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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 04:36 PM
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A Little Tribute to the ER & D Forum
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 05:21 PM by marions ghost
This is my 1000th post at DU...
It's also roughly the 6-month mark since the spontaneous eruption of this fabulous election resource/reform activist support group...
(which is a lot more historic than my 1000th post).

It seems like years have passed...once upon a time my first post at DU was in this forum, just after the Shock and Awe of Election 2004. It was therapeutic to find others who were prepared to face the hard cold Truth and turn the implications of this national nightmare into immediate action. Even from my limited experience in election campaigns, I realized on Nov 3 that it would take some kind of awesome obsessive collective stubbornness and stamina to counter The Spin--The Lies--The Apathy--The Huge Resistance. I knew that it was going to be a real salvage job, nothing less than a Reconstruction of Democracy here at home, no mission for the faint-hearted or the impatient. I knew that we election objectors might be deserted at first as so many around us were either in denial or scrambling for cover. Nothing but a thankless Herculean effort remained when the dust cleared... Today I can say we have made progress, and yet I know it is still an uphill battle. I know that I could not do my bit for the election reform movement without the information and inspiration I get out of this forum. I'm just a plodder and a cheerleader though, you guys are the A-team...you give me hope that it can and WILL be done. We WILL have fair elections in America.

:patriot: :applause: :toast: :grouphug: :loveya:

...to all those I recognize from the "early days" of 2004 ER&D:

garybeck, melissaB, bill bored, rumpel, wilms, TIA, bradblog, ojai person, arnheim, NV mojo, emlev, helderheid, amaryllis, tommcintyre, peace patriot, nashuaadvocate, merh, land shark, freepfryer, carolab, KaliTracy, alizaryn, mod mom, eomer, dzika, wakemewhenits, rosebud57, iconoclastNYC, kevin_pda, sfexpat, paineinthearse, berniew1, al-caida, do youeverwonder, rigel99, mikelewis, fly by night, fogerRox, understandinglife, botany, flyarm, karyninmiami, befree, althecat, corey_baker, atliberty, keepthemhonest, kiwi_expat, junkyardogg, prag...apologies to anyone I left out...whew, SO MANY!!!!!

*A round of applause* to the newcomers here now,too...and also *special recognition for inspiration and morale* to bleever, Will Pitt, Andy Stephenson, and the witty, wet and wild KOEB.

So has anybody got a word or two to mark the 6-month anniversary of this Coalition Of The Not Getting Over It? Any inspirational thoughts? It's been active on this front lately, I realize, but can some of you all come out of your trenches for a minute and speak to Universal Accomplishments and/or the Task Ahead? Or anything else that comes to mind at this particular milestone.
NGU, Paper Ballots :loveya: respectfully, mg
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 04:42 PM
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1. Way to go MG!
Once in awhile it's nice to look back and see how far
you've come.

:)
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 08:13 PM
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11. thanks prag
NGU, American Democracy is on the line. Taking back our election system is #1. That much is crystal clear.
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rigel99 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:34 PM
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26. you get it..
how do we convince others that taking back the election system is priority one? few get the primacy of this critical act....

IF YOU CAN"T CHOOSE YOUR CANDIDATES HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM?
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 04:48 PM
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2. Congratulations, marions ghost!
I think we are making a difference! The drips have been slow, but they are there. The last couple of weeks have been wonderful. With Conyers on our team, I don't think the reform movement is going away or leaving the spotlight for any length of time.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 04:50 PM
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3. Congratulions on 1,000
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 05:18 PM by merh
HAPPY 1,000


So glad you have stuck around and so grateful for your efforts! Odd, the others forums have their flame wars and discontent, but the folks on this forum are wonderful. We have been able to work together (despite differences of opinions) to pursue the election fraud issues and to support each other.

Congratulations to you & all on 2004 Election Results and Discussion.

