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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:22 PM
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MoveOn STILL doesn't get that GOTV won't work if there's election fraud...
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 12:24 PM by Amaryllis
Just got this email from MoveOn (below). I know the topic of them not getting election fraud has come up a number of times. Even if they just created a page with links to educate those who don't know what happened, such as the solarbus website, Chuck Herrin, etc. Imagine how powerful it would be if they got their entire membership behind seeing that every official even remotely connected with elections had a copy of Myth Breakers (one of our most effective fraud fighters) in their hands?

(Myth Breakers:
Facts About Electronic Elections
Essential Information
for Those Entrusted with Making Decisions
about Election Systems in the United States
http://www.votersunite.org/
http://www.votersunite.org/MB2.pdf )

Anyone have access to anyone who can talk to them? They have got to start dealing with their members in a more interactive way if they are to engage a large percentage of the progressive community. We have already had the discussion on DU about how using their feedback form to communicate with them gets no response.


Dear Leave No Voter Behind volunteer,
This past fall, we made history together. Now it's time to do it again.

Leave No Voter Behind didn't get John Kerry elected. But it did have a groundbreaking political impact in communities across the country. We brought many people into politics for the first time, and turned out half a million extra voters for Kerry in key areas – in three states, more than the margin Kerry won by. We've spent the last few months sifting through the data, talking to many of you, reading your comments, and sitting down with other grassroots groups to figure out how to take what we've learned and use it to turn the tide against the Republican leadership.

This Thursday, we're launching the result: our new neighborhood-based campaign to beat the Bush agenda and elect progressives. Will you host a party so that MoveOn members in Portland can meet up and make a local plan to win?

http://action.moveonpac.org/houseparties/newmeeting.html

It's a huge step forward from Leave No Voter Behind: same grassroots emphasis, with a new focus on spreading progressive messages on key issues -- not to mention fewer computer bugs and better communication. And this time, instead of limiting our on-the-ground work to swing states, we'll have something important for everyone to do in their own communities.

For the next six to nine months, we'll do general neighborhood outreach on critical issues like Social Security privatization. As 2006 approaches, we'll finish drafting a progressive agenda and begin targeted voter contacts in support of progressive candidates, using a much improved version of the Web Action Center. We'll rely heavily on volunteer leadership and online communication, but as we get closer to the elections, we'll hire staff organizers for more and more key districts.

It's a plan based on everything we learned together during Leave No Voter Behind. Here are some key lessons:

With teamwork, we can move mountains. In less than 6 weeks, we logged over 6 million door knocks and phone calls to potential Kerry voters. We heard again and again that one key to our success was the mutual support, accountability and just plain fun of working with other MoveOn members. So we're inviting you to form action teams in every town across the country.

Getting out the vote is not enough -- we also need to persuade people we're right. We turned out tons of voters, but in the end, key groups of married women, Latinos, and seniors shifted toward Bush in unprecedented ways. Winning a progressive majority in Congress will take more than voter turnout -- we need to show millions of people how Republican leaders consistently favor corporations over ordinary Americans. We'll do that by fighting Republicans on critical issues that make their priorities clear: right-wing judicial nominations, Social Security, the war in Iraq, electoral reform, and more. On all these issues we'll counter Republican propaganda with grassroots action -- petition signatures, protests, news conferences, letters to the editor, yard signs and leaflets, and more.

Start early! Precinct leaders who started on October 10th talked to three times as many people as folks who started the week before the election. Imagine what we can accomplish if we build teams now to work on issues, and then begin targeted voter contacts a year before the election!

Neighborhoods, neighborhoods, neighborhoods. LNVB leaders say that one of the most important things we did was build community -- engage with people in the neighborhood whom we'd never met and plug them into politics. So we've made that kind of local outreach the core of our strategy.

People who come to house parties are much more likely to get involved. Folks who attended a house party and met up with other MoveOn members were over 5 times more likely to become a Leave No Voter Behind leader. So we know that the best way to launch this new network is with a party. Will you host in Portland and bring more local MoveOn members into the fold?

http://action.moveonpac.org/houseparties/newmeeting.html

Leave No Voter Behind was not without flaws. But together, we set a new standard for what inspired volunteers can accomplish with a little help from technology and a few paid organizers. And this time around, we are starting early enough to do it even better.

It won't be easy to turn the tide against the Bush administration's plans, with their corporate allies spending hundreds of millions of dollars to back them. But we've watched MoveOn members move mountains. Last fall, you showed us you know how to lead. Now we're asking you to lead again.

Thank you for all that you do,

--Adam, Justin, Matt, and the MoveOn PAC team
Friday, March 4th, 2005

P.S. We're still finishing up our anlaysis of what we did in Leave No Voter Behind, to measure our exact impact and figure out what worked best. We'll share more complete results with you in the next few months.

PAID FOR BY MOVEON PAC www.moveonpac.org
Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:26 PM
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1. EXACTLY. we GOT OUT the vote and we got screwed even bigger.
no fight no win.
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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:40 PM
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2. So True
They don't get it
Ive tried to sign up on their local organizing site, and it doesn't go thru
Its all about them raising money
they DO NOT understand organizing on the local level
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:23 PM
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7. I signed up.
I mean, I am hosting a house party for this on March 10. I figure the more people we get involved on a local level the better, through any means.

