Florida Numbers on Op-Scan machines shows HUGE %Drop in Dem turnout??????

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm


What do you make of these numbers???? The Op-Scan numbers ALL show a large percent decrease in Democratic turnout and a huge increase in Republican turnout!!!!! This looks extremely suspicious! Am I seeing this right!

COuld be that the repubs were better at mobilizing their side to vote. Generally, the repubs have a lower percentage registered, but I believe that a higher percentage of them go the extra mile and vote.

It is one thing to simplistically compare registered voters to turnout and assume that the voter turnout will have the same proportions. I don't want to go over it all, but the the comments by the graphs would be debunked my any real statistician for the purposes of drawing conclusions. It is enough to look into it further, but a loooong way from conclusions.

Smaller precincts in that graph have lower dem and higher rep turnout. I think thats what that shows.

But it isn't insufficient data to be extremely suspicious. Some of the numbers (Baker County second line) are just plain ridiculous. And why were the Republicans so much better getting the turnout (400% increas? Give me a fucking break) when it was op-scan machines

and I can tell you the Dems had no trouble getting out their vote - we waited in line for hours to vote and as Randi Rhodes says you don't wait in line for hours to vote for the status quo....

I don't buy this either. Freepers are pretty determined too.

However, for all my playing devil's advocate - and I am right to do this so that we retain credibility, I hope that it can be proven that bush cheated.

she was voting in the Miami-Dade area -- and she is on the road all the time and has contacts all over the city. She observed long lines at all polling places within the Miami-Dade area. And her extended family also reported long lines -- and she has a HUGE extended family. She also happens to be black -- of Caribbean heritage -- so she is in touch with the vast Caribbean network -- who HATE bush and they voted Kerry.

She told me that the Democrats were getting out the vote and that the lines were very very long.

We know that a huge turnout favors Democrats.

it is insufficient to draw a conclusion, but it could warrant further investigation so that my previosu statement could be proved wrong. When I run out of ways to be devil's advocate, then the OP might have something!

It would certainly be a relatively easy investigation to mount.

It is a very rural area and a very bible toting place that may have people registeres sa democrats from 20 years ago when the redneck south was always democrat - maybe the just never changed their status to repub - either way, an investigation would definitely be worth our time - promote the idea.

It's a small county. Call the 4000 democrats and see how they voted.

a lot of people want you to think they voted for the winner. This kind of sample will not be scientific.

When the winner is as dumb as Bush, you would be proud to say Kerry was your choice.

based on what? This is pure assumption on your part.

where it will get more attention.

10-1 (APPROX) Dem to Repug and only about 4000 voters. It certainly wouldn't be hard to take a team down there and find out with that few voters.

Unfortunatly many Dems in small northern Florida counties, are Harry Byrd Dems, and vote Republican for national candidates. I wish people would actually look at the historical data, since I have posted this information about 6 times already whenever this ustogether site comes up. here is the historical data for Liberty County as an example. Now you can see that despite their high Dem registration, they actually vote Republican in similar percentages to 2004

Liberty county which was the supposedly the most highly scewed values, but that is because the site comes up with a projected vote based on registration, insetad of historical data.

 	 	     
                Bush    Kerry
Liberty         1,927   1,070

So In 2004 Republicans got 63% of the vote in Liberty

but in 1988
                Bush    Dukakis
Liberty  	1,419  	709  	 Republicans get 66%

in 1992
               Clinton  Bush   Perot 
Liberty  	820  	1,126  	617   Repub + Perot = 68%

in 1996
               Clinton  Dole   Perot  Repub + Perot = 61%
Liberty  	868  	913  	376

and in 2000
                Bush    Gore    
Liberty  	1,317  	1,017    Republicans get 56% 

They have never ever given anything like the projected vote, that site comes up with, because it's based on registration data.

This is true for each of the highly scewed counties in the list at ustogether

here's historical data for Florida Presidential elections by county
1988
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/DetailRpt.Asp?ELECTIONDATE=11/8/88&RACE=PRE&PARTY=&DIST=&GRP=&DATAMODE=
1992
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/DetailRpt.Asp?ELECTIONDATE=11/3/92&RACE=PRE&PARTY=&DIST=&GRP=&DATAMODE=
1996
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/DetailRpt.Asp?ELECTIONDATE=11/5/96&RACE=PRE&PARTY=&DIST=&GRP=&DATAMODE=
2000
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/DetailRpt.Asp?ELECTIONDATE=11/7/00&RACE=PRE&PARTY=&DIST=&GRP=&DATAMODE=

favoring dems over rep. totaling 3,400,000 votes??? all conties throughout the state having op/scan.

thanks. Do you have something that explains the 300 and 400% increases in Republican turnout and 60 0r 70% drop in Dem turnout in a number of counties?

looking at results from earlier elections for these counties and comparing them to the current one.

Many of these counties have DINO who consistently vote Rep in state and national races. Dem turnout is not "down", these DINO are voting heavily Republican.

A more credible analysis would show counties with suspect percentage changes. A county that went Dem with 55% in 2000 and is now only 45% Dem, for example, would be worthy of consideration.

look at the 2000 numbers. My Dad who is a Chemist thinks the numbers look very fishy! He is crunching them right now but he just had to look at them for ten seconds and said "Something is wrong here!"

the values in column "Percent Change - REP" should fall within the same range in both tables. Same with the DEM column.

the optical scan system leaves a paper trail to hand count.
it is going to take a groundswell of monumental proportions to get that to happen though.

A pattern of 'miscounts' will be established through an investigation in NH and that will trigger an investigation in other states with optical scanners like Florida. Brilliant, isn't it? I wish I'd thought of it. ;)

Not after 2000 and not after such a huge GOTV effort in that state. No way. Democrats were coming out of the woodwork in Florida. They flipped the numbers or padded them. I'll be very interested to see which it is.

THERE IS NO WAY THE DEMOCRAT TURNOUT WAS LESS IN FLORIDA AFTER 2000 ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD BUSH'S 4 YEARS OF MISERY.

LOL! You're not upset about this, are you? Naw! ;)

If we get a recount via Nader in NH, we have our probable cause to investigate the optical scanners in Florida. We WILL get this done.
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