NEVER GIVE UP


ONLY PAPER BALLOTS WILL DO


:party: :party: :party: :party: :toast: :toast: :party: :party: :party: :party:
:pals: :grouphug: :pals: :grouphug: :hug:
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 04:58 PM
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4. I agree!
This has pretty much been a flame free forum for a while, and I sure would like for it to stay that way.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:04 PM
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5. We love the forum and each other too much!
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 05:30 PM by merh
And most of the others think we are hopeless, harmless kooks.

Little to they know! :grouphug:

Let me take this time to that you MelissaB for all of your efforts and organization! :hug:

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: To those who struggle for Election Reform and the return of Democracy! :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 01:10 PM
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27. Agree.
:bounce:
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:15 PM
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6. thank you merh ! that is Extra
...however at the rate I'm going (1,000 posts in 6 mos)...it should be about 4 more years before I hit 10K, but thanks in advance! :)

Yes, ER&D has worked together very effectively and is a great resource for others at this point. I am in awe of the energy, intelligence, and dedication here.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:17 PM
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7. Oops, where the heck are my glasses??????
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 05:18 PM by merh
:freak: Let's see if I can edit!

LOL :rofl:


Sentiments the same!!!! :hug:


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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:44 PM
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8. to err is still human,
:rofl:

I'm sure you had an independent auditor verify and adjust the official results ;)
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:51 PM
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9. Yeah, his name was Ken Blackwell,
I hear his reputation is impeccable and he takes credit for the weed's win in '04! :silly:

:rofl:

:freak:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 07:11 PM
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10. Cheers to you, mg, and to everyone here who keeps working
and believing in the face of what have sometimes seemed like impossible odds.

At least we know, thanks to TIA, that however long the odds have seemed, they've never been as remote as the odds that * actually won.

:toast:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 11:19 PM
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14. Speaking of believing
Do you have an active I Believe thread?

I am in the mood to profess my beliefs, after all, it's almost Sunday!

:hi: How you doing bleever! So good to see you. :pals:

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 12:28 AM
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15. Hi merh.
Nice to see you, anyplace at DU.


The current "I Believe" thead is about 3/4 the way down the front page, at 10:26 pm PDT.


Belief is always within reach.


:hi:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 12:53 AM
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16. Now that it is Sunday - I shall go express my beliefs!
:hug:

NGU!
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:08 PM
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12. Thanks to everyone here for being able to hold on to "reality"....
this forum has been steadfast in sticking to the truth, and speaking up for it, no matter where it leads. I have the utmost respect for us all!
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:47 PM
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13. Congrats MG from another mg... same time frame
a couple of hundred posts behind..I'm a slow typist!:toast:
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 02:34 PM
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18. thanx MelissaG
some are jackrabbits, some are tortoise

Me = tortoise. I can think a lot faster than I type. I want to just think it onto the screen. Havent seen any software for that yet.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 12:24 PM
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17. Did you know that at the thousandth post, you get
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 07:41 PM
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21. thanx wilms
what a..er...useful gift! I really love oil changes, such a thrill, especially those fabulous ones down at Motor City. Can I have a Regime Change for post 2006?

:donut: :hug: :donut: :hug: :donut:
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 08:24 PM
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22. Regime change at 2000 Posts.
Good one MG!

:rofl:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 07:20 PM
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19. Congratulations on your 1000th post, marions ghost!
This forum helped me maintain my faith in the American people. I've always felt, deep down, that most ordinary Americans have good hearts and a lot of common sense. I will never forget that nearly 60% of Americans opposed the Bush invasion of Iraq right up to the invasion, despite all the lies and relentless propaganda. Either they opposed the war altogther (most) or they felt that the U.N. was the rightful forum for deciding if an invasion was necessary. This opposition to the war only stumbled for the few months of the invasion itself, obviously for fear of harming soldiers on the battlefield, then shot right back up. Today, opposition to the Iraq war still stands at almost 60%.

They didn't buy the crap. And we've seen that consistently in opinion polls over a long period of time--unprecedented disapproval of Bush, and disapproval of all major Bush policies, foreign and domestic, up in the 60% to 70% range in recent polls. 63% of Americans disapprove of torture UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES (Feb. '05). These are great, generous, deep-thinking people.

