Why Kerry almost won.

First of all, nobody had a chance to beat Bush last year.

The reason Kerry almost won is not because he was the best candidate to run against Bush out of the choices that were presented in the primaries. I think Kerry lost because he's better than most Americans. He's smarter, kinder and with better morals than the majority of Americans.

Unfortunately, the people voted for the guy with the biggest mouth and the slowest talker, which they were going to do anyway - since the country is at war (a war he lied to get you into, but that doesn't matter? He's a guy you can have a beer with. (I'm reminded of Bill Maher who said he wouldn't have a beer with Bush, because he never made the habit of drinking with alcoholics.))

The reason Kerry ALMOST won is because Dean ran interference. I just used a metaphore with a sport I know absolutely nothing about, so let me just make this clear.

Dean was the punchingbag. Every conservative blogger took potshots at him, the pundits gleefully delivered one tasteless soundbite after another, sources at the White House mockingly said they were already celebrating their victory, and even the other candidates hammered him from dawn to dusk.

But then suddenly, not really at the last moment - but late - Kerry took over. Almost unblemished from a long primary run, he was the fresh horse out of the gate, as if all the other horses had been running all night and were pooped.

Ofcourse, they had plenty of time to turn the AWOL-chimp into a great commander, and the silver star-wearing war-hero into a traitor and a pussy, but that's to be expected. At least it should have been.

The reason I write this is because I am seeing people with banners, saying "Barbara Boxer for president 2008", and Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama and Howard Dean etc. etc.

Stop it.

In fact, if you're going to have a chance of winning this, I suggest you have one great candidate who is very popular but is never going to win, and then - one week before the election, fake his/hers death and move him to Canada. Then, buzz in the replacement, the person that can really beat Bush (it's going to be one Bush or another, trust me), and hope for the best.

Ok, it might be a bit too Hollywood'ish, but like I said, you gotta give people what they want. Last year they wanted a drama-queen, in 2008, let's give them a drama.

NGU.

-- "ALMOST"????? :grr:

:)

NGU.

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I didn't know anyone was looking, I was so indignant! :grr:

Bush didn't beat KErry. If you think so then you need to get your facts in order.

"Unfortunately, the people voted for the guy with the biggest mouth and the slowest talker...He's a guy you can have a beer with."

Thats not why Bush won...It's because the lazy, ignorant, hypocritical people of this country dont care enough to have a legitimate president. They just want to be left to live there own lies. And if that means turning theirs cheeks when it matters most then so be it. I pity this country and most of its inhabitants.

No other reason is possible. The rest is "spin". Stick with facts.

exposed throughout the country. We won in 2000 and again in 2004. It's not our message thats the problem. It is a combination of corporate sponsored interest groups (ie diebold ,ess, etc who control the final tallies) , political enablers (crooked sos's like Kenneth Blackwell, etc, kkkarl rove) and corporate sponsored media who control the information.

Please inform yourself on this topic. We need to get the word out about this fradulent election! I heard a statistic that said 37% of population thinks something was wrong with the final results. Let's push ahead and educate the uninformed.

or did win, if you happen to believe that the election was cooked (as I do), because Bush ran as the weakest incumbent since Herbert Hoover. He turned a massive budget surplus into a massive deficit; he did nothing to prevent the bloodiest foreign attack ever on American soil; he lied to Congress (an impeachable offense) and the American people and sent US troops to invade a sovereign nation in violation of international law; he and the geniuses at the DOD serially screwed the occupation pooch, exposing US troops and Iraqi civilians to a ferocious insurgency for which they had not planned. And so on. The record of idiocy and incompetence goes on and on and on: Medicare (also impeachable), the environment, judicial appointments--you name it, Bush has made a mess of it. And we're not even talking about his dubious legitimacy as President. Kerry almost won, or won in every way except the one that matters (he's not sitting in the White House this morning, alas) because he was, in fact, a weak candidate and an easy target for Rove and the boys.

BTW, pulling a candidate at the last minute so you can substitute a new one is among the goofiest ideas I've ever heard.

he is TRYING to destroy the new deal, so his policies only look foolish if you believe that bush wants to maintain these programs... he doesn't! Like Social Security... his plan is lousy for improving SS, but its great if you want to abolish SS and have the money go to wall st.! and if you read the PNAC (here it is... if you haven't http://www.newamericancentury.org/ ) you can see that the international policy, and the administrations pre-911 actions are not mistakes, they are part of a plan to alter America and the world. Rise above all their lies and propaganda and call them for what they are!

--if you're a Radical Right nutjob. But what's hilarious/tragic is that Bush's execution of those policies has been an unmitigated clusterfuck in its own right. Even if the neocon agenda was brimming with good ideas--which it ain't--Bush would've made a hash of it.

...and we allow the satan to get away with it when we underestimate him. You obviously read your Sun Tsu, Griff.

NGU.

bush was inaugurated because he STOLE the election. Please be accurate.. its not a theory, its a fact we are trying hard to get out! and if he was the best, he'd be in the WH. Don't get me wrong.. I liked Kerry and worked hard on the campaign, but he didnt think far enough out of the box to counter the fraud. After 2000 and 2002 he did expect fraud, he just got robbed... like all of us!

beat them at there own game,thats why they had to get into those machines after 8pm and steal more votes that they had anticipated,they also had to steal a few on the ground , so they called a "terra"alert.

so did Gore.



You are kidding...right. If we want to win, we must reform the election process. In order to do that, we must organize at the local level.

Short of that, we could run Gandhi and we would still lose.

he won.

latest calculations indicate it was a landslide.

Sports contests are easy to speculate about. Everybody can see with their own eyes what's going on. And so Monday morning quarterbacking has a point to it, in sports. But when you have a secret voting system, where MOST people cannot see what's going on....with NO auditing, and when you have a mass media that keeps a lot of information in the dark and metes out only what THEY think people need to know...then everything is just speculation.
Sorry --but the sports analogies don't work anymore, Praxiz. Not that simple. :silly:
"ya gotta give people what they want"--you mean, like a voting system that WORKS for a change?

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landslide. Michael Moore is right, it takes a super star.

by his own party. Read up on it at the Center for Public Integrity, "A Political Mugging in America".

Dean WANTED to be President. He doesn't "run interference" or carry water for ANYONE. That's not his style. You haven't got a clue who he is.

And don't forget the fun everyone had with the "Dean scream." It didn't seem to matter that the only live mic was his, and you couldn't hear the crowd shouting out those state names to him and Dean delightedly shouting them back.
The interaction was captured on an amateur tape which surfaced soon after, but it was too much "fun" for news organizations to cover it the other -- misleading -- way; similar to the enthusiasm with which Karen Tumulty's colleagues embraced her distorted rendition of the Al Gore "Love Story" yarn (she'd distorted, she later said, it to make it more "piquant").