that's it, DAILY REMINDER: IT'S NOT VOTER FRAUD, IT'S ELECTION FRAUD

New Earth

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Sat Jan-29-05 01:41 PM
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that's it, DAILY REMINDER: IT'S NOT VOTER FRAUD, IT'S ELECTION FRAUD

Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 01:42 PM by Faye

if i have to remind everyone here daily i will do it. sorry, just saw another even old timer DU'er saying "voter fraud" as the general term.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=306090&mesg_id=306090

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=306119&mesg_id=306119

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yurbud

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Sat Jan-29-05 01:44 PM
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1. explain the nuance

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New Earth

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Sat Jan-29-05 01:45 PM
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2. please read the threads linked.

Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 01:46 PM by Faye

if i have to type a whole fucking report on this i will.

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Cherie59

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Sat Jan-29-05 01:46 PM
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3. excellent point

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Andy_Stephenson

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Sat Jan-29-05 01:46 PM
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4. There was fraud...

Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 01:47 PM by Andy_Stephenson

but the voter's did not commit it.

ergo it is not voter fraud.

Thanks Faye...this is an important nuance. Everyone pay attention!

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New Earth

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Sat Jan-29-05 01:47 PM
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5. THANK YOU!!!

Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 01:48 PM by Faye

edit: i need to start being nicer.

i was going to say: everyone get it through your thick fuckign skulls!

then i realized i wasn't being very nice. :o

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demodonkey

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Sat Jan-29-05 01:51 PM
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6. Faye, you are so right! And we don't need "voter reform" either...

The poor voters aren't the ones that need the reforming!

We need "Election Reform" or "Electoral Reform".

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Andy_Stephenson

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Sat Jan-29-05 01:53 PM
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7. And we also need a voter verified

paper ballot.

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New Earth

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Sat Jan-29-05 01:54 PM
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8. see, that's what's going on

they keep referring to VOTERS, when as a whole, WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG! ALL WE TRY TO DO IS CAST OUR FREAKING VOTES!

and the Republicans, mainly, keep saying VOTER VOTER VOTER.

It's not US. It's THEM. And they know it, and they are using a reverse psychology kind of maneuver to confused people who aren't up to date on the issue. It makes me sick.

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mairceridwen

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Sat Jan-29-05 02:10 PM
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10. actually...

Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 02:11 PM by mairceridwen

I'd say there were lots and lots of voters that did something wrong.

but that's just me.

thanks for the information.

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New Earth

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Sat Jan-29-05 03:04 PM
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12. you sure are right

lots of voters did do something wrong. they voted for Bush. :D

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mairceridwen

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Sat Jan-29-05 02:09 PM
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9. i'd like some voters to reform

just sayin'...

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New Earth

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Sat Jan-29-05 03:06 PM
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13. i'd like some voters to reform too

Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 03:07 PM by Faye

get them to stop voting for criminal liars/idiots

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Helga Scow Stern

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Sat Jan-29-05 02:12 PM
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11. To top it off,

when I first found DU and BBV.com, I ordered a "black ribbon" magnet for my car, from a guy advertising on BBV.com, I think. What do you think it says?

"Stop Voter Fraud!"

I keep it on my refrigerator and explain to everyone who sees it how it is WRONG to call it that.

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prairierose

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Sat Jan-29-05 04:10 PM
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14. Thanks for doing this Faye, I can't understand why...

people don't seem to understand the difference let alone the importance of the difference.

Words have power.

The RW would like you to continue to use "voter fraud" because that implies that the fraud was accomplished by the voters. This allows for them to point out the few instances of dirty tricks etc perpetrated by midguided dems and equate those with the larger fraud accomplished with blackboxes.

"Election fraud" correctly implies that the fraud was accomplished by entities other than individual voters.

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fasttense

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Sat Jan-29-05 04:19 PM
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15. Sorry, Sorry, Sorry.

I just forget sometimes, and sometimes I think that well some voters did commit fraud. But you are right it is election fraud and I tend to forget.

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New Earth

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Sat Jan-29-05 04:21 PM
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16. i'm not saying there is NEVER voter fraud

Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 04:21 PM by Faye

but the GENERAL term is ELECTION FRAUD. I mean, when you are referring the fraud altogether, it is election fraud.

i'm not going to let people forget. if i have to post a daily reminder i will do it till we get it right. i don't know about you but i'm not falling for the Rovian tactics :crazy:

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yurbud

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Sat Jan-29-05 04:48 PM
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17. good point...convince elected Dems to frame this way

it will be an uphill battle, but they are still sticking with "irregularities" and "hackable" machines. The machines aren't hacked. The work the way they are designed to, to manipulate the totals.

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New Earth

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Sat Jan-29-05 05:08 PM
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18. more

Why am I going out of my mind trying to get this across to people? I need to break it down so more will understand.

Voter fraud, vote fraud, voter intimidation, voter suppression, registration fraud, inadequate amount of voting machines or equipment, recount fraud, recount tampering, vote rigging, etc., etc., etc.

These are all individual isses that fall under the BROAD GENERAL TERM, ELECTION FRAUD.

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