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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:24 AM Original message |
CALCULATING KERRY'S POPULAR VOTE BASED ON THE NATIONAL EXIT POLL |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. I see the rumor of your Tomb stonning was a bit premature. |
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GR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Bush Didn't Win, In My Opinion... |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Why don't you take a look at the Mitofsky exit poll data |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Because that isn't it. We don't know where that came from. |
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thanatonautos (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. Correct ... however it is a very extensive posting of what is purported |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. There are so few people questioning that no one cares. |
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thanatonautos (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 02:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I can't really help it if no one is questioning and no one cares. |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. We already have the suspicion without the raw data.... |
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thanatonautos (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 08:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Good points. Sueing Triad, Diebold, ESS would be a good idea, IMO. |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 11:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. You make a good post but your facts aren't right.... |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. SCOTUS also ruled that the state-wide recount had to use a uniform |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 12:41 AM Response to Reply #51 |
63. And when the papers did the count Bush LOST in most scenarios. |
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SicTransit (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 12:54 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Did you read the post you're replying to? |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 03:09 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Yes I read all of Truman's posts in this thread |
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SicTransit (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 03:32 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. the link does not work. n/t |
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thanatonautos (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 06:15 AM Response to Reply #51 |
82. Yes it seems I do have some facts wrong, but I think you do too. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 08:28 AM Response to Reply #51 |
83. Safe harbor date???? |
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spooked (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:13 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. True Man, how then would you explain the exit polls? |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
19. First, as I said, we don't have the data.... |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
43. No, I would explain the polls the way Mitofsky did...... |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #43 |
59. Read the Freeman paper. It discredits this straw man excuse |
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SicTransit (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 12:56 AM Response to Reply #59 |
69. Please explain: |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 03:15 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. The answer to this is also in the straw man response |
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SicTransit (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 03:31 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Give the link nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
20. I wasn't being sarcastic, I do like TIA nt |
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Darkhawk32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Dude, he has the final unaltered exit polls... |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:07 AM Response to Reply #11 |
21. How do you know they are bogus? |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 12:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
64. There is plenty of data to draw conclusions from |
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farmbo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Why shouldn't the burden be on the Government to prove elections are fair. |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:16 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. They certified the election results. That is them meeting their |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 12:48 AM Response to Reply #22 |
65. If you are sick of all this good work maybe |
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ClintCooper2003 (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. Tell it to the folks in the Ukraine. The proof was in the exit polls. |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Thats true, but the people here doing the exit polling don't see |
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ClintCooper2003 (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Whoa, slow down there Tiger! |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I've got it, but Mitofsky said in an email posted on this web site |
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ClintCooper2003 (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Yes, you are correct. The 7:30 sweep was not released on... |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Don't you see how tenuous your PROOF is? nt |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 11:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. Not really |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. It was reported that TIA was tombstoned. I don't know if it was true |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 12:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
61. Truman.. What are you smoking? |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 09:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
89. YES, AND THE UNBLEMISHED DATA WAS RESURRECTED AS WELL |
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displacedtexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
2. Of course, you're correct! |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
3. TIA I missed ya baby. Glad to see you alive and kickin... |
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Goldeneye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
4. Dude, when do you sleep? |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
7. Great work TIA! Please sleep later-we need you! |
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SharonRB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
8. Welcome back, TIA |
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Not a Sheep (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
13. So, let me get this straight.... |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 09:38 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Motive to steal more votes than needed: to get a "mandate" nt |
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keepthemhonest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Why did they steel more |
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Not a Sheep (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:56 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. So they're smart but they're stupid................ (more) |
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keepthemhonest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. I am not saying that they are smart |
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Not a Sheep (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Setting you straight...... |
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keepthemhonest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Yes it does |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. He had to win the popular vote as well as the electoral vote |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
55. All good points |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 12:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
58. Not A Sheep... your name seems to belie what you are arguing... |
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keepthemhonest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
15. RIght againTIA |
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nodictators (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
23. Most of this "analysis" is wrong |
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keepthemhonest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. TIA |
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Not a Sheep (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 05:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Like I said........ |
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keepthemhonest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 06:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I guess all great |
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ClintCooper2003 (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
26. I completely agree. However, Rove and company are saying that... |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
38. your analysis makes very generous assumptions.. |
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RaulVB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 07:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. By your own "argument"... |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 11:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. IMO Bush lost by over half a million votes in 2000.. |
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keepthemhonest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 10:28 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. You are making an assumption that the results of the election |
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keepthemhonest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 08:42 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. go TIA n/t |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 11:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. I agree that Kerry probably did win in Ohio and the Electoral College... |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 11:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
57. Flamingbats you are missing other threads like the CNN poll that |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
56. I hate to say it, but this may PROVE the exit poll is whacked |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 12:28 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. What doesnt make sense? They padded the * vote all over |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 12:38 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Steal Big was the lesson they learned from 2000. |
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rdmccur (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 12:52 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. Why?? |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 12:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
85. This means they stole 9 million votes |
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rdmccur (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 12:56 AM Response to Reply #56 |
68. Take a look at what US News and World Report |
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rdmccur (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
70. TIA |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 01:17 AM Response to Original message |
71. Wow, this is SOME THREAD. Millions and millions of votes for Kerry! |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 03:53 AM Response to Reply #71 |
77. 3168 responded to the question. That's a 1.78% MOE. n/t |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 04:44 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. It's so accurate that it shows that Bush beat Gore in 2000 by 6%! |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 04:50 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Simple answer. They oversampled Repukes. And Kerry still won.n/t |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 04:53 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Let's see your analysis re: Bush beat Gore. Refute mine. n/t |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 05:53 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. No need for line by line |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 09:50 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. The last 2000 of the full 13,067 was contaminated; use the first 11,000 |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 02:01 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. I made reference to the uncontaminated polls too. |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
73. Kicking for all the beating wings, lifting this thread higher and higher. |
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1democracy (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
86. New idea of detecting fraud using exit polls and actual numbers |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-05 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
88. kick and see post #87 n/t |
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