Still, it concerned me, prior to the election, with so much disinformation in the news monopoly press, that Americans might fall for the Swiftboat Liars and the numerous phony "terrorist alerts," and the relentless rightwing noise on TV--or that some would sit on their hands because Kerry wasn't sufficiently anti-war or populist--or that the tremendous grass roots voter reg and GOTV efforts would be overwhelmed by the Bush-Cheney money machine...or...or...

And, for a couple of hours on election night, it seemed like that had happened. I didn't know that the TV networks had altered the exit poll data, which showed a Kerry win all day--that they had actually doctored the exit polls, late in the day, to fit the official result. I did know something about electronic voting, and by midnight on 11/2 was convinced that something was very wrong.

But it wasn't until I found DU that I began to understand WHAT was wrong (that they'd actually changed the exit poll numbers, for instance). And I soon learned the whole of it.

The people in whom I had always had faith--the American people--had come through! They voted to oust Bush--and did so very likely by a landslide.

So finding out just how the will of the majority of Americans was thwarted that night--studying all the various reports at DU, and helping to figure it out the details--has bolstered my faith in the intelligence, good hearts and common sense of the American people. They DID see past all the lies and propaganda, and voted to get our progressive country back. There is no rightwing trend at all. It's all a P.R. myth! Yeah, there are rightwingers and fascists and crazy pro-war Christians, but they are the minority, as they always have been.

What Americans DIDN'T know is that their election system itself had been so seriously compromised, by private rightwing electronic voting machine companies getting control of the vote count, they no longer had the right to oust the Bush Cartel. Their votes didn't count. Nor did they know how many major violations of the Voting Rights Act were taking place (that the U.S. Attorney General was failing to enforce the law). They were sort of stuck in the mindset of a decade ago--that the election system failed in '00, but that it's generally okay, and will generally reflect majority sentiment. They have been very poorly informed about HAVA, haven't realized what an extremely corrupting influence it has been, and they are mostly not aware of the dangers of electronic voting (and who controls it).

I feel for them--especially for the first time voters, also for those who stood out in the rain for 10 hours in the hope that their perserverance would help change things for the better, for those who worked so hard on the grass roots efforts, and for Kerry voters everywhere (Democrat, Republican or other), who don't know what happened that day.

To me, it was a great relief to find out that my faith in the American people was justified. Yeah, the bastards stole another election. (What do you expect from the Bush Cartel? I mean, really....) But I still live in a progressive country--a country in which the population, the most propagandized population since Stalinest Russia, IS TRYING HARD, IS THINKING FOR ITSELF, and still believes in justice, tolerance, generosity, democracy and peace.

That's what's important. I would have found it much harder if I had concluded that the majority had voted for Bush. I don't think they did. I think the evidence is overwhelming that they didn't. That, to me, is very heartening.

Our task is not to ween a delusional population from brainwashing, nor to "reach" rightwingers; our task is to reach the progressive majority, inform them of what happened, and help us all find our way back to democracy and majority rule.

How do you inform people who are in denial (i.e., some of those progressives)? I think we have to realize, first of all, that a lot of people rely on the news monopolies as a sort of conduit to the nation--it helps them feel that they belong to the nation, to a larger community. (Many folks are without neighborhood and family communities these days.) Many know that a lot of it is B.S. They may know of specific lies that have been promulgated (such as Iraq WMDs). But they still rely on these news monopolies as a general concept--and maybe moreso after 9/11 (such a great trauma, for most of us via TV). Despite evidence to the contrary, they still believe that they are more or less getting reality from those news sources. They are not aware of the staggering lie that the news monopolies told them about the exit polls.

It's going to be hard for them to break this dependence on the TV news (and for some, the monopoly printed press). With an illegitimate government, and a completely unreliable national news establishment, who are we? Are we a nation? All our cracks begin to show, often on racial lines. There is no one, and nothing, holding us together.

