Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Those curious terror tapes, the election, and their real intent

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Election Reform Donate to DU
 
hangloose Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 04:54 PM
Original message
Those curious terror tapes, the election, and their real intent
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 05:16 PM by hangloose
If we Patriots take our sweet time to prosecute a case against our home-grown fanatic through broad support of public sentiment as leverage to push an investigation, we will lose. Time is working against us. The NEO-CON's in this administration will have time and opportunity to plan an eclipsing event that moves the national dialog seeking “truth” and "justice" too another “staged” national emergency. With that said, I am afraid they may already be several steps ahead in their planning to preempt our efforts.

To Explain.

Karl Rove and his band of merry men are extremely savvy in the art manipulation. Is it not curious, that two (terrorist) video warnings were released just before 2 Nov? A constant reminder of the greater evil out there who will stop at nothing to destroy America. There were many theories bantered around concerning who was behind these videos. Two leading candidates put forth as the sponsors were, Islamic Fundamentalists or Karl Rove. I believe it was Karl Rove. But why Karl Rove? Common opinion put forth by both Islamic and Rove supporters was, to effect, the outcome of the election. I don’t believe this was the primary purpose.

To Explain:

If you believe the election was rigged, as I do, why bother in opening yourself up for skepticism and questions since an October surprise of some sort, was anticipated. How many Bloggers out there were spending time on this current event? Debating on another about theories, the purpose, the timing the message, etc…

In particular the OBL tape was brilliant, because it included criticism of GWB's handling of the 911 attacks (ala Michael Moore and the goat). This anti-Bush commentary would lead the average person to the conclusion that the tape was genuine (not Rove), otherwise why would the administration open its self up for criticism on of all things, Bush reading a story about a goat when the nation was under attack. That's the brilliant part, everything we heard on that tape was already out there as public dialog. Back to the question, why did the Bushies manufacture these public events?

The broadcasts were sponsored by elements of our government to provide a foreshadowing and backdrop, to future events, but only if needed.

To explain:

Any plan as bold and complex as stealing a national election isn't perfect, there will always be traces of the crime. The 2 Nov thief was no exception. And anticipating in advance that traces of their crime would surface, they devised a plan.

If the national noise rises to a level that may cause concern to Bush. A diversion will happen (foreshadowed by OBL, his side kick the Loan Ranger and their cohorts). I don’t find this far fetched since Bush & Co. have executed a similar plan, the 911 attacks, as a catalyst for the Iraq invasion. This case study is a similar deception but in reverse. The criminal elite will manufacture an catastrophic event to sway public opinion from questioning the validity of the election resulting in a rallying of the public around the flag and the president. Where is anyone’s guess?

We need to be bold an move ahead with the pursuit of the Fraud aggressively.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:08 PM
Response to Original message
1. Your points are valid and well said.
However, would add "cross" to, "... rallying of the public around the flag and the president."

I feel that the "event" forshadowed will be the final straw for the Religious agenda. They will jump on it, and as we can see, the King George will support it.

Within the context of a "red" lockdown and martial law, the situation becomes ripe for the Radical Right-wing Religious domination to rise up and exploit the travesty. They are poised, organized, and waiting.

A National crisis is yet another green light to that ominous revolution already in progress.

I do imagine that this all could be an intentional prelude to the looming resource crises,e.g., water and peak oil, for America and the rest of the World.

A shift towards Dark Ages rule could, theoretically, be a superior way to control the masses when their way of life rapidly arodes. Rule by Faith will be easier than rule by reason and fairness. You can get away with so much and simply burn the heritics. There may be a real method behind the madness.

What the response will be by those who oppose it, I cannot yet imagine. These are dark and troubling times.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hangloose Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. They are Theocratic Dominionist and extremely dangerous
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Magical Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:10 PM
Response to Original message
2. Yep
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 05:11 PM by Magical
Once you understand the map of the territory, you can predict what lies ahead on the trail. The mask is off.

Now, when these mongers and their surrogates on cable TV spew their vitriolic hatred and obfuscation, not only can you see thru the misdirection, but you can read what is really going on.

If you noticed last week, the US has ordered 75M doses of the new, 'improved' anthrax vaccine. The videos were the reminder that Bad Boy Bin Laden is still after us and it does not matter who was elected.

Following logically, expect an anthrax attack on San Fran, home of the 'immorality' with the intent of cementing the 'were all in this together' meme to support the foreign crusade for hydrocarbons. This has the added benefit of allowing the loyal base the, 'I told you God would get you' celebration.

Expect BioTerrorism. Then, we can say we were attacked with WMD and the gloves come off. Perhaps Iran will be blamed, or it may be the excuse to take out the Saudis.

Incredible times we live in, approaching the end of the oil age will necessitate a massive de-population if Homo Sapiens is to survive.

All I can say is tell everyone you love, each and every day, that you love them.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hangloose Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. I must agree why attack the faithful hit the agnostics you just might
convince them to convert!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 05:27 PM
Response to Original message
5. YES
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 05:28 PM by woody b
The situation is very dangerous. Fallujah may be another opportunity to raise the stakes on part of the rogue forces.

The vote fraud has to be exposed quickly. It should be a matter of days rather than weeks.





Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Locrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:31 PM
Response to Original message
6. yes! psy-ops
I've been shouting this. The voter fraud was INTENTIONAL. A crime perpertrated by people well skilled in psy-ops. They have about 20 moves to play if the voter story grows legs.

I belive that is why Kerry has gone to ground. BBV and everyone needs to be aware that they WILL diversion any mention of "fraud".

I believe that at some time the only way to get this out will be a MASSIVE coordinated march or demonstation. Im talking millions to shut down the country, probably at the same time as a "manufactured" (but very real) catastrophy designed to divert attention and allow unrestricted * rule.

