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buffy1 Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 05:54 PM
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TV Networks Officially Refuse to Release Exit Poll Raw Data
Monday 27th December 2004 (20h14) :

TV Networks refuse Conyers request for Exit Poll Data- What are they hiding?


TV Networks Officially Refuse to Release Exit Poll Raw Data; Mainstream media finally displays true colors.

by Gary Beckwith

For those watching the growing body of evidence concerning election fraud in our past presidential election, one question has remained: Why don’t we hear about this on the evening news?

As of yet it’s been hard to explain why the controversies in Ukraine make the headlines, but when similar problems are discovered at home, you have to scour the Internet to find the information.

It certainly isn’t for lack of events on which to report. Members of The House Judiciary Committee have been meeting regularly reviewing evidence of systematic voter suppression and voting machine tampering. A coalition of lawyers have filed a lawsuit against the Bush campaign citing deliberate manipulation of votes. Sworn testimony and signed affidavits have implicated companies, individuals, and a Florida congressman.

This developing story could eventually turn out to be more explosive than Watergate. But it’s rarely mentioned on the major networks, and when it is, there’s almost always a chiding remark about the "conspiracy nuts" and obscure "internet bloggers" who are behind it all.




The truth is, it’s not just conspiracy nuts, or bloggers, or even just Democratic supporters of Kerry. It’s a growing number of people who want to know what really happened on Novermber 2nd. It’s teachers, doctors, lawyers, all kinds of people who care about their Democracy just as much as the people in Ukraine do. And a recent survey showed that even without the media coverage, 20% of Americans believe the election was stolen.

For these people it’s been a difficult task to spread the word, and to tell the uninformed about the election problems. That’s because for many, if it’s not on the evening news, it isn’t happening. And as soon as you start telling someone about it, their first question is always, "Why aren’t I hearing about this on the news?".

That’s a question we’d all like to see answered.

Until now, we’ve only been able to speculate. Perhaps the media is just tired of a long drawn out election season. Perhaps reporters don’t want to "stick their neck out" until more evidence is uncovered. Perhaps the reporters just haven’t seen the evidence that already exists. And one possibility of many is that the mainstream media has been purposely withholding this story from the American people. Emails have floated around, purportedly written by reporters, saying that they’ve been instructed not to write about the problems with the election or they’ll lose their job.

It’s hard to believe that the media would cover up something like this, considering that many reporters probably voted for Kerry and would want the people to know if the election was stolen. But there’s already enough of a story that it should be getting attention - the Congressional hearings, lawsuits filed, and sworn testimony are newsworthy of themselves, regardless of their outcomes. The lack of coverage of already existing events forces us to wonder why.

Attempts to get an explanation from the media have been met with cold and evasive responses. Local media outlets say it’s not their duty to report the national news. National media people say there’s not enough evidence yet, and they’re waiting to see how it pans out before they give it the spotlight. This begs the question: Do we wait until the Superbowl is over to report on it? Did they wait until the OJ trial was over to report on it?

But as the story develops, no one has been able to explain why the media is avoiding it like the plague.

Until today.

Yesterday Representative John Conyers called their bluff. He’s the one leading the investigation in the House of Representatives Judiciary Committee. After weeks of investigation he’s become more and more interested in seeing the raw data of the exit polls. Exit polls were a red flag in Ukraine, and many statistical experts have used the exit polls from our election to demonstrate a high likelihood that there was some funny business on November 2nd.

Like most people trying to get to the bottom of the matter, Mr. Conyers first came to the realization that the exit poll data has mysteriously not been released yet. We only have the preliminary exit poll data, which showed Kerry winning Ohio by several points. But about half way through election day, the networks started "mixing in" the "real" numbers with the exit poll data, and from that point on, the raw exit poll data has been locked up.

So, Conyers wrote to Warren Mitofsky, who owns the exit poll data, asking for the complete raw data, without the "real" numbers mixed in. Mitofsky balked, saying that the TV Networks actually own it and he was not able to release it without their permission. Conyers then took his inquiry to the leaders of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and Fox.

And they promptly laid an egg. Through a spokesperson who spoke on behalf of all the media companies together, they said they are still analyzing the data and don’t want to release it until they’re done.

The egg they laid is frustrating for those who want to know the truth and want to see the raw exit poll numbers. But it does answer one question for us once and for all. It finally shows us that the media is not avoiding the election controversy because they’re tired of the election, or they want more evidence. They are purposefully preventing the information from getting out and they are hiding the information they have.

Any objective investigator, or any concerned citizen for that matter, simply cannot accept their answer to Conyers. The media has had over 6 weeks to "analyze" the exit polls and releasing the numbers would not prevent them from continuing their analysis in any way.

The data is just that - raw data. By itself it is not obscured by "analysis." The networks can evaluate and analyze it all they want, but they should also give others a chance to look at the same numbers and draw their own conclusions. There is absolutely no precedent or moral ground for withholding this information from the American public. The bottom line is that raw data does not need to be analyzed. Conyers and the American people are not asking for the analysis. We’re asking for the data.

We’re not talking about proprietary trade secrets, or a "secret source" that they’re trying to protect. We’re talking about information about us, the American people who voted on Election Day. It’s like having your doctor refuse to let you see your own medical records.

