3.5M difference in the popular vote

I personally am hoping for a nationwide analysis.

This is the elephant in the room. If you cannot prove that 3.5M
votes were the result of a hack, yes we may have a serious problem,
but the results are going to be pretty much the same.

Please start releasing irregulatories nationwide, calculation errors nationwide as well as changes in the popular vote.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110604.html
This guy has some theories on how a massive nationwide voter fraud could happen.

Exit Polls

But the most perplexing fact is that exit polls into the evening of Nov. 2 showed Kerry rolling to a clear victory
nationally and carrying most of the battleground states, including Florida and Ohio, whose totals would have
ensured Kerry’s victory in the Electoral College.

Significantly, polls also showed Republicans carrying the bulk of the tight Senate races. However, when the
official results were tallied, the presidential exit polls proved wrong while the Senate polls proved right.

we arent going to care if he has 4 trillion popular votes. as they so stridently reminded us. popular votes do not elect the president.

btw

the fraud is pervasive, the fraud is monumental, the win was a landslide, flip it by perhaps 5-7 million votes. flip maybe a dozen states. flip senate races and house races. then you get a picture of the scope of the fraud.

of course fraud that large has to leave a trail.

If you were a registered Democrat and a stranger came up to you and asked who you voted for, would you admit you voted for the shrub???? That might account for the difference between the Senate races and the Presidential race.

Any thoughts?

embarrassed to admit they voted for him. Yet they showed up in amazing numbers. Do you want to buy a condo in Iraq I have for sale?

we did well here in Pa. and it was the canvassing that made the difference from where I sit.

The day before the Washington State Democratic caucus I recieved a recorded phone message from John Kerry.

On Nov 2 I recieved two recorded messages encouraging me to vote Republican. I did not recieve any from the Democrats.

Those who are angry with us for not jumping on the conspiracy band wagon should consider that the average independent voter is probably even more skeptical.

My understanding is that exit polling was accurate to within 1% from 1966 to 2000. Is this not true?

"Exit polls can be very unreliable" is a meme, implanted by the junta to support the stealing of America. Don't fall for it.

to show "morals" as being the hot topic in this election. Sheesh. ;) Either the exit polls are useful or they're not. Those talking heads aren't journalists, they're actors. Only actors could recite such blatantly utter nonsense without their heads exploding.

They don't all share the same water supply, so it's safe to say their water wasn't spike with Kool-Aid. ;)

I don't have a history of the accuracy of exit polls.

I don't think that can be explained away by "embarrassment" at all.


The issue is the popular vote, there is a 3% difference here.

Anyone with a history of exit poll accuracy, please post.

I cannot find anything, except the Venezuela election was proven fraudulent due to variations from exit polls.

A large number of voters did. Some for the convenience others because they did not trust the electronic machines.

I also posted a thread on his article on DU in the early morning hours.

He is using a complex explanation -- but if we consider that Diebolt and other computer voting machine companies are owned and operated by Christian Reconstructionists -- then this could be an inside job by this very right wing fundie group. Each "technician" representative on site could insert the computer code (which could do it's job and then erase itself) as part of technical adjustments to the computers. They could also write different variations on how the vote totals were manipulated to further confuse. Even if all discovered "oddities" are reported the variation in "errors" could be a disinformation which could fool some people into believing that this is just another ordinary computer goof.

I believe the one that they know overcredited Bush in Ohio was by another manufacturer.

I can assure you that if you google this -- you will find the links for yourself. You will remember better if you do this research yourself and it will convince you.

Or download Mike Malloy's program -- he can convince you -- but he also tells his listeners no to believe him or ANY talk show how -- he tells us to do our own research.

Key words -- Christian Reconstructionists

There are also Christian Domonationists (bush is the de-facto head of this).

try here to start:
http://ww.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/02/02/20/voting_machines.html
http://truthout.com/docs_02/020203G.voting.mach.htm
http://www.doublestandards.org/floyd4.html
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/InfiltratingTheUSMilitaryGenBoykinsWarriors.html

http://www.americanatheist.org/spr97/T2/pk2.html
http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisre1.html
http://www.tabletnewspaper.com/politics/73_tftgk.html

Don't know whether the other ones are credible or not since I've never heard of them before.

