove or Cheny has the box with the button. Would make a good SNL skit.

-Hoot

Treat his costochondritis during a presidential debate?

Especially when your about to be EXPOSED!

...whom you would not expect to have coronary artery disease and it can put you at risk for TIAs and strokes.

Didnt Shrubs dad have atrial fibrillation?

brought on by life than one brought by years of alcohol and drug abuse to the tune of needing to be coached by external apparatus for speaking. Don't buy it, the defib is what they want you to think, poor GW has a heart problem when it really is a head problem.

brought on by life than one brought by years of alcohol and drug abuse to the tune of needing to be coached by external apparatus for speaking. Don't buy it, the defib is what they want you to think, poor GW has a heart problem when it really is a head problem.

as does my husband and many others...

can be life threatening, but controlled with meds.

I have had LYME disease for over thirty years and
I believe the Bush family does also.

Short term memory loss is common in LD and GW has it.
That's all that is. His fumbling for the words...he just
has lost track...short term memory loss. I hate that part.

He is not stupid...he is impaired.

His mom and Dad have both been diagnosed with Graves
which in many circles is a differential of Lyme and their
dog died of Lupus which is also a common misdiagnosis of Lyme.


I was diagnosed CDC CRITERIA after 20 years ticks and rashes.

also Babesia....
and I take thyroid meds, etc...that is common also.



an old poll from another board..
I share many of their symptoms, but am better (not cured)
after 10 yrs of antibiotics>>>


Topic: What other syndromes/diseases have you GOTTEN due to an extended Lyme infection?
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Figured a good idea to see what other peoples extended Lyme infection has TRIGGERED or caused as a secondary disease/syndrome due to an extended Lyme infection-
I currently have:

Multiple Drug Allergies

HAD an enlarged thyroid that after IV went back to normal size=off medication for it as well- (TSH remained normal) HAD 5 nodules- now not evident

and chronic hives that have now 'come back' seemingly w/ wonderful timing to my recent + w/b test and multiple symptoms yet again....

Mitral valve prolapse w/ regurgitation

Anyone else have something they feel or KNOW was most likly caused by an extended Lyme infection?

Thanks! Just curious...
-Rose

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cutaneous lupus or possible dermatomyositis (pos. labs for the first, and skin biopsy for the second)
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4 Thyroid nodules that "disappeared" after IV treatment.
Sluggish Thyroid

Hormonal Imbalances

TMJ

Chronic Sinusitis


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I can not help thinking this is due to the lyme because it is so rare
an ovarian fibroma
tennis elbow(both arms)
peripherial nueropathy
muscle atrophy in legs,arms and throat
GERD
IBS
interstitial cystitis
osteo arthritis
degenerative disc disease
raynauds
depression
panic attacks
fibromyalgia
food and drug allergies and sensitivities
leaky gut
TMJ
low blood pressure
pitting edeama throughout body
heart problems

editting because the memory is slow on the retrieval of 40 yrs of symtoms



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Fibroids (i suspect lyme too!)
Rheumatoid arthritis without the Rheumatoid factor.

Congestive heart (both my daughter and I developed this after our lyme...and babesia?) It went away for my daughter after 3 years of lyme treatment. Mine waxes and wanes.

Spine pain, leg and hand intermittent numbness

Autism (late onset they told us)- went away with treatment.

Munchausins by proxy

Chronice fatigue

Fibromyalgia

Absent seizures

Osgood-Schlatters

Tennis Elbow (a swimmer with tennis elbow...geeeesh)

Bursitis

"Muscle contraction sydrome" when nothing seemed to get my back muscles to relax

TMJ

Wry neck syndrome

Ohhhh my, too many others to name right now. let me hit her records..



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chronic psoriatic arthritis (severe)
adrenal gland infsufficiency

hormone imbalances

Mitral valve prolapse

chronic candida infection

hhv6 infection


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Severe Mold Allergies
Thyroid Disease

Fibromyalgia

Multiple Chemical Sensitivity

Irritable Bowel Syndrome

Thoracic Outlet Syndrome

Degenerative Disc Disease


My son (23) has:

Osgood Schlatters

Degenerative Disc Disease

Depression

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Severe depression
chronic fatigue

panic attacks

fears and phobias

Asperger's Syndrome-like symptoms

learning disabilities

fibromyalgia

GERD

Gastroparesis

allergies - food, drugs, etc.

