Take a breath....think back to when we first heard that

moral values were the #1 issue from voters (exit) polled. Who was the source? Were there multiple sources? Where did the information originate, Florida, Ohio, all over? Has it been independently verified by non-associated groups or have we been fed this by a single compromised source. Think about it, an issue that wasn't on the radar screen for Dem's so no Pre-election evaluation, study or data on how the electorate would vote. If one wanted to explain the un-explainable (Kerry loss) than you would need a variable that had no base for comparison (I voted my moral compass). The point being if they needed a way to explain skewed voting results choose something that wasn't on the radar.

I am skeptical because all of a sudden on Nov 3 everyone was talking moral values and it being the key to the election. And Ho how did we all miss it. Did We or has it been fabricated.

Maybe I'm off base , that's why I'm putting it out for discussion.

It goes along with their other talking point, about how the "evangelicals really turned out this time."

Covering tracks.

in some areas of the country

So are gays

THis is a sixk fixation with sex...

That said these are important issues for some in Bush's base,

Now waht you are correct is in them explaining this on Moral values... after all seems morality is just about gays and abortion, but taking the country to war on a lie seems to have no moral basis.

But you are not that off base, they know the fix is in and tehy need to explain it

I kept think, how did they know to poll people about moral values, was it a write it?

have picked up on it during the campaign. Obviously there were discussions of gay marriage, abortion, and stem cell research but I'm not sure the focus on them equalled the "key" to the election.

I'm wondering if this is a bait-and-switch by RoveCo.

Bin Laden tape. It serves as another thing to point to to explain a huge vote swing.

They had merely to ask about religious issues, or terror to explain an unlikely result. Since people pointed to "moral issues" that's what we are being fed.

Hell, my vote was first and foremost, a moral decision. Once again, they have misappropriated labels. I must say, they do that very well.

"Christians" prefer a Pharasee, one who stands in public, beats his chest, and swears how wonderful he is to God, to someone who actually protects and respects families rights to eat, to have housing, to be educated, to get medical care.
Our local paper printed a LTTE from a 9 year old who said you have to vote for Bush because Kerry believes in killing babies! Over 1120 people have lost their 'babies', fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, PLUS over 100,000 Iraqi's families the same...but this child says Kerry kills, Bush is a Christian.
I am ill.

more important issues

repeat lies often enough that they become fact
only report what you're told to report
lull the people with scott peterson and video of soldiers marching toward victory, mostly from their backs, face shots often confuse the sheep.no negatives from around the world.values

Local CBS News last night. I don't remember the source they gave. Maybe it's on their website. I'll check.

I checked. They cite the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel for the story.

but the discussion is limited to these topics as a justification for not voting for the liberal Dem's. No meaningful discussion is undertaken to on lying to the American public, going to war for lies, the amoral death penalty (support be Bush), and many other moral issues that we Republican sponsored. Are that many people hypocrites?

I was a little taken aback, since we were gonn'a win.

But, now that you look back, it should have been obvious. There were 11 ballot initiatives on gay marriage, all passed, most overwhelmingly. The hysteria on Mary Cheney was another good clue. They didn't want that fact rolling around the evangelicals, or it might cause them to stay home.

Of all the calls made and doors knocked on, Sunday was the first time I heard that. It was so odd, the guy I was with and I kept bringing it up the rest of the day.

I have heard it all, as many of you have, over the last few weeks, but never "morality". Family values, the whole Christian gambit, but not once "morality". And lo and behold, Tues. nite it became morality.

Thanks, I thought I was just unhinged or the tinfoil was just too tight. But yup, serves a lot of purposes for them.

Before the election, reporters were saying that this time , the focus was off guns, gays and abortion. Now, all of a sudden, it's the number one issue.

The thing is, moral issues has always been an issue - why would it suddenly motivate this tidal wave of new voters - and why didn't it show up on previous polls of what was important to voters? I would think moral issues would have been a factor in 1996 then, but no matter how hard the republicans pushed, it didn't matter then.

to be so. Reality confirms reality.