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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 12:16 AM
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''There is always room for human error.'' ???????!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b1_2electionapr01,0,4277207.story?coll=all-newslocal-hed

From The Morning Call -- April 1, 2005

Bucks upgrading election software
Officials want to avoid error made in GOP primary last year.

By Hal Marcovitz
Of The Morning Call

Bucks County commissioners hope they have solved the software bug that gave U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter a bogus 85,000-vote lead in last year's Republican primary. On Wednesday the commissioners approved a contract with a consultant to upgrade the software used on election night that reports vote counts. John Polec of Philadelphia will be paid $12,000 to install the software, which will be tested in May's primary and, if successful, used in the fall election.

A year ago a volunteer in the county's Information Services Department typed in an incorrect total for a rural Springfield Township precinct, giving Specter an 85,000-vote lead in his primary fight against Pat Toomey, the former Lehigh Valley congressman. The false count was projected onto the tally screen displayed in the lobby of the county courthouse and transmitted over the Internet, where it was picked up by news organizations as well as aides at Specter and Toomey headquarters. ''We had people calling us from all over the state,'' said Thomas Rawcliffe, director of information services for the county government. ''It even went out over CNN. Everybody thought Specter had a resounding landslide victory.''

Specter eventually won the race by about 16,000 votes. County officials detected the mistake minutes after it happened, but because of the limitations of the software they were unable to correct the error until after the last of the county's 303 precincts reported early the next morning. The new software still requires workers to type the numbers into a database, Rawcliffe said, but now if a mistake is detected the tally can be halted and corrected. Also, Rawcliffe said, the software will help prevent a similar error because it will not accept more votes than the number that could be cast in a particular precinct.

If the system had been in place a year ago, Rawcliffe said, the software would have prevented the worker from typing in a count of 85,000 votes in the Springfield precinct, which has a registration of a few hundred voters. Commissioner Sandra A. Miller said the software upgrade should help avoid similar problems. ''This will help to some extent,'' she said. ''There is always room for human error.''

hal.marcovitz@mcall.com

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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 12:32 AM
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1. When it's Republican, it's human error...
when it's Democratic, it's the liberals trying to intimidate voters with their strong-arm scare tatics.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 12:33 AM
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2. Sounds wide open to abuse to me - they just have to be more subtle
about it. Strikes me as significant that even that huge 85,000 mistake was accepted enough to go out and get on TV without being corrected. :scared:
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 01:24 AM
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3. Whoa now man...
This is disgusting, Arlen Specter was one of the few moderates who left the GOP to start his own arm of republicans.

He didn't want any part of fascism so it looks like the whackos are kicking him out.

Wow, now Specter won't ever have a chance again since their aggregator spoiled tabulators are basically going to nix him out of the entire race.

This is how these fascists are acting with everybody, they are getting completely ruthless. I can only imagine how much they want to enable vote fraud for all the years to come, and kick Specter and anyone else out of the party.
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 07:01 AM
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4. What's an 'aggregator spoiled tabulator '
Hey LatePeriduct/Schools Out,
What is an 'aggregator spoiled tabulator' and is there any real evidence of them being used in elections?
Is there something OTHER than you pal's rigged-aggregators blog page that you can point to?
Thanks
HG
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:22 PM
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6. I was wondering when you'd show your face
Hah I hate to dissapoint you HG, but there is more proof I've already seen for myself.

If you don't think you can explain it away by just some immaterial questions, maybe you should try your logic on a real scientist?

http://www.downes.ca/files/resource_profiles.htm

This professional backs up just about everything they are saying, oh with one small point correction. They found out it basically destroyed the privacy and elections of their country instead of anything to do with U.S.A.

This guy's been shouting the message for years and it gets even better then that. Each so called citizen or voter is assigned a unique identifier, and that means these people can do whatever they want now.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:24 PM
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7. I'm sorry, but I see nothing about elections in your reference
I don't see where Stephen Downes has anything to say about privacy or elections either on that page or on his whole site.

This just seems to be a scholarly paper on XML resource profiles.

Could you perhaps clarify?

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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:50 PM
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8. Oh right where are my manners
If I can't explain it, I can sure point you to the exact places they are talking about.

Let me spell it out in fact.

Steven Downe's report in that address

Sections

3.4 Distributed Metadata

&

3.5 Resource Identifiers

Sure might be a nice idea to read all of his reports, and not a few words. I wonder where all of that info allowing voters to be let in or not goes...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,949709,00.html
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 11:25 PM
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9. I'm sorry to be dense but...
...I still don't see anything relating to elections or privacy concerns. Further, that article you link to at the Guardian UK is just a story on Choicepoint and Nicaragua.

I really need to be shown something concrete here.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:20 AM
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5. thinking to election night i believe it was spector that
was significantly behind. about the same time i saw bush stealing, his yellow room interview, something happened with the spectar vote and he was declared winner

it was odd that night with his election
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