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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:54 PM
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FROM New Yorkers for Verified Voting:
Another Paper Ballot Demonstration in Albany!

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Please join us in Albany, Wednesday, 3/23 for a voting machine demonstration
and Paper Ballots for NY lobbying day!

Next Wednesday, March 23, a demonstration of voting machines is scheduled to
be held in the Well of the Legislative Office Building in Albany from 9AM to
5PM. New Yorkers for Verified Voting has been invited to have a table.

This will be an opportunity to make the case for paper ballots and optical
scan to many legislators, and talk to them about the downsides of DREs. We
know the DRE sales reps will not be, so it's up to us.

On Wednesday, we need people to visit with legislators and staff, help us
staff our PBOS information table at the demonstration, and circulate the
message about why we need to choose paper ballots for NY. Let me know if you
can make it to Albany this Wednesday.

Our NYVV table will be set up in the Well of the LOB, meet us there!

Thanks,
Bo Lipari
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:07 AM
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1. New York had major election problems documented by EIRS reports
Especially New York City, the only area that I looked at:

http://www.flcv.com/newyork.html
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 02:04 AM
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2. If we get those DREs, you ain't seen nothin' yet! nt
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 02:08 AM
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3. When it gets
counted by the optical scan machine where does the count total of the optical scan machine go?
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:18 PM
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4. kster, if you live in the state and you want to tell the legislature
where you think it should go (the count that is!), please tell them.

There are numerous provisions in the proposed NY legislation prohibiting data transfer to/from voting machines, but it's not clear whether this is only DURING the election, or also includes before and after the election, and whether it also includes Op Scanners, which may not strictly be considered to be "voting machines."

If you live in NY, write to the decision makers and tell them exactly what YOU want.

See:
wheresthepaper.org and
nyvv.org
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 12:22 PM
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5. Oh, one other thing:
Precinct-count optical scanners will provide the totals locally so that everyone can add them up in addition to or even without the use any centralized tabulation machines. They also warn the voter abut overvotes and undervotes so the voter can correct his/her ballot before it's counted. The only weak link I can see is the scanner programming itself and the paper ballots, which could be printed in some odd ways. But precinct-count Op Scans can remove the tabulator as a source of manipulation if they are used correctly.
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