Conyers better ...........

Please don't flame me, but this action needs to be seen as inclusive as possible(even though with no repugs aboard). My fear is that it will look like a 'black caucus' thing. We all know of how little the MSM covers them and their actions. We need many co-sponsors, both black and white.
Many will say that it doesn't matter as long as we get one from each house. I don't believe that. We here at DU are already convinced of the FRAUD (always capitalize that word). This motion by Conyers is for the other 30% to 40% of open minded Americans. Forget the other 40% of hard core repug assholes because you'll never convince them.

Then try to convince 100% of DUers that the fraud was intentional. I agree on the black caucus thing. Some people may want to be politically correct, but your are right. The MSM does little coverage of black people. Why should they? They have no money. :eyes:

Statistics and exit polls don't lie.

were wrong. The counties with the highest disparties were handcounted. Most of them used optical scanners.
So in NH there was no intentional fraud.
This has been used as a barometer that the exit polls could very possibly be flawed.

In International elections, they are used as a method of deciding if elections are fraudulent, or not.

As a Kerry voter, would I have said I voted for *? NEVER.

Even more ridiculous, do you think a * voter would say he voted for Kerry? NEVER


CNN Exit polls

the biggest disparities showed th NH exit polls were wrong.

What disparities are you talking about? What percent of the state was hand counted?

Or are you just repeating rumors?

get an accurate count. It has to do with the tabulators...I have talked to Kip at 51 Capital March about this a lot; he's one of the guys who has been working for months on crunching numbers. He is adamant you have to count counties and not precincts and feels they completely messed up NH. He said as they were starting that they wouldn't find anything if they only did precincts. If they'd done counties it would have been a different picture.

I read the articles. All I get from them is that 11 precincts were hand counted, it didn't much change the official vote tally, and lots of people were satisfied that the process was fair. But I didn't see anything about finding no discrepancies where they were most likely to occur.

What percent of the state did the 11 precincts represent? I think that there are somewhere around 300 precincts in NH. It seems to me that if fraud occurred it would most likely be confined to certain precincts. How do we know that the recount didn't miss those?

In 1992 and 1996 exit polls had up to a difference of 8 points in favor of dems.

After 2000 because of the problems with exit polls, the MSM fired the firm they ad doing them and hired a new one. Why?

Exit Polls were inaccurate.

I'll bet they FRAUDed states that were heavily Red, just to PAD THE VOTE and rack up "political capital".

And, I'll bet lots of Republicans will be disgusted, even if it takes a little longer to sink in.

ELECTION FRAUD AGAIN!

They don't do exit polls by county!

nice.

Doctor O******""It has been fairly well proven that the exit polls in NH," ... Posted by Doctor O ... "were wrong. The counties with the highest disparties were handcounted. Most of them used optical scanners."********

The Judged///////Either you misinterpret or use semantics to describe the NH presidential election recount results for us here. The fact is that the hand recounted precincts in NH were not those with the "highest disparities" from the exit polling./////////

Doctor O******"So in NH there was no intentional fraud."********

The Judged///////??????? Leap of logic? ?????????//////////

Doctor O*******"This has been used as a barometer that the exit polls could very possibly be flawed."********

The Judged////////I dare state here that if your claim were true, then it would have been vehemently used as Putin's evidence to justify the disputed initial election in the Ukraine, and by the Re-uglicans as evidence demonstrating to the "dissidents" why the election results in Ohio and throughout the United States are correct and valid.////////

The Judged///////If I am wrong, then you can surely post credible links that substantiate your above claims, and I will graciously recant this post.////////

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put your money where your bullshit is!

...that ONLY in the US exit polls are unreliable, to the HUGE extent that we saw in this election. Bullshit. Thanks for continuing to spread the mis-information.

Sorry, we got beat. Kerry was a poor choice.

That is far more logical than believing there was widespread fraud.

It''s easier for some people to believe there was massive widescale fraud. It's human nature.

People are overwhelmed by emotional attachment and blinded to reason.

For example:
The wife who doesn't think it's possible that her husband would cheat on her although all her friends and family know he's banging his secretary at work.

The father who thinks his son should be the star of the basketball team although the kid actually isn't very good.

Parents who think their kids are little angels but in reality the kids are anything but.

The constituent who thinks their president would never lie to them about the reasons for going to war.

and as Truman01 and Read The Law First (both experienced lawyers and other lawyers in this forum) have pointed out repeatedly what they have seen in the filings and in the media and here have not proved fraud. Only indications that there may be a problem.

Has anyone spoken to Dennis?

...and I would expect it not to be this time either.

In fact, the first "objection attempt" in 2001 was made by Peter Deutch of Palm Beach County, FL.

Bob "Freedom Rider" Filner of CA chimed in at the end. Patsy Mink of Hawaii as well.

But by all means, DEMAND that your Rep do their duty. Tools can be found here:

www.thedeanpeople.org

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than she did in 2000 - Sarasota Co. Fla = Katherine Harris

oh wow. what can i say.

Yes, getting senators is most important, but while you're at it, send a message to your house rep at the same time. This time, let's not have it just be the members of the Congressional Black Caucus standing up for the rights of the voters. They should be joined and supported by all our reps. We need a clear message to Americans and the world that what happened in this election is intolerable!

This is what I wrote my congress people:

We have all seen Fahrenheit 911 so this time we know what it takes to challenge an election. We cannot once again let the members of the Congressional Black Caucus stand alone, unsupported, thereby giving the message to the voters that what happened in this election is tolerable to the rest of congress. Millions of us will be watching the events of Jan. 6 on C-span.

I put in the C-span part so they know we will watching. Accountability.