Cystitis

leaky gut syndrome

hormonal imbalances

copper toxicity

hearing loss

insomnia

suicidal thoughts

neurally mediated hypotension

muscle spasms

heart palpitations and mitral regurg w/ heart murmur

arthritis in several places

Encephalopathy

ADD

And a lot more.




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underemployment....
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And the list goes on......
Neuro-mediated hypotension

Two leaking heart valves, mitral and triscupid

Occlussive disease of the lower extremities

Hypercolaugability of the blood

Low blood volume

Permanant case of CVID---Common variable immune defiencties

Inflammary artithis---with joint destruction(hip and pelvis)per fluid testing, + for B.B

Perpherial neuropathies

Abnormal SPECT scan, and MRI, indicative of the early stages of vascular disease

Mycoplasma infections, erlichiosis

CMV,EBV,HHV-6 reactivations thru-out *LymeLife*

Organic brain syndrome--abnormal neuro-psych evaluation, goes with the forementioed SPECT and MRI

Abnormal sleep studies--used to sleep like a *Bear in hibernation*

AND, A ALL AROUND BAD ATTIUTIDE(CAN YOU IMAGINE WHY???)

THE last symptom--well, I rather "enjoy" having a *BAD ATTIUTUDE", since I was raised to be such a "good girl"

This is much more *interesting*, shall we say!!!

My husband seems to *enjoy* my rather quick wit and biting sense of humor

HUMOR is all I have left to *trade on*, if you know what I mean!!!

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Oh and I forgot,
One jumbo sized *ARS*E*

It ain't pretty

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Yankee-I like your humour!!You just made me laugh!!!!
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Mytral valve prolapse
heart murmur

osteomayalgia - (lose of bone density)

hypoparathyroidism (sp?)

chronic tonsilitis

chronic sinusitis

endmetriosis

Bells Palsy

Irritable Bowel Syndrome with constipation

"arthritis" (that moves)

migraines

Left sided weakness in body

possible raynauds

herniated disc

chronic fatigue

chronic cold sores

a regular smorgasbord! (and I probably forgot something)



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I was "just looking" and did not plan to respond until I saw rapturegirl's post.
The following problems from her list were interfering with my life and job about 8 months before the neuromuscular symptoms started that I interpreted as the onset of my lyme. I did not find a tick bite at onset time. This brings me to a recurring thought that perhaps I was harboring lyme long before I *think* it began.

chronic fatigue*
Asperger's Syndrome-like symptoms* (adult onset)
learning disabilities* (adult onset)
allergies - food, drugs, etc.*
leaky gut syndrome
hormonal imbalances* (since teens)
copper toxicity**
insomnia
ADD* (adult onset)

Note to rapturegirl: I flew up to Chicago to the Pfeiffer Treatment Center for help with the single-starred items. (http://www.hriptc.org)

They determined that I had high copper in general and a high copper-to-zinc ratio, as well as high natural histamine, which explained these symptoms. Their intensive evaluation turned up that I was also fighting an infection, though I was unaware of one.

So maybe I've had lyme for longer than I think. Interesting to see someone else with such similar cognitive symptoms.

Sue

Edited to add the symptoms that came on after I was aware that I was ill...

- overnight onset of fasciculations/twitching
- migrating muscle pains
- migrating muscle spasms and cramps
- "beestung" knees
- difficulty getting up from the floor
- left-sided weakness
- underactive thyroid and weight gain
- worsening brain fog
- loss of math and spatial processing ability
- Epstein-Barr reactivation with swollen glands
- further loss of short-term memory, noticed about 8 months prior to "onset"
- dysphagia (difficulty swallowing); gone now
- disk deterioration
- white matter on MRI
- "fractured sleep" (frequent awakening)
and on and on...




