Just got off the phone with a bunch of the people involved

I am, of course, eating my own face here. Everyone I talked to who is hands-on in this thing told me to relax, breathe deeply, the filing is going to happen today. I am told it will happen by 5pm, and I will get the documents once that happens, but because of the PACER filing system, it might happen after 5. In other words, I'm in hell.

I spoke to the court clerk - nice man - and he said nothing new had appeared on the docket, but stuff doesn't show up on the docket until 24 hours after filing.

I'm sorry this is stretching out so much. If anyone thinks I am enjoying this, they're crazy.

we're hanging in there with you. It will be worth the wait when it's a done deal. Thanks again!

How's your cat doing?

we need Will to stay sane, lets lock this thread and not bother him

We're right there with you, not eating your face or anything.

I think you should make up with you kitty. I'll help.

I guess I am having trouble really getting excited about any of this. What exactly does any of this mean?

revive the effort, because he alone can show he suffered damage due to voting irregularites. Funny, I thought all of us had a compelling interest in fair elections!
Anyway, he is supposed to be adding new charges to the original suit as well. hopefully in the next hour!

Which lawsuit are you talking about? Was there a court action of dismissal in any relevant lawsuit--or are you just talking about the "temporary restraining order" (TRO) matter (that Greens can't show irreparable harm, to immediately stop the state from doing something)?

Denial of a TRO is not the same thing as a dismissal. TRO has a higher standard of proof because it stops some action--prevents harm to litigants or their case; whereas a dismissal throws the whole lawsuit out of court--dead, fini (unless court permits a re-filing).

Could someone just very briefly give status of the lawsuits? And which of them is Kerry intervening in?

hold tight

I have smoked them all. And, until recently, I had sworn off them. :)
Thanks for your updates. It's been really difficult to concentrate on the job that I'm actually paid to do! Off to see if someone has a smoke.

Come on over!

Im just glad to be on the WEst Coast today, because everything happens 3 hours sooner here! (or is Ohio CST?)

I appreciate it. Make me a martini, and I'll be right there. :)

It was either that or buy M&M's....

The little mini ones... Having a Homer moment!
I know, this whole thing is bad for our health -- on so many levels!
:)

Didn't I read that somewhere? ;)

LOL!

We're all refreshing and refreshing, Will. Glad you're updating us or we'd go completely insane!!

Thanks for all that you do.

Arnheim

Thanks Will - Rome wasn't built in a day. The Empire will take some time to heal after everything hits the fan.

Thanks!

Don't worry, we're with ya.

you love it!

Great! Thanks for the update.

The news out as soon as possible to us, but I don't think not one person here wants you to go through what you're going through right now.

Now take some deep cleansing breaths (sans tobacco). ;)

Thanks for keeping us informed. You're just stuck in the middle. Ninety-eight percent of the United States is in holiday mode. We can find out tomorrow.

Have actual food.

THEN step to the front door and open it. Breathe oxygen. Walk outside. Gaze around you. The world, at least the parts not hit by a tsunami, are still there. Rejoice.

Go back inside.

and something to drink, we'll wait for you here :D

Think the news is big enough that MSM will pick it up?
Thanx for the update O8)

Here, ya go :beer:

:loveya:

n/t

:)

:freak:

Does this mean the MSM won't pick it up until tomorrow? :shrug:

Thank you for all your effort.

Here's the link for others who haven't seen it:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/122804X.shtml

Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

politics and Money. It describes test comuware did on voting machines for Blacwell and vulnerabilities in the systems. Can someone take a look at it?



http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/hava/files/compuware.pdf


found at

http://www.bna.com/moneyandpolitics/evoting.htm

Good things come to those who wait. :)

maybe that has something to do with the fact that it's bigger?
Hope so.

listening to Hartmann now on AAR, got tv on showing tsunami news, and updating blogs, can wait ... it'll be worth it. Meantime, Will, do some self-care cause lots of folks looking to your safe and sane state of mind. You have a cat huh, me too, and mine purrs, calming.

That's when I am officially 50...so I figure he just wants the news out closer to my birth time?

or a sedative ,whatever works!!LOL
we're here with ya.:freak:
Thanks for keeping us in the loop!!

day of filing. If they say it's happening today, it will happen. We are not blaming you for the delay. Patience dear laddie patience.

at this stage of the process, any news is good news. Only an idiot (or a freeper) would hold you responsible for the slow grind of the wheels of justice. We will beat this FRAUD yet.

Take care of YOUR HEALTH... and your kitty.

Trust me, you worrying crazy will not speed this up one bit.

Me back to bryce modelling....

We're used to waiting. Anyway, there's enough going on in the world that needs our attention today. Got to figure out how to send cash to help with the devastation overseas.

One day you'll enjoy the battle story.

soputhern Ohio courts right?

Hang in there William.

I'm off the computer for a bit for an appt. I will be eagerly anticipating the update when I return.

Good luck. May The Force be with you.

:yourock:

If they're filing before 5 today, they better get cracking.

Still, good te hear it may not show up until tomorrow. I can wait until then. What's another 24-hours for justice to go public? Drop in the bucket in the history of justice struggles.

