**OH Citizens can demand a recount! Just 5 per county needed!!**

I got this off of Atrios, and I googled for verification

Also, a group of five or more voters can request a recount on a question or issue. The recount process begins by filing a written application with the Board of Elections of each county in which votes are to be recounted. R.C. 3515.01. The application must be filed within five days after the results were declared. R.C. 3515.02. The application must also list each precinct within the county where votes are to be recounted, and for each precinct a $10 deposit must be paid. R.C. 3515.03.

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/procedures_recount01.html

UPDATE:
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This is a valid issue:

http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=392&row=0

OH DEMS ORGANIZE YOURSELF.

There are 88 Counties, we need 440 OH DEMS and/or Independents.

5 voters shouldn't be hard to pull together. For those of us not there we can contribute for the funds required to recount the entire state.

here. There was one county, however odd it may seem, where there was not 1 single vote for Kerry.

had 600+ voters and Bush got 4000+ of them.

I know five people. Where do I get this stuff?

This is a valid issue:

http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=392&row=0

OH DEMS ORGANIZE YOURSELF.

There are 88 Counties, we need 440 OH DEMS and/or Independents.

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I called a friend of mine in Ohio about this, she said they knew this earlier today but after checking the 5 voter rule is in regards to questions and issues (EG: referendums only) the losing candidates must initiate the recount. Sucks but true ;o(

click the link in the post and click the link to the text of the law.

shouldn't be much of a challenge, should it?

From the web site: "Any losing nominee or candidate in a primary, general, or special election can request a recount."

If we ask, say, Eric Fingerhut to make the request, will that automatically count the votes for Pres/VP as well, or just the Senate votes, in his case? Or does Kerry himself have to make this request to count the Presidential votes?

Any group of five or more qualified electors may file with the board of a county a written application for a recount of the votes cast at an election in any precinct in such county upon any question or issue, provided that the members of such group shall state in such application either that they voted "Yes" or in favor of such question or issue and that such question or issue was declared defeated or rejected, or that they voted "No" or against such question or issue and that such question or issue was declared carried or adopted. Such group of electors shall, in such application, designate one of the members of the group as chairman, and shall indicate therein the voting residence of each member of such group. In all such applications the person designated as chairman is the applicant for the purposes of sections 3515.01 to 3515.07 of the Revised Code, and all notices required by section 3515.03 of the Revised Code to be given to an applicant for a recount shall be given to such person.

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/procedures_recount_os.html

Not necessarily on a candidate. But, if we call for a recount on an issue (say Issue 1, the "Defense of Marriage" amendment that I'm sure all of us voted against), will that automatically recount every other vote as well? I'm still not clear on this....

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this losing candidate business... can't we get a non mainstream candidate who supports kerry to do it?

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Others

Compile the info and pass it on!

I know an awful lot of people in the Dayton area. I'll pass this on in the morning.

Debbi

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are just as devastated as we are. The Ohio Dem Party could email all the people that downloaded tickets.

Please also remember and note that this is not a private forum, and that every one of our words are being read by anyone who wants to monitor this site.

Lots of Ohio Dems there, all of whom seem to have given up already, should know about this.

If the totals were flipped when they were sent to GEMS, it might not be reflected at the original machine, just at the GEMS tabulator.

.......DEMOCRACY ON THE CHEAP!!!!!!!!!......Hopefully G.Soros can ascertain the cost/benefit ratio and advance some cash!!!!!I'd love to see JIM BAKER vs a group of irritated Americans whose entry into the veiled electoral oversight business cost them only $10.....Hopefully the 10,000 attorneys received only a 1 way ride to OHIO, now they have to earn their way back home.....

Where are all the Democratic Attornies in Ohio????

In Columbus?

I think that's $10 per precinct and has to be file within 5 days after the votes are certified.

....isn't it correct that the certification date is still a week or so away?

IBM, TEXAS INSTRUMENTS, APPLE, EVEN MICROSOFT...

BUT WHO THE HELL IS DIEBOLD? A PEEP SQUEEK 3Billion FIRM THAT IS NOTHING .....GET THEM OUT OF THIS.

WE MUST DEMAND THAT ALL VOTING MACHINES BE MADE BY A CONSORTIUM OF WELL WELL KNOWN COMPANIES STARTING WITH IBM AND THAT ALL CODE BE FULLY PUBLIC ONLINE

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HERE ARE THE SUSPECTS IN QUESTION:


Executive Officers of Diebold, of Canton, OH


Other Positions
Year Elected Held Last
Name Age Title Present Office Five Years

2000-2004
Walden W. O’Dell 58 Chairman of the Board 2004 Chairman of the Board,
and Chief Executive Officer President and Chief Executive
Officer - Diebold, Inc.
1999-2000
Director, President and Chief
Executive Officer - Diebold, Inc.
1999
Group Vice President, Tool
Group and President of Ridge
Tool Division - Emerson
1991-1999
President – Liebert Corporation,
a subsidiary of Emerson

2003-2004



Eric C. Evans 51 Director, President 2004 Copeland Group Executive and
and Chief Operations Officer President – Air Conditioning
1998-2003
Group Vice President - Emerson
Climate Technologies
Air Conditioning




Gregory T. Geswein 49 Senior Vice President 2000 1999-2000
and Chief Financial Officer Senior Vice President and
Chief Financial Officer –
Pioneer-Standard Electronics,
Incorporated
1985-1999
Vice President and Corporate
Controller – Mead Corporation




Michael J. Hillock 52 President, International 2001 1999-2001
Senior Vice President, ISS –
Diebold, Inc.
1997-1999
Group Vice President, ISS –
Diebold, Inc.



