It's threads like this that makes me want to tell DU to fuck off

I see spleen venting and then quite a few people saying they think there is a good reason for it. Ignore the bile, you'll feel better. I refuse to let it get to me.

I'm about at my end with DU to be honest with you. I used to think that there was a broad enough cross section of liberal types on this board. But it seems more and more like coming here makes me realize why we lose elections and it just depresses me. Everyone has their pet issues and if someone, anyone DARES to not think about it in the exact same way they do with the exact same level of vigor that they do then they spew such invective and hatred at that person. It's starting to remind me of primary season.

This self directed firing squad/slash and burn combination is going to be the death knell of the democratic party and liberalism in general.

I am fairly new to the board, but have been considering a post just like yours. Thanks for saying that...it needed to be said. I am AMAZED at how hostile some of us can be. We all think Bill Clinton is a hero until he says ONE thing that we disagree with and then suddenly he is a treasonous bastard. Same with Al Franken or anyone else who dares to question anything posted here.

I just don't get it.

:hi:

We are having a family fight right now but I believe that we will all calm down soon and things will get better.

Right now there are just too many infiltrators and disruptors and disgrunted people who keep the anger and bitterness going. Ignore them.

Please, come in and stay a while. :)

Your right on about Bill Clinton!
Most everyone here seemed to like him until he said he thought Bush won.

Look- I may disagree with him but I don't think it means Clinton is a dickbag

watching us eat our own.

Seriously people, put your game face on and shut up. BIG TEAM, little me.

Thanks, Ruby.

my pleasure. :)

:hi:

We squash speech and we become shallow. Democrats don't all think alike.

and forget to bring common sense to the table when they are spouting their hatred for everything related to the democratic party after the election :tinfoilhat:

Insurgents from a world far, far away for ours (ideology wise) have invaded for the sole purpose of discouraging DUers and slamming our leaders. Don't fall for it, don't let them rove you (political version of punked).

Stay above the fray! Old interviews recycled to new news before such a historical occurence just proves they are nervous!

Don't let the bastards get ya down!

What are they hiding? :shrug: What are they afraid of? :think:

Both the Dems and the Pubs are owned by the wealthy and the corporations. The system runs on money, and those with money own the whole system.

Whine about the fact that we breath oxygen, it makes just as much sense.

The ones without spines are the ones who say both parties are the same so we might as well take our ball and go home. Or go third party, same thing.

came to be.

Yes things are different now, they're much worse. We are rushing backward to a Feudal system. Wage inequity is higher than anytime in the last 80 years. And the Demo's who don't stand up to the Republicans who are cheating, lying and bending & breaking congressional rules are of no use to me. Watch as the Pubs get everything they want for their corporate masters: tax "relief", SS privatization, tort reform, etc.

I'm not saying the 2 parties are the SAME... I'm saying those who do not oppose what's wrong are equivalent to NOTHING.

FDR took some elements of communism-- wealth redistribution programs-- and some elements of fascism--government works programs-- and infused them into a corporate, capitalist system. Yeah, many capitalists hated it, but many also supported it. The biggest opposition was old money-- the American aristocracy-- who wanted to sit on their money rather than try to earn it the old fashioned way. But FDR used money to win elections, and he gave concessions to the wealthy to get money from them.

But FDR is a non sequitur. Your other post complained that the system runs on money and those with money control the system. Yes, it does, it always has, it always will. The most liberal of our presidents have usually been the richest--FDR, JFK, Jefferson. FDR didn't win with some grass-roots organization, he won with money, and not just his. He solicited contributions, too, and he made concessions to get them.

their corporate contributors.... when you feel scarcity - emotionaly - regardless of your weath - behavior will be greedy.

Look, as a lawmaker you can sell the corporate agenda to the peeps (and sell them down the river) or convince the masters that being truly compassionate is a good (profitable?) thing.

Right now someone has to lie down in front of the train in order to stop it.

BTW I am a capitalist. But I agree with Chomsky, that capitalism WANTS regulation.

And no, I'm not Gola Wolf Richards.

names. Who knows? They have strong feelings..about SOMETHING.

:hi:

outlast the bitches.

are being just as negative!

You can't blame everyone for a few people. This is a big tent message board.

The Europeans know half of America voted for the other guy. You know most of DU has a favorable impression of John Kerry.

Try not to let the few get in the way of what is, on the whole, a very good thing.

:grouphug:

Thanks for the smile :D

...and telling the trolls to fuck off... and the rest of the Radical RW for that matter.

Most here at DU are good folks. We can't let a little bit of third-rate psy-ops by a bunch of mamma's boys get us pissed.

NGU.

leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hate leads to suffering..." - Yoda

I just love that line...

Don't let them get you down girl!

That's why the Radical RW has to foster war, division, and shouting matches. It's the only way they can win.

NGU.

