After reading results for 3 days...I now understand........

They stole the election and simply did a much better (harder to prove) job than they did in 2000? Is that about right?

I think you will find someone will be breaking this story on the blog circuit complete with proof before you know it.

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If we have irrefutable proof now that we didn't have in 2000 ....
WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE ABOUT IT ??? :shrug:



:hippie: <-- waiting for marching orders

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and she is PISSED! She told me, 'There is no way Bush will be in office for another 4 years. We are going to boot him out!' She asked me what is being done with the findings of voter fraud, because she is convinced that there is no way 4 million more people voted for Bush this time around.

I told her about blackboxvoting.org, and she said she's going to be donating weekly. This is miss level-headed who thought I was being too hard on Bush 2 years ago. She's FIRED UP! I've never seen her this motivated about politics before. She ended the call telling me she's doing some research this weekend about the voting results. Bush is in for it. You DON'T want to piss off my sister!

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it'll chill her bones but it's good to know who we're dealing with:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
"Increasingly, investigative writers seeking an explanation have looked to Diebold’s history for clues. The electronic voting industry is dominated by only a few corporations – Diebold, Election Systems & Software (ES&S) and Sequoia. Diebold and ES&S combined count an estimated 80% of U.S. black box electronic votes.

In the early 1980s, brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich founded ES&S’s originator, Data Mark. The brothers Urosevich obtained financing from the far-Right Ahmanson family in 1984, which purchased a 68% ownership stake, according to the Omaha World Herald. After brothers William and Robert Ahmanson infused Data Mark with new capital, the name was changed to American Information Systems (AIS). California newspapers have long documented the Ahmanson family’s ties to right-wing evangelical Christian and Republican circles.

In 2001, the Los Angeles Times reported, “. . . primarily funded by evangelical Christians – particularly the wealthy Ahmanson family of Irvine – the institute’s $1-million annual program has produced 25 books, a stream of conferences and more than 100 fellowships for doctoral and postdoctoral research.” The chief philanthropists of the Discovery Institute, that pushes creationist science and education in California, are Howard and Roberta Ahmanson.

According to Group Watch, in the 1980s Howard F. Ahmanson, Jr. was a member of the highly secretive far-Right Council for National Policy, an organization that included Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, Major General John K. Singlaub and other Iran-Contra scandal notables, as well as former Klan members like Richard Shoff. Ahmanson, heir to a savings and loan fortune, is little reported on in the mainstream U.S. press. But, English papers like The Independent are a bit more forthcoming on Ahmanson’s politics."

and this:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-38.htm
"The hot story in the Blogosphere is that the "erroneous" exit polls that showed Kerry carrying Florida and Ohio (among other states) weren't erroneous at all - it was the numbers produced by paperless voting machines that were wrong, and Kerry actually won. As more and more analysis is done of what may (or may not) be the most massive election fraud in the history of the world, however, it's critical that we keep the largest issue at the forefront at all time: Why are We The People allowing private, for-profit corporations, answerable only to their officers and boards of directors, and loyal only to agendas and politicians that will enhance their profitability, to handle our votes?

Maybe Florida went for Kerry, maybe for Bush. Over time - and through the efforts of some very motivated investigative reporters - we may well find out (Bev Harris of www.blackboxvoting.org just filed what may be the largest Freedom of Information Act
But in all the discussion about voting machines, let's never forget the concept of the commons, because this usurpation is the ultimate felony committed by conservatives this year."

and another:
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won.php

"Kerry won. Here's the facts.

I know you don't want to hear it. You can't face one more hung chad. But I don't have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage called American democracy, it's my job to tell you who got the most votes in the deciding states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was John Kerry.

Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. CNN's exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent. Kerry also defeated Bush among Ohio's male voters 51 percent to 49 percent. Unless a third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state.

So what's going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters ask, "Who did you vote for?" Unfortunately, they don't ask the crucial, question, "Was your vote counted?" The voters don't know.

Here's why. Although the exit polls show that most voters in Ohio punched cards for Kerry-Edwards, thousands of these votes were simply not recorded. This was predictable and it was predicted. "

Some of us are more aware of what they did, but the vast majority of Americans are clueless about BBV. Not one person I've mentioned it to has shown any interest in looking into it any further. They seem willing to :shrug: and move on. Even people who belive ₆₆₆ stole it last time don't think he stole it this time. When I tried talking to people about the unreliability of BBV before the election I got blank stares or a change of subject.

We need Bev & Ralph to get the proof first, then go to the matresses.

the security drawbacks of electronic voting. She's a Christian fundy that only watches faux news.

I told her that bushco must have stolen votes when the information was downloaded from the voting machines into the larger database. She just didnt get it.

that the Dems were ill suited to cope and did not listen to hard truths.
This enabled what HAD TO BE a too daring and overreaching fraud that stunned those moderately prepared to overcome it.

Facing things sideways got us sideswiped. For the third big time I renounced my intuition or suspended it to trust in people better than myself. Three times I was proven a fool along with them. In all other things my only other failing was in underestimating the Bush horror or simplicity. A simplicity protected by the incompetence even more than the complicity of the party and the media.

I should not be right. They had to overreach. Even if the polls had not already been adjusted to reflect the belief in the last stolen election(therefore hedged against us already) their accuracy was supposed to signal trouble. The only trouble signaled was the media gimbals trying to spin reasons for Bush winning the hearts and minds of stolen ballots. It was blatant.

The little bit of this and that of the GOP conspirators could be cracked like a rotten eggshell by any decent prosecutor(thought we had a few, Schumer, Kerry, Spitzer), but that whole bailiwick is taboo except for the GOP. The computer abuse is so blatant and so widespread that the election in fact is rendered null and void. If you want to know why we have a Senator Carson look at their machinery. To steal that would have triggered an auditable recount- the last thing they wanted. Enjoy your grace period Senator.

Predicting the misery is shooting fish in a barrel for an amateur not glossy eyed with establishment myth. Moore did wonders with puckishness. He fared no better in the foolishness department. The failure and incompetence of those who merit trust(ordinarily) truly makes me hesitate, it is so incredible. Daring to see is not wisdom. It is raw sorrow and anger.

But not enough.

for their exit polls this one time. I mean, in the past there were several sources for exit polls, something that this time would have made it easier to prove the fraud. But, since the Florida "fiasco", the networks changed their ways. How convenient for them and inconvenient for making a case on electoral fraud. Wouldn't you say?