There are some things beyond our control...PEACE!

You know that if we didn't hear from you at all, we'd be flipping out much more vigorously.

Is it cocktail hour yet?

:beer:

I don't smoke (anymore) but it is cocktail hour for sure! Going crazy here waiting!!

lockdown of poll books until Jan 10th? did folks you talked with say anything about this that you can share?

This may seem like a stupid question, but...I got nervous when I read this from this thread, post #55

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=195607&mesg_id=197344&page=

“My understanding is that Kerry has been depressed about losing a national election. Understandably. Remember Al Gore and the Grizzly Adams look? In addition, the envelope of advisors around any politician is very tight. In essence, you hear what people think you should hear. His brother Cam has been very skeptical about the "fraud" allegations, which should give us an idea of what Kerry himself is hearing. Theresa on the other hand seems to get it, but as of last week it was unclear what she was actually doing.”

Kerry has to know it was stolen, doesn’t he? Do you know anything about what he believes or knows about this?

Before the election, I went to watch the vice pres debate at a Dem group thing because Andre Heinz was there. I wanted to ask him about the voting machines. Everyone else was gathered around trying to get his autograph and get their pix taken with him and I’m standing there saying, “What about the voting machines? Do they know about the security issues? Are they doing anything about it?” and he said, “Well, there’s exit polls.”
And I had this sinking feeling that maybe they didn’t even know what they were up against.

But by now, with all the Conyers investigation and Arnebeck, he has to know, right?

and we all know how delicious eating our own is... don't we.
:P

If Will doesn't save democracy for the the US, the universe and all unknown universes, he's a failure...... oiy.


Like really, anyone else Actually think there was something happening today, especially early today?

so much newstime taken by OBL and the horrors of the earthquake and tidal wave, there is already no "inclination" to give the e-fraud subject time so it would have been buried today anyway.

No apologies necessary Will - your time and contributions here are quite appreciated!

PJ

his source on this one.

First MOTION for Discovery (Preservation Order and Leave to Take Limited Expedited Discovery) by Intervenor Defendant KERRY-EDWARDS 2004 INC. (McTigue, Donald) (Entered: 12/27/2004)

Will, is this it?

K-E involved. This is an action the campaign's attorneys are taking separately from the glibs. More than in support of the recount, they are asking to be able to conduct discovery and have the "evidence" (voting machines?) preserved.

And with the KE name on it. Any details?

things are advancing with Kerry, etc.

I await are update later today.

:bounce:

Thank so much for keeping us in the circle.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=198486&mesg_id=198486

Miami Liberal
Mon Dec-27-04 09:24 AM
Original message

New Olbermann blog 12/27, with full text statement from Kerry lawyer

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240 /

As promised, the full text of the statement to Countdown from the evening of December 23 of Daniel J. Hoffheimer, State Legal Counsel, Ohio, Kerry-Edwards 2004, Inc., (and, yes, he’s referring to himself in the third person here):

“Daniel Hoffheimer, State Legal Counsel for the Kerry-Edwards campaign, told MSNBC today that Kerry-Edwards will support the third-party candidates in asking the Federal Court in the Ohio recount lawsuit to order the preservation of the evidence obtained during the recount and to expedite discovery of the facts. Hoffheimer said that various problems and errors have occurred in a number of Ohio's 88 county boards of elections during the recount, which will conclude next week. Hoffheimer acknowledged that the most publicized of these problems was the machine manipulation in Hocking County but said that the developing evidence will reveal other problems as well. He said that Senators Kerry and Edwards are very concerned that the law for conducting the recount should be uniformly followed. They want to be sure that all circumstances involved in the Ohio election, including the recount, should be put before the Court and disclosed to the American people. Only then, Hoffheimer said, can the integrity of the entire electoral process and the election of Bush-Cheney warrant the public trust."

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Will someone please clarify the legal situation. Third-party candidates in Federal Court (as per above)? Arnebeck (Alliance, Common Cause, voters) in State Court? What is the impending Kerry legal action? In which suit? (Or new filing?) I've lost track and it's been a lo-o-o-ong holiday weekend! (I know, I can search DU for this, but if someone can save me that effort, I would be grateful.)

I asked this on that thread...

Arnebeck's suits (there are two, split from one) in OH SC.
Original Glibs suit (back when I was young) that K/E already joined.
New filing by Glibs in Federal Court last Friday.

K/E -- filing a new suit or joining the Glibs in Fed Court?

I'm gonna need a scorecard -- nice to see I'm not the only one.

:)

Wish I could offer you a glass of Bailey's to toast them all with!

Third party candidates: Greens and Libertarians (Cobb and Bednarik) or "GLIBs" are suing for a recount and the case is in Federal court; Arnebeck is claiming fraud and the case is at the State Court level.

KE is filing as intervenor (basically a party that has entered the lawsuit after initial filing to protect its own interests) and is asking on its own behalf to have the evidence preserved and to conduct discovery. It is a new filing and goes above and beyond just joining in on something the GLIB's are doing -

Wish I could offer you some Bailey's, too! Celebrate!

So, basically, there's almost another hour.