The real gravity of this has not set in. We have a gov that (again) has taken power of the country ILLEGALLY. This time it's worse with the war.

A storm is comming...

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. I think the rogues have one problem

I'm sure they are well prepared to react on fraud allegations, but they didn't expect Kerry to get so many votes.

The sheer amount of anomalies puts them on the defensive.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. First step is to turn off the TV
the psyop is spreading the propaganda via the TV.

You know they are telling lies because their reasons for what happens change --

Reasons why the vote total doesn't agree with the exit poll -- how many excuses have been manufactured?

SUDDEN shift to bush because people had second thoughts. Oops it was due to morals -- suddenly every became more concerned about morals -- then about jobs, health care etc.

This is like the reasons for invading Iraq have been changed frequently. Lies and disinformation and cult think.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hangloose Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. I agree with your assessment. I failed to offer in my write up what
would be the best alternative to peel away the facade quickly and bet them to the punch. A as much as possible spontaneous demonstration would do the trick. But where in the capital, in a blue state or red state? and could we muster a million people, do you think there are that many truly committed patriots out there.

Do we know anyone who has the experience to organize such an event?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. When you want to organize large demonstrations
always go to the black ministers, the NAACP, the unions, the faithful... the black churches can get their people out almost immeidately....and en masse.

I dont think they'll do it for kerry or for any other reason than they are being disenfranchised once again, along with 50 percent of white america.

Dont forget, the repugnants targeted the blacks and minorities and tried to challenge their votes, their translators, even their being on
line to vote.

That's where you go.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Demonstrate against the media
I'd like to see a million outside CNN or the FOX studios, Hannity and Woodruff blocked on their way to work or stuck in the building.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:19 PM
Response to Original message
8. Support 911 Truth and Justice in NYC!
If American's knew the truth about PNAC and 9/11, they wouldn't just have voted Bush and Cheney out by a landslide, they want them publicly executed, like Bush always liked to do to people in Texas!

It is critical for the 9/11 cover-up to break down in New York, then it will break down everywhere and the neo-cons Regime will be shattered.

Read and support
http://www.ny911truth.org/
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:49 PM
Response to Original message
13. That's the reason I'm pushing black armbands (or ribbons, or what not)
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 11:55 PM by Oak2004
so strongly -- we need to do something to keep our base actively doing something, and then we need to move real fast to do more. Otherwise, the right wing propaganda machine will slowly lull everyone to sleep.

Ribbons and armbands are easy to do, and can be done without leadership, without a plan... hell, the black armband idea started spontaneously around the country, with absolutely no organization at all.

What concerns me is that a great many of us are waiting for persons who we think are working in secret to do whatever it is that they may be doing. Yet we have no real evidence that there really are persons working secretly towards any goal that we here would find acceptable. That doesn't mean its not going on. It may well be. But the passivity is squandering vast amounts of human energy at best, and at worst is putting us in a position to be frustrated yet again by our "leaders" (which will fuel mass cynical apathy, and ultimately lead to us getting squashed by the right.)

The situation is grave. Action now, even small action, is essential (though the bigger the better, I say).

What about organizing a national demonstration outside of our local elections offices? Or alternately, thinking bigger, a march on Ohio? We don't need our "leaders" to do it. And for the stay-at-homers, an organized letter campaign.

On the legal front, well, I think we have to put our trust (and money) in Bev Harris.

How about this: demonstrations in front of county buildings nationwide (yes, might not always be where the election board is based, but we need an easily identified location to announce) on Nov 12, with an invitation to anyone who can make it to instead go to the Ohio Statehouse? It will be a straight old-fashioned no frills protest, just like we used to see develop almost spontaneously during the Vietnam War, no speakers or other frills that would require a permit. If we can get nov3.us on board, and Air America, and otherwise use the progressive media, we'll have something we can do. It's just a baby step, but it beats doing nothing with all this collective energy.

Does this sound like anything anyone else would like to promote? Or am I off-base here?

Edited to shamelessly promote my new website, http://www.americanresistance.info, and to add that the first of what I hope to be many leaflets, this one about black armbands, can be found at http://americanresistance.info/leaflets/blackarmbands.pdf
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hangloose Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. I put in my order an hour ago, tried to order 3 but was only able
to checkout with one. That's OK I'll try again. Going to pass them out to friends that share the faith. We do need however to get in the streets, possibly protest in front of the major media outlets. Bring the word to them, you know they will cover a story that is focused on them.

Yeah that it! Lets not worry about the goverment lets take it to the media. Make them the sideshow to the real story.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LiberalUprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. You got one dot too many at the end
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 01:11 AM by srats2
of your web addy

Good looking site BTW, I'll look through it more tomorrow.

Ordered 10 pins!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:38 AM
Response to Original message
15. Do you guys remember after * stole the 2000 election, the papers
or some group was coming out with a report stating that Gore actually did receive most of the votes in Florida and then 9/11 happened? The group decided to scrap it because we were all so united behind *?

Well, we better be prepared if a their fraud is proven. Those evil crooks will wreck havoc on this country.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hangloose Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. So another strategy to try and avoid that possibility is to put it out
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 12:55 AM by hangloose
there, insinuate that a diversion may be attempted to shift the focus. Put a face on it for public consumption, if nothing else it may cause them to pause. The truth is the NEO-CON's are ruthless and so we need a defense against the ruthlessness. That is to call them out and make them play in the open. If we show any weakness or lack of determination to see this through, then were through.

I am not being dramatic when I say were playing with fire and people will be hurt. Patriots are not made of cardboard they are flesh and blood, selfless brave individuals who voluntarily place themselves in harms way.

Do you love you country? Do you love your freedom?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 05:37 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Election Reform Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC