Why did Karen Hughes tell * he lost ?

According to an AP news audio feed, Karen Hughes told * he'd lost, according to internal exit polls, as of midnight, 11/2.

Does anyone have more info on why Karen Hughes told * he lost?

if there is fraud Bush himself isn't in on it .

I don't think he gets off the hook that easily. He responded to her statement in way that pretty much sounded like he was in on it. Too bad, Hughes is as repugnant as the rest of his hit men. I'd really like to see something that would give her some justice, too.

edited to add: 'That's what the numbers say now.'

they all knew. They just weave stories of 'plausible deniability' as a part of their modus operandi. Covering their asses has got to be rote behavior for these people at this point.

so that there would be "plausible deniability" that Shrub was in on the Fraud. Of course we know this is NOT so. Of course he knew! As did Nazi-face Hughes. They all knew the 'fix was in.' They just want to spare themselves Orange jumpsuits, and so spin everything they ever do.

Must be dizzying to live inside their brains. No wonder Shrub has trouble completing a sentence or thought...his reality, and the room are literally spinning continuously.

but I think she wanted to be the one to tell * that Rove had fucked up. Because * really had lost.

So Rove plays Captain of the starship Franchise, changes the numbers, and Hughes gets out of dodge in case the temple starts collapsing immediately.

Then, I think, six states switched like magic.

Just ask Senator Lazio.

His assessment of what SHOULD'VE been the EV results I felt were 'on-point' with the exit polls.

numbers into his final predictions.

Zogby is good with his national numbers, but he has never been good with state numbers.

since * has no control over his smirk, I think he was told he had lost so he wouldn't give the game away by smirking too early.

He's being inaugurated in just over two weeks. Now he may not have gotten the votes they claim he did, but he won--even if he did it unfairly.

1. She didn't get the memo about "Late Night Conspiracy" Rove scripted.

2. She hoped it would help her avoid indictment for being in on it.

3. It's a mis-quote. She actually said, " * , you're just as lost as I am".

It makes me sick to think this stolen election is not being stopped by those who should do so. But we will make your stand this week and see what happens but we better get some action or else we must go to plan B, where we put justice in their face over and over and over again until they do something about it.

:kick:

That hurts my heart. That poor guy. He dropped through the same manhole I did.

I wonder if Poppy flipped the vote without telling Bunnypants or Hughes. Maybe, just maybe Rove and Poppy were working on it out of earshot of ol' Smirky.

But then again, if he said "What do the numbers say NOW" then he might have been waiting for the flip to happen, just not sure when.

I believe in my heart that Kerry won by that electoral landslide. Karen Hughes was correct.

I sure would feel better about America to know we really voted for Kerry.

Too bad we can't prove the fucking thing.

I'd love to hear this. It should be transcribed and promoted everywhere.

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"Just after midnight on November 3, 2004, the Associated Press audio news feed reported that Karen Hughes had sat George W. Bush down to inform him that he'd lost another election after exit polls showed Kerry taking every state that mattered. “Bush took the news stoically,” AP reported."

http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/Optical_Illusion.htm

Or just, you know, :beer:

:beer:

AND LAURA WAS :boring: POPPING.

good one!

IIRC Florida was already called for Bush by the networks by midnight on Nov 3.

What is means is exit polls are highly accurate, like they are in every other country and like they have been in the U.S. before the 2002 and 2004 elections.

And then they repeat it even more to make sure that everyone hates what they want to discredit.

Sheep: 'Surely they wouldn't keep repeating it if it wasn't true, so it must be evil.'

Kinda like repeating the lie: "exit polls are always right..."

in fact, in future, exit polls should decide who won, and save
the taxpayers the expense of counting votes. Why not? If exit
polls are so reliable, why waste dollars on vote counting? Those
dollars can be better used to feed the hungry.

in fact, in future, exit polls should decide who won, and save
the taxpayers the expense of counting votes. Why not? If exit
polls are so reliable, why waste dollars on vote counting? Those
dollars can be better used to feed the hungry.

