"I think we threw out a ton (of ballots)"

Broward County won't send a final, certified vote to the state until next Friday, when military and overseas absentee ballots are tallied, but the rest of the counting is finally done.....

If the voter should have been allowed to vote, the provisional ballot counts. If not, it is thrown out. The office did not track the total number of provisional ballots received or the total number that were rejected, said Gisela Salas, Broward Deputy Supervisor of Elections.

They will know the total count of rejected ballots when they send letters to all those who cast them, Salas said.

''I think we threw out a ton,'' said Broward County Mayor Ilene Lieberman, who served on the three-member canvassing board.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/10112736.htm

and we'll never know who those votes were for...

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this is the second time i've seen this story here, and i am just amazed that an election official would say that...amazed.

all of this evidence of fraud and voter suppression, we need to do something truly revolutionary.

Does NOT say they can be thrown out.

It says that if it is determined the ballot has been rejected it shall remain in the envelope containing the Provisional Ballot Voter's Certificate and Affirmation and the envelope shall be marked "Rejected as Illegal".

Statute 101.048

Here's a link--go to page 17

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/laws/03laws/ch_2003-415...

Here is a link to a posting by the ACLU of Florida mentioning the statute and the need to train workers about it:

http://www.aclufl.org/news_events/index.cfm?action=viewRelease&emailAlertID=153

Provisional balloting:

We urge you to instruct all poll workers to give a voter marked as ineligible a provisional ballot only if the poll worker has determined with certainty that the person is in fact in his or her correct precinct.
We urge you to instruct poll workers to refrain from giving an individual who is not in his or her correct precinct a provisional ballot and to instead direct the voter to his or her proper polling place.
These instructions to poll workers should not only be included in any written poll worker training materials, but should also be emphasized repeatedly in poll worker trainings.

The above step is necessary in order to protect the right to vote for otherwise eligible voters in light of Florida law, which states, “If it is determined that the person voting the provisional ballot was not registered or entitled to vote at the precinct where the person cast a vote in the election, the provisional ballot shall not be counted and the ballot shall remain in the envelope containing the Provisional Ballot Voter's Certificate and Affirmation and the envelope shall be marked ‘Rejected as Illegal’.” (Florida Statute 101.048).

The rejection as illegal of all of portions of provisional ballots (including races for which anyone in any precinct would have been qualified to vote, such as President, U.S. Senate or statewide ballot questions) cast in the wrong precinct negates one of the primary scenarios – a voter who is in the wrong precinct and cannot be directed to the correct one – that the provisional ballot was intended to correct. Worse, without proper training to instruct poll workers to direct people to their proper precinct, the provisional balloting process threatens to mislead voters into thinking that they are participating in American democracy by casting a ballot when in fact they are actually being disfranchised.


Also, here is the Supreme Court of Florida ruling dated October 18, 2004 in a case the AFLCIO brought against Glenda Hood, concerning provisional ballots, which also mentions the statute:

http://www.flcourts.org/sct/sctdocs/ops/sc04-1921.pdf

...I'd like to archive it, but I can't access the story.

Either that, or, can someone post that "bugemot" link again so that those who can't read it can download that software?

Thanks much guys! (and thanks Plastic Turkey)

Thank you much! :thumbsup:

And people are afraid of the 8 million UNBRAGGED ABOUT new voters for W?

you have a link, cite, for that stat???

above

I'm still looking for the original link. Odd that it suddenly won't work, don't you think?

Okay here it is: Go to page 17

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/laws/03laws/ch_2003-415.pdf

I would guess 99% of them. One of the BIGGEST edges that repubes have over us, is that they do not just court their prospective voters a month or two before an election. They do it 24/7/365 x forever.

It's a sad thing that so many republicans are in charge (either by appointment/election/or subterfuge) of the mechanics of voting. They are often the ones who design ballots, print ballots, count ballots, register voters, and maintain the after-vote records.

Even in democratic areas, there are often "former independents-turned 'dems'..(theresa la pore ring a bell?..) pretending to be on the side of "the people", but the chaotic elections do not bear them out. Of course the other side always screams.. "Well the DEMOCRATS are in charge of xxx or yyy country...THEY screwed it up". The may be some truth to that if the jobs are being held by incompetents, but a clever way to magnify the problem is to have a bunch of DINOs running things, and then just a throwing up of hands afterwards..and a critique of the "ignorant voters"..

We need a national campaign from the DNC..sort of a "It STOPS NOW" or5 "NEVER AGAIN" campaign.. It should educate voters and prospective voters.. It needs to be a grassroots campaign that explains everything that HAS to be done to insure that a vote counts. What we need are votes that are UN-CHALLENGEABLE and voters who are so well-prepared to vote, that they cannot be disuaded. They can only do those two things, if they are well prepared and confident.

We have 2 years to get our act together, and explain to them that the mid term election is now more inportnat than ever. If Georgie boy gets a few more senate seats, he will be DEADLY in the last 2 years of our sentence.

LePore was a republican, turned dem to run for supervisor, while supervisor she designed the butterfly ballot. After the 2000 election, she turned independent. I guess she thought turning republican again would be too transparent.

of absentee ballots twice.
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Mr. Blackwell had punch card machines in Cuahoga county of OH (very democratic). Everybody knows punch card machines eat votes due to high spoilage rate . Franklin county (also democratic) had old style electronic voting machines without receipts. One of those babies gave Bush almost 4,000 extra votes, how do we know what others did? We know we had to win either OH or Florida, and Florida looked bleak because of brother Jeb.
Now, why did we think he had a chance to win this election?

because you have no way to know how much you are really off, you just know you're off.