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Wow-look at all of the similiarities in the little extras we managed to get! Amazing...
-Graves disease (from hyperthroidism)
-myoclonus
-a seive for a brain-sooooooo embarrassing..
-ss disability
-near inability to do math
-fatigue
-joint pain

The above list is just the leftovers after years of treatment and cognitive therapy!
While being treated I got:
-suicidal
-had auditory and visual hallucinations
-heart problems
-and tons more things I dare not dredge up!

My girls are left with:
-migraines
-Raynauld's syndrome
-difficulty with school work-IQ lowered
-joint pain

Very interesting question...thanks-terter

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posted 04 February 2004 18:04
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all of the above
plus....nomoneysitis

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oops!
Lymetutu


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StrengthToStrength
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posted 04 February 2004 21:29
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Sometimes I feel like I have Asperger's or schizophrenia. This is lessening over time.
I had some other physical stuff, but it's gone now.



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posted 02 November 2004 19:52
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My list is getting longer by the month it seems.
GERD with esphogeal spasm
polyneuropathy
severe constipation
IBS
Malabsorption syndrome - just confirmed but suspected all along

Sjorgens symptoms, being investigated for syndrome

Fibromyalgia
Neuropathy
Severe neuralgia
Ovarian cysts
Chronic sinus congestion
Inflamed tonsils
Hypoglycemia
Hair loss
Canadidas
Sleep apnea
anxiety and depression
raynaud's, not offically confirmed.
Multiple chemical senstivies
Allergies
Thyroid problems
Copper, aluminum, and lead toxicity
Severe nutrional defeiency
heart murmur, 1st degree heart block
Severe myclonic jerking, that ceased after treatment.

Lymiecanuck

Having lupus and several other chronic conditions myself, I was reading through the lists of conditions when I was stopped short by "french braid." Damn, I used to have that one, too!

;-)

Main stream medicine doesn't believe in
treating Lyme long term (as in Lyme, Connecticut..birth place of W ...don't know what town)

I have spent over a decade studying this disease and have more literature than most docs
on the subject...including Burgdorfer's first book on it.

I read the book by the late Thomas McPherson Brown, MD
who wrote on having cured folks with rheumatoid arthritis, scleroderma, lupus, juvenile
and related diseases with very long term antibiotics....he talks about LD
briefly .. the book >>The Arthritis Breakthrough by Henry Scammell

here is a web site if you are interested...

http://roadback.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/home.main.html
http://roadback.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/aboutrbf.sub/s...

I prefer to call my disease, as does my Neurologist...
Neuroborreliosis :>

btw...what's so funny?
and what did french braid have, that caught your eye?

as for a-fib...i agree with the guy that says .. v-fib....
but can't imagine bush wearing such a device for that.

v-fib is very bad though and he wouldn't have long without help.


I still believe GW has some form of Neuroborreliosis.

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if you want to find out if you might have lyme ..
Here is a good lab to send your blood

http://www.igenex.com/index.shtml
you pay... they send a kit.. you get it drawn ..
you send it back..
they send results to your doc.

The tests are not that great anywhere...

Do not take steroids, antibiotics a few weeks before giving
blood...
they can skew the test results

The best test is a clinical diagnosis.
If you want a Lyme doc ...and you must be careful..
read as much as you can about the subject.

eb

in her list!

And I used to often wear my hair in a French braid. ;-)

need instantaneous defibrillation with a-fib; only v-fib which is--as we say in the trade--not compatible with life

Makes sense to me.

Here is one about atrial defibrillators which apparently are not licensed for use in the US yet, which might be a reason why Bush might keep one quiet:

http://www.affacts.org/Procedures/atrial_defib.html

The risk of intermittent atrial fibrillation is that when you go into a fib, you form a blood clot in your quivering atrium and then when the atrium starts contracting again normally, you spit the clot out again and if you are unlucky it goes to some important part of the brain and you stroke out.

I do not want anyone, including W. to have a stroke.

If a defibrillator could immediately put him back into sinus rhythm it might be preferable to the alternative which is to take high doses of blood thinners---which put you at risk for intracranial hemorhage were you to stumble and fall and hit your head from one of the near syncopal spells that can occur when you suddenly go into atrial fibrillation.

Again, not a nice disease for someone who should be in the prime of his middle aged life. As much as we dislike W.'s politics, I hope we are praying for his health.