If you read something on DU, and it's something that is easy to independently verify yourself, you should take the time do so.

It's not hard to find specific examples of exit polls that aren't accurate on the internet. In addition, it's not hard to find articles written by exit polling experts that talk about the inaccuracy of exit polls.

Here's a good place to start:

http://www.mysterypollster.com/main/2004/12/have_the_exit_p.html

There are several other misconceptions on DU that have somehow taken on the patina of truth. This is unfortunate.

Thanks for your time.

EIRS hotline reports document widespread touchscreen machine fraud in most swing states including Florida, Ohio, New Mexico where they thought there was no paper trail. This time there was.
(but other types of fraud and systematic suppression of minority voters have also been documented in this election)

(mostly default from Kerry to Bush but some other races also)(big EIRS paper trail of all systems)

Vote machine fraud documented in

Florida and New Mexico http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

http://www.flcv.com/EIRSFla.html

http://www.flcv.com/bernalil.html

Ohio http://northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm Mahoning

and http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

Orange Co. Calif http://www.flcv.com/orangets.html

Mercer Co. Pennsylvania www.voteprotect.org maps Penn Mercer

Travis co. Texas www.voteprotect.org maps Texas Travis

Snohomish Co. Washington www.voteprotect.org maps Wash Snohomish

and etc.

(these aren't hyperlinked here)

less people to have to dispose of you know

Newly released Media Exit Poll:

1) 59% of the 17% who did NOT vote in 2000 but who did in 2004 voted for Kerry. Just 39% for Bush.

2) 65% of those who did NOT vote for Bush or Gore in 2000 voted for Kerry. Just 13% for Bush and 16% for Nader.

3) 91% of those who voted for Gore, voted for Kerry.

4) 90% of those who voted for Bush in 2000, voted for Bush in 2004.

5) 20% (approx) of all voters are new voters. Of these voters according to the exit polls 65% voted Kerry and 35% voted Bush

6)The exit poll from the South shows Kerry won 64% of the Hispanic Vote.


7) Kerry's margin of victory was INCREASING, not decreasing as the day grew later


Some common myths regarding need tor adjustment dispelled by the Newly Released poll data:

1. The earlier exit poll numbers oversampled women.

Wrong. The 7:30 p.m. exit poll numbers consisted of 54% women and 46% men. The final exit poll numbers included the exact same percentages.

2. The earlier exit poll numbers oversampled minorities.

Wrong. The 7:30 p.m. exit poll numbers consisted of 11% blacks and 9% hispanics. The final exit poll numbers included 11% blacks and 8% hispanics.

3. The earlier exit poll numbers oversampled democrats (i.e., republicans voted later in the day).

Wrong. The 7:30 p.m. exit poll numbers consisted of 38% democrats, the final exit poll numbers consisted of 37%.

4. The earlier exit poll numbers undersampled rural voters.

Wrong. The 7:30 p.m. exit poll numbers consisted of 16% rural voters, same as the final exit poll numbers.


Newly Released Exit polls also show Kerry won in all major groups of voters except in the South

HORIZONTAL WEIGHTED
PARTYID Vertical Bush Kerry Nader Bush Kerry Nader
Dem 38% 9% 90% 1% 3.4% 34.2% 0.4%
Repub 36% 92% 7% 0% 33.1% 2.5% 0.0%
Indep 26% 45% 52% 2% 11.7% 13.5% 0.5%

100% 48.2% 50.2% 0.9%

IDEOLOGY
Liberal 22% 12% 86% 1% 2.6% 18.9% 0.2%
Moderate 45% 41% 57% 1% 18.5% 25.7% 0.5%
Conserv 33% 82% 16% 1% 27.1% 5.3% 0.3%

