Map comparison: 2004 vs. 1860.

Main difference is that Ohio, Indiana, and Iowa have joined the red areas where slavery once existed.

(Second map is a recolored version of http://www.learner.org/biographyofamerica/prog10/maps/index.html).

Now they seem to have a near majority.

I say give up and lets take our blue states to Canada. We simply will never agree.

the complete blame on the south -- slightly less than half in most of the southern states voted for Kerry, and in the blue states, slightly less than half voted for Bush there as well, so there are idiots in ALL of our states.

There were many Southerners (even a majority here in East Tennessee) that disapproved of slavery and favored the North. And I'm sure there were many Northerners who had no problem with slavery.

But you are exactly right: there are idiots everywhere, they are just a little more concentrated in the south and west (less the Pacific coast states). I, for one, would gladly trade places with a Northern idiot or two, however!

And welcome!:hi:

I Know These People And They Are Demented Beyond Salvation.

And what about places like Austin, the capital of Texas, who voted for Kerry/Edwards 56% and Bush/Cheney 44%? We deserve some credit in the middle of redville, eh?

GD, this map makes me :puke: and :mad: !!

those red state Repugs can be proud of </sarcasm>.

Thanks I will be sure to use this a lot with my repug friends.

we are strangely silent in political analyses, about racism and votes for the Repubs.
It is their BIGGEST strength.
They dont even have to advertise it, it is so potent a draw for them.

combat racist voting patterns,
with
--jobs for all
--guaranteed house values
--fact sheets on the fallacies of racism. Like "they's criminal types, its in their blood."

we currently are doing nothing about racist voting. not even strategizing, like i did above.
RAcism elected Reagan.. the backlash to integration of the sixties. That backlash continues, as powerful as ever.

How the South Finally Won the Civil War

http://www.thetemplebookstore.com/civil.html

On edit, I am told via internal mail that someone went to this link and found out the book was no longer available. That's a pity. But you can still read various reviews of what it's all about.

I read this book about 10 years ago. This author, Charles Potts, was prescient in his analysis.

Another good book I would recommend would be Albion's Seed by David Hackett Fischer (I'm sure it's on Amazon.com) which describes the four "folkways" of the U.S. Right now I would say the Scots-Irish and English Cavalier folkways are ascendant.

The New England Puritan and Pennsylvania Quaker folkways are down to 18 states and they have much more in common at this point with Canada than they do with the lower 31 states and Alaska. I don't see any way of putting this back together into one nation. It never really was a unified nation to begin with.

You cannot have a whole continent of people thinking the same way, even if they are homogeneous in race and culture, which we are certainly not. It is unhealthy to not allow the 31 lower states along with Alaska and the upper 17 states along with Hawaii form two separate political entities. Otherwise the "culture wars" will go on forever, to the detriment of solving actual and real problems having to do mostly with our dire economic and financial situation.

the thieves dont mind delivering racism, in order to get elected.

Many voters think, "i'll accept some ripoffs, if i can keep the ethnics out of my workplace and neighborhood". That is why our economic message fails.

RACISM fuels the ATROCITY the U.S. is committing in Iraq. The nation was built on STEALING STUFF from folks of a slightly or measurably darker hue. RACISM fuels your "moral values." It permeates the American subconscious. It's easily spun off into sexism, homophobia as the basis is THEM WHO AIN'T JES LIKE ME IS EVIL!

U.S. "culture" breeds racists from sea to polluted sea.

The difference with "Black Tuesday" is the white folks haven't yet grokked that unless their bottom line is is the $2.5 million rang, THEY TOO are TARGETS. Ohhhh... this is all SOOO not pretty. And DUMB.

Trying to group all republicans as racists is no different than those that group all democrats as communists.

Right.

Our local fishwrap had it on Thursday. A narrow strip on the extreme west coast and New York and northeast of New York. After that, just a scattering of blue dots representing cities and universities blus a streak of blue straddling the Mississippi River running from MN to LA.

144 years.

It's important to note that when it became a state in the early 1850s it forbade black people from living in its territory; this was the constitution still in effect in 1860:

Indiana's Constitution of 1851 from original enrolled copy effective November 1, 1851

Article 13 - Negroes and Mulattoes

Section 1. No negro or mulatto shall come into or settle in the State, after the adoption of this Constitution.

http://www.statelib.lib.in.us/www/ihb/resources/constarticle13.html