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Jasper 91 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:16 AM
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The Mirror is interested in doing a story about this fraud .
I've just spoken to Greg Box , a Mirror Jounalist who wants me to send him as much information has we have . Is there anyone who has a definitive list , if that's possible , of all the best , most obvious evidence of voter fraud ? I've just told him about the optiscan results in Florida and he was very interested .

He hopes to do a story for Monday's paper .
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:21 AM
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1. that is delightful!
Still hard to swallow that we need to turn to them for real news coverage....
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:34 AM
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3. I know, still I'm glad they're there
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:24 AM
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2. In this thread we post all the evidence of vote fraud.
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 09:41 AM by seemslikeadream
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1333866

This seems to be the best to me

make sure they know who started these touchscreen companies

Two brothers, Bob and Todd Urosevich, founded AIS in the 1980s. Today Bob is president of Diebold Election Systems, while Todd is a vice president at ES&S.

Diebold Election Systems, Inc., a wholly owned operating subsidiary of Diebold, Inc., recently won a $54 million contract to overhaul Georgia’s election system technology.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/11_10_02/Secret_Group_Manipulates/secret_group_manipulates.html

Vanishing Act
by Chris Floyd
19 September 2003

It's a shell game, with money, companies and corporate brands switching in a blur of buyouts and bogus fronts. It's a sinkhole, where mobbed-up operators, paid-off public servants, crazed Christian fascists, CIA shadow-jobbers, war-pimping arms dealers – and presidential family members – lie down together in the slime. It's a hacker's dream, with pork-funded, half-finished, secretly programmed computer systems installed without basic security standards by politically partisan private firms, and protected by law from public scrutiny. It's how the United States, the "world's greatest democracy," casts its votes. And it's why George W. Bush will almost certainly be the next president of the United States – no matter what the people of the United States might want.

The American vote-count is controlled by three major corporate players – Diebold, ES&S, and Sequoia – with a fourth, Science Applications International Corporation, coming on strong. These companies – all of them hardwired into the Bushist Party power grid – have been given billions of dollars by the Bush Regime to complete a sweeping computerization of voting machines nationwide by the 2004 election. These glitch-riddled systems – many using "touch-screen" technology that leaves no paper trail at all – are almost laughably open to manipulation, according to corporate whistleblowers and computer scientists at Stanford, Johns Hopkins and other universities.

The technology had a trial run in the 2002 midterm elections. In Georgia, serviced by new Diebold systems, a popular Democratic governor and senator were both unseated in what the media called "amazing" upsets, with results showing vote swings of up to 16 percent from the last pre-ballot polls. In computerized Minnesota, former Vice President Walter Mondale – a replacement for popular incumbent Paul Wellstone, who died days before the vote – was also defeated in a large last-second vote swing. Convenient "glitches" in Florida saw an untold number of votes intended for the Democratic candidate registering instead for Governor Jeb "L'il Brother" Bush. A Florida Democrat who lost a similarly "glitched" local election went to court to have the computers examined – but the case was thrown out by a judge who ruled that the innards of America's voting machines are the "trade secrets" of the private companies who make them.

Who's behind these private companies? It's hard to tell: The corporate lines – even the bloodlines – of these "competitors" are so intricately mixed. For example, at Diebold – whose corporate chief, Wally O'Dell, a top Bush fundraiser, has publicly committed himself to "delivering" his home state's votes to Bush next year – the election division is run by Bob Urosevich. Bob's brother, Todd, is a top executive at "rival" ES&S. The brothers were originally staked in the vote-count business by Howard Ahmanson, a member of the Council for National Policy, a right-wing "steering group" stacked with Bushist faithful.

Ahmanson is also one of the bagmen behind the extremist "Christian Reconstructionist" movement, which openly advocates a theocratic takeover of American democracy, placing the entire society under the "dominion" of "Christ the King." This "dominion" includes the death penalty for homosexuals, exclusion of citizenship for non-Christians, stoning of sinners and – we kid you not – slavery, "one of the most beneficent of Biblical laws."

Ahmanson also has major holdings in ES&S, whose former CEO is Republican Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska. When Hagel ran for office, his own company counted the votes; needless to say, his initial victory was reported as "an amazing upset." Hagel still has a million-dollar stake in the parent company of ES&S. In Florida, Jeb Bush's first choice for a running mate in his 1998 gubernatorial race was ES&S lobbyist Sandra Mortham, who made a mint installing the machines that counted Jeb's votes.
more
http://www.doublestandards.org/floyd4.html

Tales From the Grassy Knoll
Text by Eva Sion
Illustration by: Isaac Novak

Theonomic Reconstructionism:
One God, One Vote:

"We protect the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Now, we protect the most sacred treasure we have, our secret ballot." -Diebold CEO Wally O'Dell, May 2002.
"My purpose is total integration of biblical law into our lives." -Howard Ahmanson

How does a fervent belief in the End of the World and a conviction that the Bible (King James only, thank you ma'am) is the actual revealed word of God factor into one's long-term investment strategies? A strange question to be sure, but one that must have been posed by at least a few of the eclectic crowd who believe in Theonomic Reconstructionism.

Theonomic Reconstructionism is a belief that the only true authority is God's, that allegiance to biblical laws trumps that of civic law and that the Kingdom of Heaven needs to be built on Earth before Jesus will come again. In addition to that, homosexuals should be put to death, women should be banned from civic office, apostates and heretics should be stoned to death and there is a great need for more Christian politicians.

Not content to philosophize about such things, the TR movement sprang into action. Funded by billionaires such as Howard Ahmanson and the Coors and Hunt families, Reconstructionists formed think tanks such as the Chalcedon Institute and the Rutherford Institute (the friendly guys that funded Paula Jones' lawsuit against Clinton) to give the Christian Right a philosophical base to draw from, and political action committees to finance their elections.

....

According to the Reconstructionists, Jesus would do what Howard Ahmanson did. Ahmanson inherited his money from his father, owner of Home Savings & Loan (during the S&L scandal of the Reagan years, Home's investors, mostly small family investments, lost over $150 million dollars. No one went to jail). In addition to funding PACs and think tanks, Howard Jr. parlayed his fortune into the majority stock of a business called American Information Systems (AIS) started by two enterprising brothers, Todd and Bob Urosevich. AIS later merged with Business Records Corporation (BRC) and became Election Systems & Solutions (ES&S). ES&S is the number one provider of touch-screen voting machines. Their website claims that their products were used in collecting 56% of the national vote in the last presidential elections.

Todd Urosevich is now Vice President of ES&S. Strangely enough, brother Bob moved on to head the second largest computerized vote-counting business, Global Election Systems, recently purchased by ATM and security giant Diebold. (They now have both the Ohio and Georgia contracts.) In a round table swap of incestuous patronage the previous executives of Global moved on to head the third largest vote-counting company in the nation, Advanced Voting Systems. Combined, these three corporations will process nearly 80% of the next nationwide elections.


more
http://www.tabletnewspaper.com/politics/73_tftgk.html


Tell them to do this story too!
FAIR: New York Times Killed "Bush Bulge" Story
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1334005
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Jasper 91 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:28 AM
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10. I've sent him an email with your links
As they appear the most comprehensive . I think it would also be a good idea if some others emailed him with their evidence , or perhaps any other background information on your area such as demographics or the general feeling of the people in your area , which may be otherwise overlooked .

I won't put his email address up because I don't want him being inundated with freeper mail , but if you PM me , I will get right back to you with his info.

Come on everyone , this may be our only chance at getting this out into the mainstream media . They may look down on us , but The Mirror has won newspaper of the year many times and will have to be taken seriously .
:)
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:50 AM
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4. Publicity for the NH recount may help make it happen.
The reason behind it can be found here www.invisibleida.com/New_Hampshire.htm -- PM me if you need to give him my contact information for questions.
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:56 AM
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5. make sure they look at the graphic representations
of exit polls vs. results in this post by robbedvoter:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x26202#26206

They tell the story in a way that no one can ignore.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:07 AM
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6. This looks like a good thread on FL.
But I don't know how much of the info postin in this thread has been cross referenced in the other fraud thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x24037
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:10 AM
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7. I'm starting to compile a simple summary
http://ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm

I'm reading back through a bunch of threads, but I'm hoping to have a list organized by location, with links to references.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:11 AM
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8. kick nt
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:13 AM
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9. franklin county ohio...
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BayStateBoy Donating Member (562 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:31 AM
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11. Here's Some Evidence for them
Two Undeniable Facts:
1. Exist Polls only differed significantly from vote tallies in states using BBV or combination methods including BBV. (NC, NM, NH, FL, OH, PA)

2. In every case G. W. Bush was the recipient of significant additional votes (5%-7%) and Kerry was always the loser of votes.

Adding to the smell, owners of the two main BBV machines (Diebold, ES&S) and documented right wing activists and Bush supporters.

Historically, Exit polls are accurate within 2%

The deviation is the difference in percent between the first exit polls and the vote.

All the following states final results agreed with the exit polls

THEY ALL HAD PAPER TRAILS.

State...% voting deviation from exit polls
+2B means the change was + 2 for Bush

AZ 0
LA +2B
MI 0
IA +1B
ME 0 <no BBV
NV 0 < paper trail
MO -1B
IL 0 paper ballot
..............................................................
Now look at the states that were in play where there was NO paper trail. They ALL had Bush doing MUCH better than the Exit polls indicated.

They were ALL WAY OUTSIDE the 2% MoE.

WI +4B
PA +5B
OH +6B
FL +7B
MN +7B
NH +15B
NC +9B
CO +4B
NM +3B

ALL RESULTS WERE SKEWED TO BUSH!

Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters November 5, 2004 04:56 PM

According to the official election results posted on the Palm Beach County election website, 542,835 ballots were cast for a presidential candidate while only 454,427 voters turned out for the election (including absentee). This leaves a discrepancy of 88,408 votes cast for the presidential candidates...
Other election oddities occurred throughout Florida with some counties registering a 400% increase in expected voter turnout among Republicans while Democrats supposedly experienced a -60% decline in expected support within certain counties. The 50+ counties experiencing the high percentage fluctuations in expected turnout used optical scan voting machines on November 2nd.

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000715.html

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

http://www.michigancityin.com/articles/2004/11/04/news/news02.txt

Michigan City, IN: The day after a two-and-a-half-hour delay in counting ballots due to a glitch in a computer program, LaPorte County election officials are still trying to figure out what happened."Maybe there was a power surge," LaPorte County Clerk Lynne Spevak said. "Something zapped it."

At about 7 p.m. Tuesday, it was noticed that the first two or three printouts from individual precinct reports all listed an identical number of voters. Each precinct was listed as having 300 registered voters.

That means the total number of voters for the county would be 22,200, although there are actually more than 79,000 registered voters.


http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/10103931.htm

"Broward County corrected a computer glitch Thursday that had miscounted thousands of absentee votes, instantly turning a slot-machine measure from loser to winner and reinforcing concerns about the accuracy of electronic election returns.

The bug, discovered two years ago but never fixed, began subtracting votes after the absentee tally hit 32,500 -- a ceiling put in place by the software makers."

Voting machine error gives Bush 3,893 extra votes in Ohio
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?

f=/news/archive/2004/11/05/politics1149EST0515.DTL

More than 4,500 votes "lost" in North Carolina: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041104/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems

Errors plague voting process in Ohio PA Mohoning Mercer Trumbull Columbiana"
http://www.vindy.com/basic/news/281829446390855.php

In Florida, exit polling data showed the opposite of the final results provided through the state. Even more surprising are the changes in votes per party that occurred on November 2nd. Counties using e-touch voting machines in Florida showed an average vote gain of 29% for Republicans and a 23.8% increase for Democrats. However the counties that used optical scan vote machines showed drastic differences. Republicans gained by 128.45% in counties using optical scan voting machines while Democrats had a -21% loss (yes, that is negative 21%). Some districts in Florida showed gains over 400% while one, Liberty County, gained over 700% for Republicans.

Washington Dispatch: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID4343&conf=DCConfID122

Graphs: http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=388"


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