100% 48.2% 49.9% 1.0%

RELIGION
Protestant 53% 56% 43% 1% 29.7% 22.8% 0.5%
Catholic 27% 49% 50% 1% 13.2% 13.5% 0.3%
Jewish 3% 23% 77% 0% 0.7% 2.3% 0.0%
Other 7% 20% 75% 4% 1.4% 5.3% 0.3%
None 11% 29% 70% 1% 3.2% 7.7% 0.1%

100% 48.2% 51.6% 1.2%


MILITARY
Yes 18% 55% 43% 1% 9.9% 7.7% 0.2%
No 82% 46% 53% 1% 37.7% 43.5% 0.8%

100% 47.6% 51.2% 1.0%

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/pdfs/Mitofsky4zonedata /
http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/epdiscrep.htm

in fact, in future, exit polls should decide who won, and save
the taxpayers the expense of counting votes. Why not? If exit
polls are so reliable, why waste dollars on vote counting? Those
dollars can be better used to feed the hungry.

No, they aren't always more accurate than the final vote. But they are useful as a tool to verifying elections. If used in other countries, why not here.

Now then, any particular reason you felt the need to post the same damn reply three times. It weren't that hot the first time, and it ain't getting any better with repeated viewings, let me tell you.

:headbang:

By 9pm they knew they were looking good and Rove called it at 10:30pm. But if she did have scary news to deliver, it was much earlier in the day

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6428916/site/newsweek/

Shortly before 9 p.m., at the Republican National Committee headquarters up on Capitol Hill, the RNC's top oppo man, Tim Griffin, was feeling reborn. With Johnny Cash's "Ring of Fire" playing, Griffin was watching four TV sets and realizing that the early-afternoon exit polls had been just plain wrong. "We're up in Michigan!" he exclaimed. "We're gonna win Florida and we're gonna win Ohio! If we win Florida and Ohio, game over!" After a very blue afternoon, he was feeling exultant. "The exit polls stink. I could throw a dart at a map and get a better number." About an hour later, back in Arlington, McKinnon was feeling the same sense of reprieve. "Back from the death swoon," he said. "The projections were completely wrong. It's just unbelievable." McKinnon was watching the electoral map. "It looks like it's all coming down to Ohio," he said. "We're planning to have a ritual burning of the exit polls."

At the White House, Karl Rove had set up quarters in the family dining room. (He had joked to reporters that he would be working in the "bat cave.") National-security adviser Condoleezza Rice wandered in and out and joked that Rove was looking at way too many numbers. Rove was studying comparisons of results in Florida and Ohio with the poll data in the 2000 election. At about 10:30, he called over to the senior staff, nervously hovering around the Roosevelt Room, and told them that the president would win both Florida and Ohio. The cheers were so loud that they could be heard down the hall in the press briefing room. Then ABC News called Florida for Bush; another eruption. Only now did Karen Hughes finally admit that the White House had drafted two speeches—one for a concession. It no longer looked that the second speech would be necessary.

I've wondered the same thing.

under oath, I am sure. I am also sure she did her best to help W. actually win so that Rove's evil. scheme would not have to kick in, and I am sure it sickened her when it did. She couldnt get out of there fast enough.

How many Momsy type campaign managers tell their good pals "Sorry, dude, you just got kicked out of office" then hop a plane back to Texas immediately? Shouldnt she have stayed in DC to help Laura hold his hands and console him? Didnt that make her look sort of callous?

Even more surprising, when his loss turned into a victory, why wasnt she there to bask in the limelight? They recruited her to turn things back around for them. It was as much her win as Roves. Shouldnt she have been there to celebrate?

Think about it. Basically, she told Bush "Karl Rove has made your bed, and now you and he get to lie in it. Im going home."

:shrug:


What are they hiding? :shrug:

for which she might be caught and sent to jail in order to protect Karl Rove's sorry butt. That's one reason why she hustled out of DC. She figured the less she saw the less she would have to lie about. BUt she is bound to have seen and heard something.

