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drunkdriver-in-chief Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:59 PM
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Kerry really is gonna challenge the election---!!!!
A poster at bartcop mentioned this theory. He said kerry is working behind the scenes to challenge the election and has said otherwise simply to avoid the goddam media circus and sore-loser talk that plagued gore in 2000.

I don't really believe his theory, but then again...
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:01 AM
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1. uh, maybe....we are hopin'
but are not gonna jump until the bandwagon is w/in 20'. Once we see Kerry IN THE BANDWAGON, we will try not to crush it (so many will jump on)
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:03 AM
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3. Uhh, maybe they should order a freight train instead of a bandwagon
Because if he comes back looking for help, it's gonna be frantic as folks run for the doors to get onboard.

C'mon K/E, we're ready to rumble!
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oddtext Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:25 AM
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12. KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . .
KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . KERRRR- Y . . . !!!!

oh yeah, it'd be the shit.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 08:00 AM
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32. Maybe Kerry will jump on OUR BANDWAGON and do something
Right now he's sticking his finger in the wind. So if we blow hard enough....
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:02 AM
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2. We've been saying this here for days
You need to read our posts more. ;)

We don't need another Florida 2000. We've got a month to challenge the votes. We need proof, first. That takes time.
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drunkdriver-in-chief Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:04 AM
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6. Sorry if this was an old idea
I've been following this board closely but i hadn't heard it.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:16 AM
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9. I'm just kidding
The theory's been here for a while, but the posts are so fast and furious, I can imagine it's gone by without everyone seeing it. I was just teasing you. No offense meant. :hi:

I like that the news has gone beyond DU and that it's convinced those who didn't hear it here, first. Make any sense?
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:16 AM
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10. Don't be sorry ...
it is good that the strategy concept is sinking in now! ;) Patience is virtue.
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:03 AM
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4. general_eberhart (145 posts)
Welcome to DU.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:04 AM
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5. Weinerbrain, don't play with my frazzled mind. Tone down misleading
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 12:05 AM by henslee
subject line if you have a heart.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:05 AM
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7. I feel like I'm in the eye of a hurricane.
Not much appears to be happening, yet......

The thing that I find odd is the complete lack of any Democrats commenting on the election. Every day that goes by makes it even more interesting....
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ever_green Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:10 AM
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19. I know, I'm a bit excited by it
If nothing happens I'll be very disappointed.
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WINEWOMAN7 Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:15 AM
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8. Kerry behind the scenes
I believe that Kerry knows exactly what is going on with the fraud in this election. He must remain behind the scenes and let the evidence play out. We have to be patient and let him do his job. I believe in John Kerry as a patriot and a hero. He is going to fight for us as he said he would. Hang tight and let him and his band of brothers do their job.

It's all going to turn out in the right way,

Dian
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:17 AM
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11. Exactly right.
:toast:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:26 AM
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13. I hope so! If we can pull this away from Bush, we save
the country
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:29 AM
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14. I'll be up late tonight. Thanks for posting this and giving me hope.
I sure do hope so!
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Bryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:30 AM
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15. Well, he COULD be
There's about as much evidence to support that theory as there is to support the theory that he's planning to use his authority as a Senator to issue Letters of Marque to mercenaries so they can seize US-based Saudi assets under the pretext that the House of Saud is funding terrorists, which would really get Bush by the soft and tenders (Come to think of it, that's not a bad plan. Fuck the election results, Kerry should try to pull that shit off).
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:41 AM
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16. Kerry
This might be a coincidence but I sent him an email today telling him how he duped his followers. Later the forum Common ground Common Sense regarding Kerry appeared in my email. I'm not sure if the two have anything to do with each other but I did find it strange. Thought it was strange....
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merkins Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:43 AM
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17. Permission to speak frankly General?
thank you sir,
you might want to replace the 4 exclamations with 4 question marks
that is all...
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:49 AM
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18. I've heard that, as well, as an explanation for why he conceded so soon
I sure wasn't expecting it, when he did, so I truly hope that you're right.:-)

Also, welcome to DU! It's great to have you with us!:toast:
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drunkdriver-in-chief Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:33 AM
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21. First time i had heard the explanation
I too had heard a lot of talk about kerry fighting behind the scenes to challenge the election, but couldn't see any benefit to saying the opposite. Then this poster mentioned that kerry doesn't want the media crawling up his azz and ruining everything like they did with gore and i thought - that makes sense.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 03:53 AM
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26. I have heard this, as well, and it makes sense
Kerry is a very intelligent and savvy guy. I thought it was odd that he would back down so fast, especially after having put everything he had into this campaign. I hesitate to tilt at windmills, but I am a liberal, so I'm entitled. All the votes have not been counted. And there is serious evidence of voter fraud, especially in Ohio and Florida, which has been challenged. Maybe I'm an idiot, but, as far as I'm concerned, this isn't over until the last vote is counted.:shrug:
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:28 AM
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20. Can you hit a target you can't see?
and do you know you hit when you did. I just would like to know what really happened, and just like many things, If I stick around on DU long enough I am sure to find out.