I'll check them out never the less.

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/02/20/voting_machines/index.html

Hacking democracy?
Computerized vote-counting machines are sweeping the country. But they can be hacked -- and right now there's no way to be sure they haven't been.

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By Farhad Manjoo

Feb. 20, 2003 | During the past five months, Bev Harris has e-mailed to news organizations a series of reports that detail alarming problems in the high-tech voting machinery currently sweeping its way through American democracy. But almost no one is paying attention.

Harris is a literary publicist and writer whose investigations into the secret world of voting equipment firms have led some to call her the Erin Brockovich of elections. Harris has discovered, for example, that Diebold, the company that supplied touch-screen voting machines to Georgia during the 2002 election, made its system's sensitive software files available on a public Internet site. She has reported on the certification process for machines coming onto the market -- revealing that the software code running the equipment is seldom thoroughly reviewed and can often be changed with mysteriously installed "patches" just prior to an election. And in perhaps her most eyebrow-raising coup, she found that Sen. Chuck Hagel, a Nebraska Republican, used to run the company that built most of the machines that count votes in his state -- and that he still owns a stake in the firm.

This is the most insidious aspect of the whole affair, to me. People need to WAKE UP to this being a very real possibility. It may sound like so much shrill conspiracy-theory talk, but that's what they want it to seem like...which is why they're being so careful about advancing the agenda QUIETLY and telling their flock it's all right to LIE in order to get it implemented.

They have a lot of people duped and if they don't realize it soon there's going to be a really nasty surprise.

I WILL NOT LIVE UNDER A THEOCRACY!

You might want to Google the owners of that company. very interesting reading indeed.

I did not know that the owners and operators of Diebold, ESS, and Sequoia were Christian Reconstructionists. I knew that the major players were arch rightwingers, but that is not to say they are Reconstructionists too. If they are, that is chilling. The people counting a third of the national vote hold to Theonomy (a strict radical interpretation of Old Testament Law is to be made our law)? The Reconstructionists are people who believe if you are not sufficiently "Christian" (by their definition), then you should be stoned to death (see Rushdoony if you doubt this extreme position) -- these are the same people presently counting our "democratic" vote? May God save us all!

What next, the Turner Diaries will be made real on the streets of America these next 4 years?

These truly are dark times...

You sound more pessimistic than I am. I do think there are trying times ahead however and that's why I'm a bit bothered by the infighting on this board. We're going to need eachothers help in the years ahead.

Kerry won the rest of the country by two million votes.

To prove a stolen election, with 3.5M vote spread,

you need to look at the entire country and find out how he got the popular vote.

I believe there is fraud going on, in mass...

but unless one finds 3.5M votes of fraud I'm saying that Bush won.

But, this still should be a top priority action item to expose
voter suppression, fraud and just the absurdity of demanding people
stand in line at polls in general.

Black box voting is horrific, but I think the Oregon system should
be adopted nationwide.

It's the most fair.

setting this the theme of the show. Part fundies , part fraud. I am sure they were syphoned from Kerry's votes all over the country. Or invented - like the famous 4000 votes in Franklin county (800 voters)

as saying their elections division is headed by a registered Texas Democrat. Anybody know this guy's name?

http://www.diebold.com/whatsnews/inthenews/executive.htm

It started on the Drudge site, for crying out loud, and when the fraud king strutted his stuff at the White House, it set the stage.

This is no different than the Iraq and 9/11 connection myth perpetrated by the boys in high places. Say it often enough, let the media be your echo chamber, and by the time the truth gets out, people won't believe it, even when you show them the tampering evidence that proves it.

Let the Repubs echo this "unreliable exit polls" talking point. I ain't buying it, and I ain't peddling it either.