Kerry is hiding in Iraq on the 6th.

Most of the rest is BS on that thread

He knows that someone is going to contest (or try to). It's gonna get ugly. I'm not sure if him being here is such a great idea.

Except looking at the post counts of those who were the major detractors on that thread convinced me right away that they aren't legit. If they were/are true DUers, they would either not participate in a hatefest, or they would have not been as ballsy as these people are being. Several of them convinced me to put in a call to the right people about their lack of discretion and total lack of committment to the process.

I sincerely doubt the majority of those people are going anywhere but OUT of DU soon, and back over to their little hidey-hole at FR.

and probably why he has unleashed him minions to annoy productive and capable DUers.

Seems a concerted effort going on to target and wear down some really productive and wise people on the DU. Take it as a good sign, We have them worried and edging towards desperation.

XO
hm
PS We need you. Take what rest you need, but remember the genesis of the DU and keep you eyes on the prize.

...of us eating our own. :eyes:

I've been on DU for less than a year, but have already seen a lot of posters come and go. You've been here since 2001? You know the trolls will skuttle away eventually. :-)

Remember liberals were brought up to validate their emotions so we say what we are really thinking, not like right wingers who choke it all in until they are so full of bitterness they become twisted and corrupt with no sense of self esteem or identity.

The negative is that we sometimes say somethings that are not really appropriate or nice, especially when taken out of context. This can lead to in-fighting.



The positive is that we are honest and we respect each others honesty and emotions (most of the time). THis means we can really love ourselves and others,




something the Freepers can never do.




Liberals also have the benefit of a world view that includes a rainbow of colors. It is good that John Conyers is fighting for election reform. It is GOOD that JOhn Kerry is fighting for our troops in Iraq. It is GOOD that Bill Clinton is fighting for the survival of Tsunami victims. These are all heroes. And they all make me proud to be a Democrat.



How sad it must be to be a Freeper and see the world in shades of black and white.

Launching a challenge might be unseemly for someone considering a '08 run in the present spirit of capitulation. The media could give him the Dean scream treatment should he even threaten to rock the boat.

I'm sure that my response will just result in more screw you's in my inbox...but I came here after Kerry lost the election because I felt that there was something wrong with the exit polls...I believe in my heart that there was tampering...but the failure of the democratic party to ever really stand up...made me start to wonder if they had something to hide too. It felt like a roller coaster for awhile...with posts "It's going to happen today"....and then nothing happening and I began to feel discouraged. When I actually came out and said that I was feeling discouraged I was called a 'freeper' (I actually never DID figure out what that means) and when I protested that I wasn't a troll people actually wrote f*** you messages to me in my inbox. :wow:

For every 20 posts I made adding information, there was 1 where I said "I'm feeling weary...where is the BBV evidence" or something. I was literally told not to f*** with Bev....later it came to light that she was probably f***ing with us. :evilfrown:

I got tired of the attacks....I'm a pretty liberal democrat but I don't think we all have to agree on every single issue all the time. It's not possible.

I just stopped posting here, though I still occasionally lurk and read. I certainly wish this protest movement success...and I regret that because of how people have acted that I will no longer be a part of it.

When 'W' took our country to war I stood up and protested and remember the outcries from the right that I was unamerican. I even remember O'Reilly saying he would spotlight any protesters that didn't 'get on the team'. Now people here are doing the same thing. Anyone that has any doubt or feels deflated is told to shut up and tow the line or else.....to me that is no different than the radical neocons that I despise.

flame away

that also explains why I have less posts...but it doesn't make me less of a democrat or less of a Kerry supporter. It actually says that DU needs to do some reflection about how they handle newbies.

Their hate is their own problem. It is their karmic burden, not yours.

Hello and a very warm and gracious welcome to DU (I probably came here after you btw), I feel like you may have not gotten the welcome you deserve... Id give you the smilie waving hello but its curently being used for psy ops!?

Please stick around, we need people with kind open minds that have a desire in their hearts to do away with all evil neo-fascists be they DINOs or thuglickers.

Peace and love!

Thank you to everyone who has responded so positively to me...and for the new welcome!

Welcome to DU. We aren't all assholes nor do we all show our assholes. :)

Would it help if I sent happy messages to your inbox? I can do that if it helps!

Love, love, love
All we need is love

and a few freeper traps.

I came to this site for the EXACT same reason -- very upset with election results. (Also, very upset by Kerry's concession speech -- too wimpy, no rabble-rousing "I lost but the Dem Party will keep fighting for the little people of this country, etc., etc.).

Much to my surprise, when I posted something I was besieged by foul-languaged replies, calling me a freeper, an MSM parrot, implying I was a retard, saying I was slow on the uptake, etc., etc. Yikes!! There should have a warning label on the Home page telling first-time visitors what to watch out for. Stupid me, I thought because it was called "Democratic Underground", it was for mainstream Democrats. A

I am sticking with the site because there are some super-intelligent people on here. However, this site has some of the most incredibly dogmatic, closed-minded people I've ever run into!! This particular subset don't listen AT ALL to what more moderate Democrats think. (e.g., if you say you saw someone on C-SPAN, they don't care who it was or what the person said -- they just tell you C-SPAN is a "corporate tool"). It's like there's a set of buzzwords that just sets them off!! Again, most people on here aren't like that, but some are, so watch out.

I hope I see you on a thread sometime! If you are being called a freeper, fascist, retard, idiot, or otherwise having foul language heaped upon your head, I'll stick up for you (unless of course, you're saying something I don't agree with, in which case I'll call you a %$&# stupid, a**hole DLC'er moron who is a puppet of the corporate warmongers). Nah, just kidding, I wouldn't do that.

We are all a part of and are now witnessing a movement of

HISTORIC PROPORTIONS!!! Be proud that your voices have been loud, steady and determined! I believe that hope and lots of hard work has made many people in our democracy stand up and fight for what is right!
THIS IS OUR COUNTRY!!! NOONE WILL FIGHT FOR IT IF WE DO NOT!!! I will never stop fighting for truth and justice. I will fight until I draw my last breath if I have to...I believe in modeling behavior that the young adults in our country will aspire to! They are watching all of us closely right now...lets be role models that embrace honor, integrity and courage! There are good people in this country that are willing to stand up --protect and defend our constitution!

"In a time of universal deceit telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."-Orwell

WHAT ARE THEY HIDING???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x231461#231665 the rest isn't that bad actually.
I think it's worth asking questions about Kerry's move and motive.
That poster might be on the right track.

In Florida, Al Gore was the training wheels. When he went away, we still didnt know how to ride a bike. When 2002 came along, and they stole the elections in Georgia, we were not prepared, so the GOP got away with it. This time, Kerry isnt being our training wheels, so we are having to learn to ride the bike ourselves. And so now we know it isnt about Karl Rove stealing Kerry's win, it is out the neo-cons stealing our democracy.

from Kerry's mass e-mail:

"Tomorrow, members of Congress will meet to certify the results of the 2004 presidential election. I will not be taking part in a formal protest of the Ohio Electors.

Despite widespread reports of irregularities, questionable practices by some election officials and instances of lawful voters being denied the right to vote, our legal teams on the ground have found no evidence that would change the outcome of the election."

has uncovered nothing that would change it in a court of law RIGHT NOW. Once again, as with Bush v. Gore, the Bushies have used legal technicalities to run out the clock.


Does he say anywhere that there was no election fraud, no suppression of minority vote, no need for election reform, no need for investigation, no need for a special prosecutor? These are the issues that are going to confront America in the months to come.

It's never been obvious what Kerry is going to do. We were just voicing our doubts. Surely we can do that and even disagree about some things.

And I can't imagine if you've been here since 2001 how you'd feel. Of course, some just never liked Kerry-fine.

But some of us have been here every fucking day for six months hoping and praying and working and writing letters or working to get out the vote and doing what we can to get Bush out. And some of us were here on the wee hours of November 3rd-stupifed and shocked and hurting and ready to fight and go to Ohio if necessary.

And some of us-like me geniunely LIKE Kerry a bunch. Still.

There is the blame Kerry camp and the blame Bush camp.

That sums it up for me.

instead of fully trying to understand all issues connected to the election fraud and Kerry and walking in Kerry's shoes.

:-(

to understand all of the issues in the long-term in order to initiate REAL CHANGE...

and the PC police haven't arrived yet. Seems there's more concern about double entendres and swearing in the Lounge than infestation by the enemy.

I've pretty much stopped posting as a result...everyone, Happy New Year! I hope DU gets back to its old self soon. :-(

All you think about is fucking. Well, I have a headache, dammit!

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Ignore them. Alert on them. Go to the Lounge.

Don't let the bastards grind you down. They are trying. They almost broke me a few weeks ago but I have outlasted them. They will not make me leave DU. No way. No how.

NO retreat and no motherfucking surrender.

I know that you are getting fed up and I can understand. I am too but then I read this from a poster who has 4 posts:

"I've called probably a dozen senators. These include Obama, Kennedy, and Boxer. I also called close to that number representatives. I've heard a lot of "yeah, we are considering it" and "we've gotten a lot of these phone calls. Here in New Mexico a gentlemen from Udall's office was VERY receptive and said that he was passing these messages along almost immediately. I don't know that they are being passed immediately, but from his tone I could tell he was passing messages quickly and really wanted to see something big happen. I also have my best friend in Illinois and my girlfriend calling Senators and Representatives. Just thought I would fill you in. I'm trying folks."

That post negated the shitty posts that I receive every single time I plead for a bit of unity.

Don't get down. The above poster is what DU is about.