You know guys I've been lurking on this forum for months

now reading all the interesting datails . but my question is , do you beleive any of this will lead to shrubs impeachment , or are we fighting windmills ?

rate your confidence that bush will be impeached on a scale of one to 10 .(one being the lowest)

no way in hell this guy will ever be impeached.

Got an e-mail about it today. Said that the donations are way up, signatures, sign requests, participation at rallies, etc.

but impeachment is carried out by congress. It's not going to happen with this congress.

is there any hope with the current republican controlled house....

what is the evidence that even the most vile republican can't dismiss ...

I don't think he'll ever be impeached either. The best we can hope for is that history sees him as we see him.

it would be a rough ride

voting machines. Without them, there is no hope. I give it a 1.

"Management" is getting its ducks in line. They have Fitzgerald in place. He may seem to be treading water, taking his time, and he is. The first move will be on Cheney. Fitzgerald will indite someone so close to Cheney, there will be calls for his resignation. Then a "safe" VP will be selected, someone people can agree is "presidential" and not a drooling partisan. Then the press will unleash it's repeated broadsides against * including an, "oh so shocked" investigation of "Gannon." Bush will be driven to the brink mentally and will resign for "health reasons." Mr. Consensus VP of "presidential timber" will move in and try to make sense out of the mess * created. People will not be happy because, at that point, we'll have major economic problems.

Why will this happen? Because * is simply a lunatic and even those who want the tax breaks and regulatory freedom know that a 30% increase in revenues *that are worth nothing* is worse than the revenues they have right now, which can retain some worth if * stops trashing th country. Just as Nixon became to "crazy" for "management," * has become to grossly incompetent. The World Bank and UN appointments will make this clear. He went to Europe to "make friends" and was treated with some restrained respect. Now he's back home and insulting the Europeans with Wolfie and Bolton. People in power know a nut when they see one and they want him gone. Maybe 12 months at the most, and he is history.

I'll remember your post and call you on it in a few years !

think of a major event in American History that did not involve the conspiring of multiple people or groups; or any major crime against property or large groups of people that did not involve a conspiracy. If conspiracies were not prevalent, why would we have RICO?

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than "conspiracies". I do agree with your reasoning and hope we both are right. :hi:

I figured he would take himself out sometime this summer. Probably August.

Nervous breakdown, health reasons, whatever. But the cabal goes on.

But if you two see machinations taking out the entire cabal, that is a much more optimistic scenario.

Thanks for the cheer up.

government and in the repuke party and dem party are corrupt and are enjoying the BFEE's destruction of our nation.

There is a huge effort going on behind the scenes and a huge power struggle. imho

That is the presumption of my theory, observation. * and company are loathed by the people who actually run the government and military. He has his "butt boys" in key positions but they are not liked by those who execute the policies. If you combine the permanent government, the career civil servants and soldiers, with people with mega financial interests that will be crushed by the * and neocon cult of self-annihilation, you have a potent weapon. I think something like this happened with Watergate. The Post plugged along covering the scandal and no one really cared. Once Nixon was back in and it was apparent that brilliant as he might be, the man had become a barking paranoid sociopath, it was time to let the rest of the dogs loose and ... voila, no more Nixon. Ford was actually a pretty good choice, given the options, because he wasn't a fanatic. At any rate, I don't see things going down as smoothly this time. There is no unifying elder statesman and when * goes, the 50% Democrats plus 10-20% of the * voters will be on fire, like we are at all times. They/we won't settle. It will be interesting.

:toast: to the coming constitutional drama and our role in it.

They gotta pry Dick out of his undisclosed vocation, and replace him with a real Repub, not a neo-con, before * can be sent home.

Nice analysis, autorank.

...turd blossom, jimmyjeff, etc..:o

the evil cartel

Momentum is building. One can only hope it will happen before all is completely lost.

will they just standby and do nothing....

maybe this will show that 51% is a fabricated number!

I suspect many of the people who actually voted for * are seeing they made a bad decision.

It's like the bumper sticker someone mentioned on DU the other day: "I voted for Bush and now I have no overtime pay".

my sister is a born-again living in NC and voted for * to "keep us safe" and she regrets it now. And if she does, a proud owner of all of the Left Behind books, then I know so many more are, too.

watch the election fraud forums... lots of good stuff happening there.....

Most of 'em will stick with the idiot, if the idiot confesses to pedophilia, necrophilia, and draft dodging. Many however are already peeling off. The right wingers in my office are either switching parties and philosophies, or at least hating the idiot for what he is doing to damage their side.

There will be a rising popular disaffection with * that will be grass rots based. This will push and be pulledl by the "management" Kabuki Theatre with Fitzgerald and CM's (corporate media's)Professional Wresteling storyline. The trick will be to have the public demands determine who the actual VP (President in waiting) is. We need to hijack the momentum at a key point and screw CM and their bosses.

Amfortas, if 1-2 years isn't "in time", we don't have much to save anyway. We've got plenty of time to save our political system. The real question is what's going to happen to the world with golbal warming, etc. What happens when the Chinese and Indian's have massive flooding in coastal cities and crop failure when the weather goes insane? Now that's scarry!

N.B. There is at least one major law firm collecting material on those who deny Global Warming and the source of their funding. These lawyers are meticulously gathering this data in order to initiate class action suits against the executives and companies who support the nay-sayers of global warming (need to be paid off to make that argument). Now that's a conspiracy, those corporate weenies hiring hacks to screw the world.

Let's all get ready for the big World :party:

What happens here isn't isolated. It affects the world. Look at the uproar over naming Wolfie to the WB.

I feel so out of touch!

first the Guckert Gannon thing to get the MediaGate rolling,
then the movie VoterGate will come out showing all the election fraud and like the 9/11 movie will mobilize folks 'within' the government too shielded by a very very very bad media to just get on with the impeachment...

it'll be the fbi/cia folks cause they are most threatened by rumsfeld's push for taking over budget and power...

and a mild economic crisis will nudge popular american sentiment to support it... I hope I'm right, I keep saying this to give myself a little more room to feel 'ok' about the world...

Listen, this is the first time that we have had a president that has been heavily subidized by a foreign power, i.e. the Saudis, now all this stuff is coming out how he had planned to invade Iraq, grab up the oil and break OPEC, I imagine that the Saudis are really happy with him, really happy. Things are going to emerge now, big time things regarding the election, Iraq, 9-11 that will blow the lid off.
The American people see him as the underdog, the little guy, who is fighting off the bullies, wait till the truth comes out.

Sorry about MD losing arguably the best US Senator (brains, work ethic, integrity). The man is awesome. I hope he writes or stays in the game somehow (hey, in my scenario, he could be the VP!).

So, MissWaverly, what "news" do you think will be the tipping point and how do you think it will come out? Inquiring minds want to know. :evilgrin:

I believe that Osama Bin Laden will be captured and interrogated but not by us, he'll be caught by Pakistani's and turned over to the Brits to interrogate.

yes Sarbanes' retirement from US Senate will be a loss but I don't think that his seat will go to a Republican. There may be help for the rest of the country from our statehouse, they are reviewing documented problems with widespread election irregularities across the State of Maryland with our Diebold TS machines, and tabulating issues. Hope, keep hoping for the truth to emerge big time on Nov. 04.

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while they still own the voting machines, it will be business as usual on the middle-class and lower economic threshold's tax dollars.

(Remember, the wealthy have "assett protection.)

through the propaganda and we can then teach others. It is a big fight.. but not letting them turn America into an indirect rule colony where the elites can ignore the needs of the masses.. that is a good and important fight. The fight of a lifetime.

Every little battle we win, every time we pull together and don't go after each other... we have taken a little bit back our American. Because it belongs to the people.. not the elites.

Repo-dudes, is the war that we are currently losing. . .gun-barrel democracy.

We heard the same thing when we started trying to get congress people to formally object to invalid electors. (You'll never get a Senator. Well, guess what?)

It is nearly beside the point whether it leads to a "success" like impeachment. The reasons for this are numerous and varied, but a couple of "bottom lines" are:

Silence is complicity.

There is no other moral option for a real patriot.

If anyone would care to slog or scan through some more detailed discussion, you can do it here: www.jan6points.org -- Much of it is specific to "elector objection" effort, but there is a weaving in of more generally applicable points, including values-assertion and political-strategic advantages of doing what we're doing here.

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Oh, and for "probability"?

• Impeached and removed - 0.7
  
  
• Impeached not removed - 1.5
  
  
• Resolution of Reconciliaton and Censure;
  
  citing impeachable offenses (post Jan 20, 2009) - 2.5
  
  
• Resolution of Reconciliaton and Censure;
  
  citing impeachable offenses (posthumously) - 4.9
  

(Note the message we all need to be sending -- that this will never "go away." Not even after we're pushing up daisies.)

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I agree with you .... plus we must not forget about 2006 also , gaining then will put us on better battleground.

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or resignation. I wish it wasn't so, but the mainstream public does not know how bad Shrub really is! I do not see this changing. With Micheal Jackson, Martha Stewart, and even Terry Schiavo being the main headlines in the mainstream media, the public will never learn the truth. I hope I am proven wrong, but BUSH & CO have shown they are masters at manipulaton and spinning news.

...helicopter and all.

A Great Day for America!

Since the odds of Bush winning the election, according to the exit polls, were about as likely as him winning the lottery and getting hit by lightening on the same day, I give us the same odds of getting him impeached and convicted.

If 1 is the lowest then

1 + (1/383,460,581,646,824)

or

1 + the chance that Bush could exceed the exit poll margin of error in 17 states

...but that is probably optimism on my part.

But its useful to document what happened in the Election, irregardless of whether it leads to impeachment.

There are a lot of other impeacable acts that have happened, such as with 9/11 that might come into play.

...there used to be rules, somewhat. Unilateral philosophical submission to fascism, anyone? (well, yeah, some.) Cheerio, Ghandi only had the colonial Brits to overcome. Strangers in a strange land. But we -- we have them. And it's all so different now. No rules anymore, really. Except our internal progressive compasses.