David Bucci 52 Senior Vice President, 2001 1999-2001
Customer Solutions Group Senior Vice President,
North America
1997-1999
Group Vice President, NASS -
Diebold, Inc.



Thomas W. Swidarski 44 Senior Vice President, Strategic 2001 1999-2001
Development & Global Vice President, Global
Marketing Marketing – Diebold, Inc.
1998-1999
Senior Director-World
Wide Marketing



James L.M. Chen 43 Vice President and 1998 —
Managing Director,
Asia-Pacific



Warren W. Dettinger 50 Vice President,
General Counsel and
Assistant Secretary 1989 —



Charee Francis-Vogelsang 57 Vice President and
Secretary 1983 —



Larry D. Ingram 57 Vice President, 2001 1993-2001
Global Procurement Vice President,
Procurement and
Services – Diebold, Inc.



Kevin J. Krakora 48 Vice President and
Corporate Controller 2001 1999-2001
Chief Financial Officer- Teltek, Inc.




Dennis M. Moriarty 51 Vice President, 2001 1999-2001
Customer Business Vice President,
Solutions North America - Diebold, Inc.
1996-1999
Division Vice President,
NASS, Eastern Division –
Diebold, Inc.




Daniel J. O’Brien 54 Vice President, 2003 1997-2001
Global Product Marketing, Vice President,
Product Management Engineering, Operations
and Engineering and Manufacturing - NCR




Anthony J. Rusciano 63 Vice President, 2001 1999-2001
Customer Solutions Group, Vice President,
Marketing and Sales Practices North America - Diebold, Inc.
1993-1999
Division Vice President,
NASS, Major Accounts
Division – Diebold, Inc.




Charles B. Scheurer 62 Vice President, 1991 —
Human Resources




Robert J. Warren 57 Vice President and 1990 —
Treasurer

.....This could be the finger that has grown weary of holding back the dike.....

The call lists and other Democrat GOTV machinery should be able to give you enough to work with. Call the party HQ in a couple of counties, and if that fails, find the local Dem clubs.

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Brand new day . . .

All we need is 5 people in one county to start off with. Then we can see how it goes! Come on OHIO DUers, we have nothing to lose!

If need be, I could relay this info to my dad (because I'm currently in college at OSU in Columbus) and he could get the ball rolling. He's heavily involved in politics, anyway.

But, shouldn't we demand a recount after the provisional ballots are counted, first?

we can get organized with paper work, legal work etc. So we don't waste any time when the "offical" results come out.

Kerry already conceded the election to Bush,
therefore a recount is not possible. John Kerry
himself already said that there wern't enough provisional
ballots to allow him to win ohio. I think his 20 lawyers on
standby would have advised him to press Ohio for a recount if
it was possible.

his concession has no legal importance...the important thing is the recount is requested by the citizens.

I think he would have to pay for it if it's not close enough, but he could have asked for one if he wanted too.

Don't give up on this....

again

This is important.

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We have been crunching voting results in Ohio and have discovered the following CONSISTENT PATTERN:

First, using congressional voting, we divided Ohio counties into 2 groups:
Group 1 - counties where congressional votes heavily favored Republicans;
Group 2 - counties where congressional votes were close or heavily favored Democrats.

In Group 1 counties, the number of ballots with no presidential vote were consistently 300 in 10,000 (3%).
In Group 2 counties, the number of ballots with no presidential vote were consistently 600 in 10,000 (6%).

That's 3% additional ballots without a presidential vote recorded ONLY in counties that were not reliably Republican!

We are beginning to see this SAME CONSISTENT PATTERN in other states.

please give us more info!! if you need to start a new thread, tell one of us

Please post these figures as a new thread.

The Ohio Secretary of State, an African-American no less, needs to be told that we demand that Ohio's votes be counted. We can make this protest a little more meaningful by engaging in some Republican style dirty tricks.

Instead of e-mailing or sending letters demanding that the black box voting must be stopped...send FAXES. As the last page of your fax, send a black piece of paper like construction paper, saying this represents the black (hoodie??) you'll be wearing...the black voters who've been disenfranchised...the black representing the death of our right to vote...till our voting system is no longer held hostage by machines. Not only is this color appropriate, but thousands of people sending a black page will DEVOUR fax toner, and this will cause major inconvenience for them. These faxes won't be so easily ignored!

PLEASE help with this protest!! Address your faxed letters of protest to:

J. Kenneth Blackwell
Ohio Secretary of State
Fax: (614) 544-0649