Now I love Michael Moore but did he inspire Bush's base?

All I hear from Republicans I know is how angry they were about Fahrenheit 9/11. Now if I know the Clinton's I bet you Hillary will not go near him with a ten foot poll. Not that I agree with this but it's something I would like to discuss.

and guts to expose this administration of course they want him stopped. I plan on continuing to support him. He turned a lot of people against Bush that were on the fence. Most of those repugs listen to Limbaugh and worse. They don't know what they think only what they're told to think.

The homophobes came out in droves. This had nothing to do with Moore.

He has faith-based poll numbers.

NGU.

they couldn't keep the movie on the shelves (everybody liked it) and all the young people were out voting because they thought that Kerry and the Democrats would up the minimum wage. I think all F-911 (it actually didn't go far enough, but you can't have an 8 hour documentary and be commercially viable) did was help things along and no way do I buy this phony baloney talk of mandates. This election was not for real.

Democracy was stolen in plain sight.

What is it about progressives who get angry when things go wrong and start tearing each other down.

Moore is an American hero. Not an icon to worship, but a true hero.

Let's turn our anger toward those who stole the election, toward positive action to change things. Tearing down the work of people who have done everything they could to make a difference, and DID, is self-destructive.

come across less divisive while maintaining our core beliefs. Never will I abandon my core beliefs but I also believe how the message is delivered makes all the difference in how it is perceived and if it will be received with open ears. As Will Rogers said "I never met a man I didn't like". I know, he never met George Bush however a certain level of respect is needed no matter how much you hate someone. Wesley Clark made this very clear to us in New Mexico when he talked to us about changing minds. He said "I know you all hate Bush but you cant say that when you are trying to change minds."

I know when the Republicans make fun of Kerry it fires me up! If they were civil I would be more open to listening to what they have to say.

Don't gloss it over

Have commercials that say, Tom Delay believes in the America of McKinley

Have adds saying, Republicans want you to be a corporate serf

Throw in their faces the false morality, we work for the poor becuase Christ worked for the poor. (May need a litle tooling due to other religions but in some sections of the country it will work and you know it)

You go hungry because they hate to raise yoru minimum wage

Stop being too intellectual with the message, lord knows they are not. Stick to facts, but use small blurbs that peoople can digest.

Oh and yes, emphasize that the REpublcian agenda is that of Cheap Labor... teh cheaper the better. Here is where focus groups might have worked, since the middle class message did not run well all over the place

Oh and Edwards knows the language well... just listen to his two americas message... he is on the right track. But it needs tooling and oh yes ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK, on issues Republicans own, such as morality.

Their morality is false, but you and I need to show it to people

I know Republicans, that don't follow politics that closely, who watched F 9/11 and were unable to vote for Bush and actually ended up voting for Kerry. Moore actually went over the top a tad in the movie, but he definitely scored votes for Kerry. I'd bet atleast a million.

if Jesus Christ himself had come in on a cloud and endorsed John Kerry it would only have inspired the Bush debased.

and buying pubbie spin

What part of the election was stolen are you having a problem compreheding? We won compadre. We did all we had to do... they stole it.

It is the machines stupid and the faster people digest this and start raising hell, the better

They didn't want any of the truth to come out. Why should we care what they think about it. And if any Dem tries to distance themselves from MM because he told the truth they don't deserve a nomination in my opinion.

They FEAR moore.
Period.

after all...this is a culture war, not reasoned discourse about charming regional differences.

Yes, we should probably try to see their point of view, or at least acknowledge it, but does that mean they don't have to do the same.

Moore is someone with a point-of-view, and last I checked, that was still legal. No one's forcing them to agree with him or go see his movies. People who can't deal with that are the ones with the problem...it's not him.

to the right-wing model. Their first priority is to have a focus for their hatred. If it wasn't MM, they would have just focused on something else and attacked that over and over and over again.

Remember "Whitewater?" That was a completely manufactured "scandal" that led to Ken Starr's fishing expedition that led to the impeachment of a Democratic president for a sexual dalliance.

The fascists must have a target. If it isn't MM or Whitewater, there will always be a person, non-scandal or 'imminent threat' to take their place.

anything else, to keep them from really looking at the facts.

I tried for months to get certain co-workers to see F9/11, and they wouldn't go near it, even after I offered to watch the Swift Boats trash, and Celcius412 or whatever it's called.

Rove's tactic is to attack the opponant's perceived strength. That's why he was so attacked. He was effective with the undecided. But did he inspire their base? That would take too much effort,to make themselves aware of what he's saying.

I think perhaps it's more the idea of Moore; somebody who is listened to by millions who doesn't love their little god.

As for Hillary, she's more a lightning rod than Moore is. There is nobody she could avoid that would improve her standing with those people.

...But the people that voted Buxh, hated MMoore

the christian al queda (the base) has been beaten in a straight up fight. we beat them fair and we beat them hard.

now we just need to beat the cheating and we are home free.

He said it's ok to be liberal and he's right.

Do you really think anybody who saw his movie would vote for Bush? The Right-wing talking heads demonized him & their followers believed every word. But none of them dared watch that movie full of "lies."

Of course, Hillary must be careful now because she's the obvious next candidate? You seem to have a good ear for all the right wing talking points.

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After Clark lost the primaries - due in large part media TOTALLY ignoring him, some Clarkies started attacking those of us writing LTTEs: "It's your fault media turned on us...if only we've been nicer...."
See a pattern?


Telling the truth is not a liability.