The media is supposed to report the facts, whatever they are, not withhold them. When the media stops reporting and starts withholding, it ceases to be the media.

While it’s frustrating that we still can’t see the exit polls, let’s thank the media for at least resolving one thing for us today. Now we know why we don’t see stories about the election on the evening news. Their refusal to release the exit polls shows us categorically that there is a concerted effort on behalf of the major media outlets to consciously prevent the information from getting out. It’s not simple oversight, and it’s not because they don’t think it’s newsworthy. Now we know. They are withholding information from us.

Now that that’s been resolved, we can move on to the next question: What are they hiding, and why?

http://www.freepress.org/department...


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article on Rove’s tabulating election night

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/am...


by : Gary Beckwith
Monday 27th December 2004
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 05:56 PM
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1. What ARE they hiding??? n/t :)
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 05:59 PM
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2. and who are they protecting?
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Lostnote03 Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 05:59 PM
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3. Pathetic Cowards_Aristocratic Swine_Bootlickin Servitude!!!!
......But hey they look good!!!
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 06:02 PM
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4. How long is the cover-up going to be allowed to continue?
It is no longer a question of a stolen election. I have seen more than enough proof to AT LEAST warrant a full investigation. The question now is - How long is the cover-up going to be allowed to continue?
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 06:04 PM
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5. do you have the freepress URL?
can't find it on Freepress.org
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 06:06 PM
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6. Okay, guys, I have a dumb question to ask about exit poll raw data. I'm
not very savvy on this kind of stuff so bear with me. Can they just change the exit poll raw data and give it out as the actual raw data from election night? I guess what I'm trying to ask is, is the exit poll raw data not "fixable" for these people? I guess I just answered my own question because if it was "fixable", they would have already released the bogus exit poll data, huh? I'M SOOO CONFUUSSED!!!!!
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 06:09 PM
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8. basically....
there is exit poll data and there is "actual count" data.

what we have been given thus far is only a mixture of the two.

they have not released the exit poll data without the "actual count" mixed in and they have not really explained how they mixed it in.

when we ask for the exit poll raw data, we're just asking for the exit poll, without the other stuff mixed in.

it would be just as accurate to say we want the "complete" exit poll data, as calling the "raw" data.

-gary
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 06:11 PM
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9. Thanks. n/t
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 06:09 PM
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7. Unindicted co-conspirators.
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 06:12 PM by Old and In the Way
They know they are active members in helping to reselect GW Bush. They set this up a long time ago. Remember all of the flawed polling data that oversampled Republicans? They kept the pre-polling stats close enough for the Republicans to steal it. All you need to do is watch CNN, MSNBC, or Fox to see that they are actively in bed with keeping the criminals in power.

Funny how none have conducted a post-election poll of who people voted for. Bill Schneider would have a tough time getting his "values" theory around the data that contradicts the results of their 11/2 script.

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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 06:12 PM
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10. I predict the information will be made public
the day after the next terrorist attack in the United States, just like last time....
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 06:12 PM
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11. So goes the media, so goes democracy...
Free press? Where?

In the Ukraine, but not in the U.S.

Wonder if we can get someone to sneak it out? Leak it? I know there are some good reporters still out there who want this investigated, but are being stymied by their bosses and the need for a paycheck.

Has to be.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 06:19 PM
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13. yeah, that's the "dark horse" hypothesis
that at the last moment some unexpected information will be released by someone in the media or even the republican party, and it will be so incriminating that even Republicans will have to question the results of the election.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 06:16 PM
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12. Remember when journalists had INTEGRITY!
What happened? They now drink the koolaid and bow to the might dollar. It's about DEMOCRACY!
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Mixxster Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 07:08 PM
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14. Free Press link not working for me. n/t
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 07:18 PM
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15. The Corporate Media IS THE ENEMY!
This is as big as the election fraud story itself.

WHAT ARE THEY HIDING???
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 07:56 PM
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16. Thanks, bufy1: Well Stated and Very Convincing
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 07:56 PM by Shalom
It is detestable how the media refused to reply individually, and chose to hide behind a common spokesperson.

The good news is that THERE STILL IS SOMETHING TO HIDE: I feared they would have cooked the books by now, and then released for us all to admire.

Since they have not refused to release the data eventually, wonder how they are going to face the music if and when it is released ?

Thanks for alerting us to this critical issue.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 08:21 PM
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17. Is there not ONE journalist with access to the data that will defend
democracy. Is there not one journalist that will resign in protest in an uscripted live shot, denoucing the death of democracy and a free press? Rather than end their career, it would secure their spot in history. They would become revered by future generations. Is there not one among them willing?
In Ukraine they went on a hunger strike. All we're asking is that they tell the truth.
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 08:29 PM
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18. With Conyers' appeal to Senators today, I think the pressure on
the media to release the data will start to grow very quickly!
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 08:48 PM
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19. Thanks Buffy and welcome to Du! I have nominated this to the frontpage
I appreciate your contribution.
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 08:54 PM
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20. Kicking for the Truth!
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:26 PM
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22. NEITHER LINK WORKED
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:09 PM
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21. Kicking For The Truth
The bottom line is that the MSM make a whole lot more money with the shrub in office because he and his crew want to allow them to consolidate as much as they wish = untold billions in profits.

Don't you worry, though, someone with access to the raw data with a conscience will find a way to leak the numbers soon.
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