Maybe you could come and talk to people in Ojai, or have one of your own in Ventura?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 07:09 AM
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17. It flat out doesn't matter how many get out to vote --obviously
it only matters who is doing the counting. This goes over the heads of just too many.

Kerry could have been ahead by 20 million votes and Rove would have have had the the election rigged.

How pathetic that such an important event and it's not made a grace-holiday to simply ensure people don't have to fear losing their jobs or taking care of loved ones in order to cast a vote.

They didn't it in 2000 and to think they pulled it off again in 04. -- This is a dangerous time for Ameica because of the people pulling Bush's strings.

Bush's war in Iraq isn't going so well so he falls back on SS. issues, American Media isn't reporting US. troops deaths, but every night PBS keeps showing at least 7 to 18 "more soldiers killed in Iraq?--- Not according to the "news" --- it just makes me sick as an American!
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CanOfWhoopAss Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:41 PM
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3. Part of defeating election fraud is GOTV
You can't ignore one leak while plugging some others. You have to continue to fight on all fronts.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:03 PM
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4. Agreed, but if you don't work on the fraud, GOTV will fail again. MoveOn
could be a powerful force for fighting against fraud, but they just don't seem to get it.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:17 PM
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6. We should talk
re moveon...seriously.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:26 PM
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8. Talk to me, Andy!
I have hosted several events with them...and I would like to know what's going on.

All I care about is using them as a way to connect me with others in my hood who care about what is happening.

At this point, I'll use anything I can to get people mobilized.

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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 07:35 PM
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13. Andy, I am always glad when I see you post...think about you a lot, wonder
how you are doing. What specifically should we talk seriously about regarding MoveOn?
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. You can get every
one in the country to vote for our candidate, and it won't matter in if the other side counts the votes.
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CanOfWhoopAss Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:45 PM
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15. Very true but...
All some people will do is register and only 1/2 of them will vote. You have to take that handful as you recruit those who will go even further and help on the fraud front.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:32 PM
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9. Amaryllis...
This is exactly why I wanted you and others to write to Hannah-Beth Jackson.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x336599#337884

She is all about creating a California version of MoveOn, which is a great idea, if they will face the truth.

They just don't get it! They can Lakoff until they are blue in the face, but if they don't confront the Republican secret weapon, they will lose. Then what? They will be more depressed than ever.

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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 07:34 PM
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12. I will write her this weekend, Ojai.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 07:40 PM
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14. Lakoff till they are blue in the face...love it! I teach creative writing
and we call that "verbing a noun."
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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 06:00 PM
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16. I keep getting rejected at her E-Mail address
It would be great if we could have the MoveOn call at a real meeting place but you need DSL
Their 1st Movie was shown at Franky's in Ventura and close to 100 people showed up

They have a good brand name to attract people
It would be a great way to get people together
Maybe if I asked Devin , the DFA leader for Ventura, if they wanted to host it, but I do not think that there is DSL at their meet site
Too Bad
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:42 PM
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10. Where is the Moveon election fraud/reform education page?
"Even if they just created a page with links to educate those who don't know what happened..."

Do you have a link to this page? I couldn't find it. I would like to see what they find important, etc. (They are still referring to paper "receipts" here.:eyes:)
http://www.moveonpac.org/repairthevote/

Contact info: Do you already have this avenue?
http://www.moveonpac.org/feedback/fb/index.html?entity=pac
(From one of the links there: "We get a lot feedback, so please don't expect a personal reply. But all mail is read." So I doubt this will give you what you want.)
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 07:29 PM
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11. Disregard please..
I read: "Even if they just created a page with links to educate..." and the "Even if" part didn't sink in (I had just woken up:crazy:).
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:34 AM
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18. Moveon failed the voters
Edited on Sun Mar-06-05 10:35 AM by WillYourVoteBCounted
Personally, I can say that Moveon was begged, pleaded, and lobbied by it's own members last year to get behind the VVPB movement.

You can see by Moveon's actions over the past years that election integrity was hardly a priority.

Moveon has about 3 million members that it can activate in a single email request to them. With the snap of a finger, they can fling 3 million email arrows at once!

I met people early last year that did not know about the risks of paperless voting. They said they figured that Moveon would have told them about it.

Meanwhile, Moveon spent alot of time trying to get it's 3 million members to lobby the republican congress to censure our republican president.

Talk about a monumental waste of time, and priorities out of whack.

Who in their right minds thinks that republicans are going to censure their hero at the request of a liberal organization.

Oh well, at least Moveon gets lots of donations from it's members.

Don't count on Moveon to really care about election reform, it hasn't happened yet.

Put your time and $ in organizations that really do care, and aren't wasting folks time with trivial pursuits. Voters Unite, Verified Voting, True Majority, and there are more, please other DUers post the ones that actually do something. But the fact that Moveon never wholeheartedly pursued this issue tells me a lot about them.

If your vote doesn't count, you can't change much of anything.
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