All the talk about suppression, none about the MACHINES

Carolab

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Thu Jan-06-05 06:38 PM
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All the talk about suppression, none about the MACHINES

Was a mistake.

If people have more machines but they still steal the votes, what is accomplished there?

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justiceischeap

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Thu Jan-06-05 06:39 PM
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1. What do the machines matter

If you can't even get in the door to use them? What came first, the chicken or the egg?

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Orsino

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Thu Jan-06-05 06:44 PM
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4. Those expensive and rare machines...

...are in part excuse to keep people from squeezing through the door to vote. If people were checking boxes on slips of paper, more would have gotten to vote.

The other function, of course, is to allow the hackers easy access.

It's all about the machines, a point that was deliberately avoided today.

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Carolab

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Thu Jan-06-05 06:52 PM
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7. But it was only one half of the argument.

You need both: stop the suppression AND stop the machine fraud.

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OKthatsIT

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Thu Jan-06-05 07:11 PM
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17. Hillary was outspoken about electronic voting without a paper trail

She looked very worked up over it too.

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Pirate Smile

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Thu Jan-06-05 06:42 PM
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2. Harkin talked about the machines.

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Carolab

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Thu Jan-06-05 06:53 PM
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8. Yes. I saw that. Very good.

Still the balance of the discussion was on the suppression.

I am not diminishing the importance of this point. But, if people still vote on machines that rob the votes, what does it matter?

So they get in the door--but their vote is vaporized--why bother to vote at all?

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GreenPartyVoter

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Thu Jan-06-05 06:43 PM
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3. Jesse Jackson brought up the Machines, and I think McKinney

and some others did as well.

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DRoseDARs

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Thu Jan-06-05 06:44 PM
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5. People have to get to the polls first before they can be frauded at them..

...though I do agree the machines are the bigger problem. It's harder to suppress reports of disenfranchisement than it is to hide fraudulant machine operation.

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MarkusQ

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Thu Jan-06-05 06:45 PM
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6. They start with the suppression because it's been proved. (n/t)

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theboss

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Thu Jan-06-05 06:54 PM
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9. The machines are a grey area

They aren't ideal in their current state, but I don't think any senator wants to go on record as advocating a red check mark in a box.

The problems with access are fairly evident.

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understandinglife

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Thu Jan-06-05 06:59 PM
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10. Here's what's just been posted at votersunite:

http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction/mediaSnohomishCounty.htm

A followup to:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x235137

This is being reviewed by members of Congress and others.

Peace.

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Carolab

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Thu Jan-06-05 07:00 PM
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11. Go GET 'EM! n/t

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understandinglife

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Thu Jan-06-05 07:11 PM
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16. For sure; and that Rossi dude keeps screamin' revote; oh, for those...

...who wish who do not first consider the consequences of getting what they want..... ;-)

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mzmolly

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Thu Jan-06-05 07:01 PM
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12. Actually I heard specific discussion on Diebold and the machines?

I was flipping around. ;)

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corky44

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Thu Jan-06-05 07:04 PM
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13. House Final Report pages 81-83

instant hair curl

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KittyWampus

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Thu Jan-06-05 07:06 PM
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14. You Were NOT LISTENING THEN. They Most Certainly DID

That's number ONE>

Number TWO is that by focusing on the suppression of 100,000 Voters )mainly African American) they made the GOP look like racists.

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NVMojo

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Thu Jan-06-05 07:07 PM
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15. too many have been fooled into thinking the machines are not a problem,

Carolab, and maybe it is all just 'so over their heads' overwhelming for them to imagine.

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