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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:04 AM
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Must see - Kyrgyzstan video
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 03:25 AM by garybeck
Anti-Government Protesters Storm Palace in Kyrgyzstan

Guess what motivated these folks to take over their government?

A STOLEN ELECTION

"anti-government protesters have stormed the government palace... thousands of protesters... security forces fled the complex ... there have been days of demonstration ever since the opposition accused the government of RIGGING THE PARLIMENTARY ELECTION ...

You must watch this video of the taking over of the building. It's all in the first 10 minutes of today's Democracy Now! broadcast.

At about 2:30, Amy Goodman does a brief story on it

at about 7:00 they show the video

http://democracynow.org/streampage.pl?show=2005-03-24

could this happen in USA?

what if our opposition actually accused the government of rigging the election? we seem to be missing that key item.
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:23 AM
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1. If it hits the fan and its proven...
That the department of agriculture and US officials had the election rigged, used some programmers, and covered it up in Florida I could see riots on the level Ukraine never dreamed of.


Me and many others would probably storm the streets, I hate crooked cops anyway, and it would mean a smorgosbord of fights.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:41 AM
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5. I disagree. Too many Americans are dumb, mentally ill,
lazy and cowardly to launch a serious physical protest against the Govt.
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:46 AM
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6. Or so the tale goes....
That's what the media would have the world believe.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:01 AM
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7. I didn't base my derogatory remarks on what the media has
said. I live in America and talk with people and see the people
proudly displaying their "W" stickers. They are proud that they help with the overthrow of our Democracy. I see Democrat politicians voting to allow Bush to go to war whenever he wants. I see a bankruptcy law voted in that will cause great suffering just for the benefit of the credit card companies. Just about everywhere I look, I see people obsessing about inappropriate things and not being afraid of things that are very dangerous. They are worried about gay relationships, prayer in schools while the Presidents sends our youth all over the world to murder and subdue anyone he wants and to die while doing it.

The media is no more than the propaganda arm of the fascist govt. Why would I pay any attention to what they are doing?
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:11 AM
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8. That's exactly right.
The entire US media has conditioned them that way, until currently more and more turn to the internet for the news.

Can you imagine what it would be like if all the masses in each state, started turning more and more, to the internet, until it became the number one source.....

Then all their programming would be washed away, and we would get an uprising.

Germany was the same way, lazy and complacent, up until the real colors came screeching out. Then came the turnover uprising, we have the ability to do it long before that.

Fellowship zombie followers would be cast aside, and smitten for following all the lies if they understood once and for all the real nature of the propaganda. You build it, they will come.

We are in a society conditioned by electronic stimulation....you have to uncondition that, to make true civil rights reform.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:21 AM
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9. You are right about the potential of the INTERNET.
However, that avenue can , probably will, be taken away within the not too distant future.
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:25 AM
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10. Hahhah but the question is IF
There's millions of us bloggers, they can't take us all down and to wage full scale war on the internet would mean everyone would be ready to chip in and take the guys of the Fellowship house down including maybe former playmates.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:27 AM
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11. I'm afraid that the INTERNET is more controllable than
you realize.
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:34 AM
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12. I've read the books....
But in order to fully regulate the internet you'd need one heck of a powerful system....

The best they could do is slowly keep pushing down dissent....But our only real choice, and to disrupt the balance, would be to get the world union involved and pass laws excluding the internet from FEC regulations...

Or find a way to write the bills which get put into law by former senators and governors, create a new union type deal.

I'm always reminded of Watergate.....It can always look bleak, but that doesn't mean that's the future you have.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:24 AM
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2. I've been wondering if this is another CIA inspired "protest"
As far as a take over, I think the idea of GITMO or Kent State is enough to quash those ideas.
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:01 AM
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3. More people impoverished could spur an uprising.
I think the reason a popular uprising has not hit the US is because more people are still living fairly comfortably plus the mainstream media deverts attention from the fleecing from the powers that be. Maybe if the Bushites and Vichy Democrats continue their shenanagans and more people fall into poverty, maybe people will wake up and finally take to the streets.

That is just my little theory on why there is still a complacency. It will be a matter of time before people do get the message that their government is screwing them. My fear is that the Bushites will further put the vice grip on civil liberties.


John
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:19 AM
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4. Georgia, Ukraine, and now Kyrgyzstan
The video from DemocracyNow is inspiring. It makes me wish that Americans would get motivated. I don't think we need to break in to the oval office yet but it's an idea.

As I was watching a piece on BBC News about the Kyrgyzstan election tonight, I really began to wonder how much the US had to do with the revolt there. Two other ex-Soviet states have fallen towards pro-European/American interests in the last year in similar ways.

Here is the BBC report from 3/24:

Video - BBC Report on revolt in Kyrgyzstan



Video in Real Media format (6 minutes)

This report reminded me of an article recently published in the Online Journal:

March 19, 2005

The new Gladio in action?

Ukrainian postmodern coup completes testing of new template

By Jonathan Mowat


The operation - Engineering Democracy through the Ballot Box and Civil Disobedience - is now so slick that the methods have matured into a Template for Winning Other People's Elections.

WASHINGTON, March 19, 2005—The U.S. government and allied forces' year-end installation of Victor Yushchenko as president of Ukraine have completed the field-testing of the "Postmodern Coup." Employing and fine-tuning the same sophisticated techniques used in Serbia in 2000 and Georgia in 2003 (and unsuccessfully in Belarus in 2001), it is widely expected that the United States will attempt to apply the same methods throughout the former Soviet Union.

continued...

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:35 PM
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13. We do have a NEW, not often spoken about Air Force Base
Recently built to support the defense of the Afghan pipeline construction.

Hummmmm?

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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:48 PM
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14. Whoa. Amazing article by Mowat!
Basically almost an operating manual for how various interests have facilitated soft coups around the globe.

Thanks for posting!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:43 PM
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15. .

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