Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Voting glitches haunt statistician

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Election Reform Donate to DU
 
buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:13 PM
Original message
Voting glitches haunt statistician
Here's a great article about a hero and patriot in Madison fighting the fight. I wouldn't be surprised if Joiner posts here on DU.


by Rob Zaleski
Brian Joiner wishes he could "just get over it."

He wishes he could ignore the thousands of reported voting irregularities that occurred in the Nov. 2 election, accept the fact that George W. is going to be around another four years and just hope that we haven't created even more enemies or fallen even deeper into debt by the time 2008 rolls around.

"I'm sure the Republicans would like me to forget all that stuff, just like they wanted everyone to forget all the strange things that happened in the 2000 election," the retired 67-year-old UW-Madison statistics professor said this week.

Well, sorry guys, but he can't.


http://www.madison.com/tct/news/index.php?ntid=30826&ntpid=1
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:29 PM
Response to Original message
1. excellent article
another respected academic concerned about e-voting and not afraid to say something about it.
???? Don't you HOPE we could achieve this by 2006:

(excerpt)
"O'Dell says US Count Votes wants to develop "a single database of nation-wide precinct-level election results, along with matching U.S. Census demographic information and the type of voting equipment in use."

Its ultimate goal "is to be able to gather and analyze data as it comes in on election night, and to spot vote counting problems in time for candidates to request an investigation or recount - before they concede. And it hopes to have such a system in place by 2006."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Don't just "hope"--donate to USCountVotes
They really need funds to build their very important project.

See uscountvotes.org.

Or, if you want to assist in their work in other ways, go to garybeck's site:
solarbus.org/election

and take a look at the volunteer page.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. If they incorporate citizen-certified exit polls, they will succeed
Publicly vetted polling models designed to pick winners & losers to 2 standard deviations with citizen volunteer pollsters and public access to the results.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. yes I can't see how it would work
without independently conducted public access exit polling. A good Q for them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:39 AM
Response to Original message
4. I don't want to "get over it."
My president was stolen from me. My entire life has changed, for the worse, because of it. My anxiety level is at level orange, and remains there as long as the drooling nitwit is in the White House.

If I "get over it," I might as well lie down on Karl Rove's front porch and be the doormat that the Repubs expect the Dems to be. No effin' way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:15 PM
Response to Original message
6. This is a GREAT, GREAT, GREAT article! Send to all your lists and...
...everywhere else. Send thank you's to the writer and the paper, and to Joiner!

Article writer's email: rzaleski@madison.com

The Capital Times editorial page (letters to ed): TCTVoice@madison.com

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:30 PM
Response to Original message
7. Here's my LTE:
Edited on Sat Mar-05-05 03:32 PM by Peace Patriot
Dear Editor:

Thank you for the article by Rob Zaleski, “Voting Glitches Haunt Statistician” (3/4/05). I’ve read the report that Dr. Joiner helped write, with eight other Ph.D. co-authors, for USCountVotes.org, and the other reports he mentions, and I agree with Dr. Joiner’s grave concern about our election system. What to do now? We must achieve a transparent, auditable voting system, where peoples’ votes don’t just disappear into the electronic ether. It’s doubtful that we can achieve that with the current electronic voting machines, which are extremely insecure. Please see Republican hacker Chuck Herrin’s easy demo on how insecure these machines are, at http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm.

At the very least, we need open source code and a “Voter Verified Paper Ballot” (an official record of the vote to use in recounts and audits)--and mandatory audits. The idea that our voting machines are run on secret, proprietary source code, owned and controlled by major partisans of the Bush regime is seriously alarming. And that many Democratic leaders seem to have gone along with this—an inherently fraud-prone voting system—is also deeply troubling.

I think vote counting should be seeable by human eyes, and occur at human speed, and everybody should be able to understand how it’s done—not just experts. If we can’t make this electronic voting system transparent, we need to go back to a paper ballot/hand counting system.

XXXX

------

Note: I wanted to get this out quickly, so I didn't mention the OTHER issue that Dr. Joiner brings up--the blackout on this story in the news media. Very important. Someone else here should cover it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Very cool. Thank you for doing that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 03:53 AM
Response to Original message
9. The 2004 fraudulent election--and the overwhelming evidence for it,
and the numerous Ph.D.'s and other experts writing about it--gets almost no press, so when a newspaper or news organization publishes a piece like this, WE SHOULD REALLY LET THEM HEAR OUR PRAISE!

Come on, Duers, get ON this!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat Apr 20th 2024, 12:36 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Election Reform Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC