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BayStateBoy Donating Member (562 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:50 PM
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Is Bush A Legitimate President?
A president who wins "reelection" under allegations of fraud, whom 1/2 the public believes stole the first election, remains illegitimate.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:54 PM
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1. i still can't believe
this was all swept under the carpet the FIRST time he stole office!! we should be ashamed of ourselves.
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:14 PM
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2. bush is nothing more
than a FUCKING DICTATOR FASCIST PIG
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Trinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:42 PM
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3. Nope - read this
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veracity Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 03:47 PM
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4. wear a black ribbon....to show your opposition
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:05 PM
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5. He's a usurper.......Never MY President. Ever. n/t
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:21 PM
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6. He'll always be a bastard in my book.
:grr:
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:09 PM
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7. ABSOLUTELY NOT!
The Presidency was robbed again!

Look at the spreadsheet http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm">here, at ustogether.org, parsed into voting results by Florida county and voting machine. This time the attack was not through the touch-screen machines, but through the optical scan machines.

Note that voter turnout increased in the touch screen counties, but that increase was parsed (proportioned) as expected according to voter registration. No surprises.

But now look at the optical scan counties: There were HUGE disproportionate increases in numbers for for Bush -- 40% to 60% of registered Democrats would have had to vote for Bush this election for these numbers to be legitimate! How can anyone think there is any legitimacy behind this election? Just look at those numbers
for a while. They are real. They are fact.

If there was some sort of miraculous upswelling amongst the Democrats for Bush (to the tune of half of all registered Democrats!), then why was it not also seen in touch screen counties? Why was it curiously limited to optical scan counties?

HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE THIS ELECTION WAS NOT STOLEN???!!!

Just look at the numbers. The same can probably be said in other key states like Ohio. Hey Florida, betcha' didn't know that the registered Dems sitting next to you had swooned for all those good things Bush has done these past four years and decided to vote for Republican, huh? Amazing how they could keep their passion quiet and vote for Gee Dubya. Who would've thunk, huh? Not a peep beforehand?

We are the Wiemar Republic of the mid-thirties. Bush is our Hitler. Rove is our Goebbels. And note that it took a world war to dislodge the last fascist infection. Recall that Einstien said WW3 would be fought with nuclear weapons while WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones. Let's hope instead that Bush's New Imperium rusts out from within, through hegemonic overreach, just like all Empires of old (the dollar has already devalued around 30% under Bush's first 4 years). But it will take a few generations of misery first; I fear that we -- Americans, and the world -- are in for genuinely rough times ahead.

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:17 PM
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9. The optical scan machines scan the paper ballots, don't they?
How can we get those ballots re-counted by hand?
Those numbers are obscene. Are we supposed to believe that democrats in those small counties all of the sudden voted for Bush in enormous numbers?
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:24 PM
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11. I've been wondering this too
My first thought, knowing how closely this election will be watched, is that vast swathes of encoded paper will disappear. My second thought is that they'll jump to legalism -- there is no legal reason (Florida law) to launch a recount (I think). But if We the People clamour loudly enough, the absence of a recount will at least further tarnish Bush's legitimacy, hopefully enough to slow his fascist hand...

We should loudly trumpet these voting anamolies far and wide.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:06 PM
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13. your link doesn't work
and i am most interested in these numbers. can you fix it please? thanks.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:23 PM
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14. Try this
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:36 PM
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18. thanks...
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LiberalPersona Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:16 PM
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8. No, he isn't
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 05:16 PM by Shiru
As we all know, he did not win the 2000 election.
If Gore got the seat like he should have, Bush wouldn't have gone through all that war shit, and people would not look upon him as a "strong" leader for wartime, and they wouldn't have voted for him this year either.
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hangloose Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:21 PM
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10. Can we encourage him to eat another pretzel?
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:25 PM
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15. Haven't you wondered who beats up on Bush
I mean is it Laura, Cheney, Rumsfield, or some shadowy figure that pulls his strings. He sure does come up with a lot of unexplained bruises. If he were a child we would have to report it..
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hangloose Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:46 PM
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26. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THE STRING MASTERS THEY NEED MORE PRACTICE
poor chuckles. and buy the way I,m going call * chuckles after his often seen nervous laugh during the debates. Yeh chuckles fits.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:47 PM
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12. Absolutely NOT!
Nope!
No way!
Not on your life!
Keineswegs!
Nyet!
Uh! Uh!
What -- are you DREAMIN'?
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:27 PM
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16. Illegitimate!!!
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:59 PM
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17. NOOOOO! Illegitamate now and forever!
I agree with first poster (Juniper)--I am ashamed and think we really need to pull out the stops on recounts. Wish I felt more energetic today but I have that nasty flu. Should be in fighting shape next week.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:46 PM
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19. I personally think this election gives him legitimacy
I don't believe these allegations.

I have no respect for him, but he is the President of the United States.
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conservdem Donating Member (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:52 PM
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20. Yes.
Unfortunately he won and that makes him the legitimate President.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:26 PM
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21. Legitimate President?
I don't believe bush* is a legitimate human being!
I mean, that boy has some seriously IMPORTANT pieces missing, like a soul and a conscience.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:31 PM
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22. No. If I address him as president, it's "president Bogus"
Everything about him is bogus. He is a squatter in the White House.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:36 PM
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23. He is not my President.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:40 PM
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24. He never won the first election.
I am unsure of the legal precedent there.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:43 PM
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25. How can he be
His first term, won under great allegation of fraud was stolen

All this election means is that his co-conspirators in the theft approve of the theft, becaseu they like the thief.

In all likelihood, this election was stolen as well, with fradulent counts in the electronic equipment. There have been numerous reports of machines that gave voted meant for Kerry to Bush, others of machines which subtrated votes from Kerry when votes for Kerry were cast. Not one incident of the reverse was reported. When such reports were reported, only the machines in the precint in whihc the errors occured were reported. There is no way of knowing how many precints where no such reports were not made, had machines doing the same thing. It is easy to tell if a machine has not cast your vote correctly if the final screen shows you that your vote was cast incorrectly and you complain. It is less likely that people look at the little numbers counting the total of votes anbd notice that the total has dropped by one vote if they cast it for Kerry. While the sum total of votes known about which went for thw wrong candidate seems toonly have been a few thousand. Find one machine in 100 districts that has given almost 4000 votes meant for Kerry to Bush and you have almost 400 thousand votes canse for Bush that were meant for Kerry. Once this error was found to have occredin even one precint, every machine in every precinct should have been checked.

There is simply no such thing as one occrence of such miscounting on one machine alone occuring. They are all programmed the same. they are all set up to be calibrated the same way, and if one machine seems to be "miscalibrated" especially with touch screens the likelihood of many, many other machines doing the same is more likely than unlikely.

It is obvious that this election was stolen again, as the election in 2000 was stolen.

We can all state with fair sureness, that this president is not our president.
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belab13 Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:54 PM
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27. Hell No ! eom
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:56 PM
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28. You must be joking
Bush -- legitimate? Well, maybe a legitimate birth, but that's about it.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:17 PM
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29. He's not even a legitimate human being
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