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Where is Uncle Dick? Why are they all hiding? What are they all hiding?

:mad: :smoke:

Around 3:00 p.m. By evening they knew the fix was in.

http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/

Simple, really! The SMUG ONE knew differently, though. Same gig, different year! 2000, 2004...but NEVER AGAIN!!
I have real issues with Rove setting up shop in the WH! It looked like campaign headquarters...NOT OK! The WH is for ALL OF THE PEOPLE- saw it as a disgusting display of partisan BS!

WHAT ARE THEY HIDING???:think: :think: :think:

I remember Robert Novak in a round table discussion this night giving Ohio to Kerry when results were coming in. Novak is not one to jump like this to Kerry's side but the results looked evident for a Kerry win.

One other thing I noticed Novak talking about was how fast a state would be closing for the results coming in. They were saying if VA results come in fast the turnout would be low for Bush. Well VA came in fast. On the other hand they said if Ohio comes in slow it would be favoring Kerry and a bad sign for Bush. Well we all know how late Ohio had to stay open.

I think she was seeing the same thing they were seeing as we all were.

Sounding depressed, Brooks's analysis was, "You heard it here first.

This was the John Stewart election."

...especially when it's about a Dem winning.

The bastard doesn't go to jail for committing crimes either.

unless someone has the transcript or a URL or something to document it... the timing of it is suspect...

It doesn't have to be an urban legend. I was watching the body language of Kerry and Bush at each photo op on election day. Kerry looked nevious, catious, and presidential. The most telling scenes of the Bush camp was a segment played by the networks of Bush back in Ohio making phone calls. Bush thought he had lost. The tone in his voice and his body language gave away his thoughts. I do not think Bush would be a very good poker player. He clearly thought it was over. Laura Bush did too. I imagine Karen Hughes was privy the information that made the first couple look so defeated. I doubt Bush or Karen Hughes were let in on the magic behind the actual vote tally. This would be consistent with the way the Bush II and for that matter the Reagan White House operated. Rove likely knew the existence of magic, but even he may have been shielded from the specifics. Perhaps one day we will know.

karen probably didn't think they had cheated enough to change the results.

i saw this on Kos or wonkette, and was searching like crazy for it the other day.

the exit polls showed bush losing.

it was on a blog site and i searched koz, not there. cant search wonkette but i went back to Nov 2 not there

it was a pic of her supposedly telling the prez that he lost, she was very sad (i think she really luvs him) :puke: and he looking like he could care less and his family behind him having a good old time.

I can't remember where

The only good thing about that anecdote was it shows that even people high up in Duh-bya's admin weren't in on the fix. That will make it easier to recruit whistleblowers when the souffle hits the ceiling fan.

I doubt very highly that this story had even a grain of truth to it.

Because she needed a Chapter for her next stinking book. I hate that bitch.

I am interested in your take on what happened on Nov 2. Do you think at some point on election day "someone pulled the switch" and activated the plan to garner more votes for * (other than the long lines, voter suppression)? What time do you think this happened? The reason I ask is because if there was a time when things were switched, that could be checked by looking at actual votecount VS time.

Unfortunately, without a full and thorough investigation, things like this won't be known with any certainty. Especially necessary would be an auditing of the machines, as well as comparisons to exit polls.

Of course, the more logical theory is that in addition to the total disenfranchisement of voters, the tabulation process the machines went through after the polls closed, clearly played a part in the manipulation. This could have been pre-determined, or the word might have been given to activate the program that day, once it appeared Shrub was going to lose by a significant margin.

And it was probably a publicity stunt to show that Bush and Hughes weren't culpable in any fraudulent activity.

Because the boob lost, They had to massively cheat, lie and steal this election. I honestly dont believe they meant to do it, they had too. It was a landslide for Kerry. people dont stand in line for over 7+ hours to keep the present occupant in the White House. They overplayed their hand and we have upped the ante and called.

Now is time to lay the cards on the table.