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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:37 AM
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22. Everyone think about this. What do the republicans do EVERY time
someone points a finger at them? They find a distraction. If Kerry were to question the election himself, the republicans would make KERRY THE DISTRACTION. The voter fraud would get no air time at all. All we'd hear is that 'Kerry is trying to steal the election.' The White House controlled media would make sure of that. The only way this is going to get on the air and into print is if Kerry stays out of it. The repukes are going to be hit from many different directions and they can't create THAT many distractions. Besides, KERRY is the BIG NAME here. If we get a bunch of people from all over America doing their work to prove voter fraud, the repukes aren't going to have ONE big name to attack. They won't be able to control ALL of the media. People WILL start talking about this. They WILL start writing about this. It will hit mainstream. As long as the truth and facts are on our side, the repukes are NOT going to be able to make this one go away.

:evilgrin:


And everybody say YEAH! This is my 1,000 post! :bounce:
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:43 AM
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23. YEAH!
I'm wondering if Kerry is fighting behind the scenes or not.

Anyone hear about where he is/what he's doing right now?
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:43 AM
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24. yea-yus! Plus, with Kerry sating out of the spotlight, * can strut around
and puff up his chest and say again and again - "The Murican People stand behind me."
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 07:49 AM
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30. We need ALL the sentient beings to be working diligently
"in the background" for the next few weeks. As you review the election results from the bottom up and come across data of interest, my recommendation is that you send it to Bev Harris, or the Kerry campaign. Posting it here in these open forums is a mistake ...There are more freepers here than at Freeperville these days. You don't want to be aiding and abetting the dark side do you? If you need 2nd opinions of your findings from fellow DU'rs ...PM your pals on DU.

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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:21 AM
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25. I really..want to believe..
thanks for the hope....
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 09:18 AM
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35. I like your black ribbon alexisfree
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 06:38 AM
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27. I'll believe it when I see it.
I would love for this to be true--so much in fact that I am refusing to put any hope in it for fear of being crushed again.

It strikes me that this is a myth, sort of like King Arthur not dying in battle but being carried away by the Lady of the Lake to rise again when Britain needs him most.

I would love to see the Democrats do this. I would love to see the Democrats grow a backbone but let's face it, we're talking about the Democrats here.

If Kerry does rise up from the Lake swinging his sword I'll be right there with him. Until then I'll wait and see.
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Trahurn Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 07:13 AM
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28. I'll Beleive that when I see it
Didn't he already concede? Doesn't that mean he has given away his right to challange the elections outcome by not taking advatabe of lawful challanges to the election. I certainly do not understand this and wish someone would explain it to me.
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Demaholic Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 07:33 AM
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29. He needs to...

challenge.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 07:51 AM
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31. From the reality based community - if interested:
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 08:00 AM by robbedvoter
"Kerry forces planned for a
battle that never was" (by Patrick Healy, Boston Globe, Thursday Nov.
4, The Nation section, p. A340.)
It was Cahill who
shared the (not good) news..to the nominee who was working off of five
hours of sleep...And while a team of lawyers pressed to go to court on
Ohio at 8 am to challenge the state's vote-counting procedures, Cahill
said, KERRY DID NOT SEE THE POINT.

'He immediately just decided that in order to go forward in a time of
war, an election lawsuit was not something that he wanted to put the
country through' Cahill said."

Mike Papantonio - lawyer on the campaign was on Ring on Fire (Air America) with Reno (black comedienne).(he usually co-hosts with Bobby Kennedy) She asked him why was he turned around from the tarmac - en route for Ohio - election night. After repeated questioning, he admitted that "certain elements in the party thought it would make us look like cry babies"
he proceeded to tell her "get over it" about 10 times to which I am happy to say she yelled: "No way I am"



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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 08:51 AM
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33. I'd wondered if maybe the evidence would have vanished...
...had Kerry not conceded early on.

Seems to me, the last thing any savvy law enforcement agency would do would be to publicly state they are going to raid at _______ address in the near future. Had Kerry not conceded, and in fact stated he was filing suit, it would have had the same result. Every computer file that had been altered and every ballot that had been messed with would all have vanished due to some error or another.

A lot WILL vanish--don't think they won't--but if the "fixers" think they pulled it off they'll get lazy and not clean up as well.

Additionally, I think that Kerry is smart enough to know that even if this election is revealed to have been chock full of fraud, the nation is so divided WHOEVER ends up winning is gonna have a hell of a time uniting the nation. If the ultimate winner is the one who cries "fraud" it will make uniting the nation THAT much harder.

In a situation like that one, it just makes sense to me that maybe it is time to let the bloggers and the folks not associated with Kerry directly be the ones to cry foul. I've seen that same kind of "back channel" stuff used before in campaigning when the candidate doesn't want to be the one to take dirt public. They may be using that same technique on a really large scale.

I have no way to confirm if I'm anywhere close to reality here--but I really DO think there is a strategy at work here.


Laura
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 09:17 AM
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34. as others on the list have pointed out
we need to be careful when crying foul.
I do not know what to think at the moment---I feel like be want to be tugged into believing Kerry is in the backgroud "doing something"--but my gut says no. Time will tell.
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