So they cling to the TV news out of emotional and psychological necessity. And those news sources will never admit what they did to the American people on 11/2, and what they have been doing since then: blackholing this tremendously important story. And the Democrats--in fear for their careers and possibly their lives (fearful of the Bush Cartel's power)--are blinding themselves to the truth, or shutting up about it, or are corrupt and collusive.

Some are falling prey to the notion "if it's not in the news, it isn't real." This is due to their over-dependence on the news as the focusing lens of "the nation."

It's a very, very difficult problem, but not nearly as difficult as trying to sway Bush Koolaid drinkers. I think we can safely write the latter off. They are a minority of repressive people who have been with us since time immemorial. They can never succeed in a real democracy (where there is freedom of thought, and an honest voting system). Their over-representation in Congress right now is quite scary. But it's not the Koolaid drinkers or their fascist Congress people that we have to convince. They cannot be convinced. It's the OTHERS that we have to be concerned with. The disenfranchised majority.

It took a year on Iraq WMDs, for that 100% lie to be exposed. And even before it was fully exposed, Americans didn't buy it as an excuse for invasion. And the more extreme the Bush Cartel gets, the more open the deniers will be to an explanation of the huge discrepancy between American views in all opinion polls, and what the news monopolies told them happened on 11/2.

It's only been six months. Six months!

Have faith, my friends! Have faith in the American people, and in our democratic ideals! Work on it however you can. Never give up.

For every elderly black voter who stood out in the rain for 10 hours; for every poor person who overcame god knows what obstacles to get to the polls; for the millions of young people who voted for hope and for change, in their very first vote; for all the non-voters who overcame their skepticism this time, and voted; for all those who had faith and keep faith in democracy, I honor you and I pledge my help in restoring our progressive country.

And for those here at DU--including you, marions ghost, whose posts I always look forward to reading, and always enjoy--my profound thanks to all this incredible collective effort.

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 09:55 PM
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23. Great post PP. Cheers to Marion's Ghost and to all my fellow
patriots who refuse to give up even on our darkest day. My hope is that in the near future our democracy is restored and our elections are transparent. Until then we must keep up the good fight. Peace.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 02:40 PM
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29. Just a little edit on the last sentence above. (I am truly "anal," as...
...they say, about typos. Caught this one a day too late.)

"And for those here at DU--including you, marions ghost, whose posts I always look forward to reading, and always enjoy--my profound thanks to all (for) this incredible collective effort."

rumpel, I'm with you on the inexperience at blogging. I'd done a little posting at DailyKos and Atrios, but when they abandoned the real issue (election fraud) and "moved on," I switched over here and had to learn a new system. It was months before I even knew that there were other forums at DU, besides the Election forum, believe it or not. And only recently did I get onto the email feature. I've been a political activist all my life--since 1960, the first JFK campaign, when I was 16! I've done a lot of organizing; I'm well-read on politics and history; and to me, there is just no other issue of importance right now, than this stolen election. And this DU forum was and is a central clearinghouse of information on it, as well as a place to communicate with kindred souls, and even to do some organizing on line. I shall be forever grateful for it. Hats off to us all! And...onward!


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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 09:45 AM
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34. thanx Peace Patriot
for your laser sharp perceptions, as usual. Please--keep writing. Your posts may be long, but I always read them in full and often use the suggestions you make. I totally agree with you that the majority of Americans are not stupid at all...they have been deliberately kept in the dark about the realities of election crimes.

You say "Our task is to reach the progressive majority"--right--I think we have made headway, but without the media it's tough. I hope someone is writing a book on all this. A definitive book on what really happened Nov 2 and the aftermath would be a great help in getting past the smokescreen. A compilation of facts and opinion. A lot of resources right here at DU. If you're not writing it, PP, I hope somebody is, because I'm getting tired of reeling the tapes verbally. There's so much info that needs to be distilled--I'd love to have a book to refer people to. It needs to be done soon, asap... :-)

NGU mg
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 07:26 PM
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20. Thanks for the shoutout, and here's one for you. Happy 1000!!!
You're a great part of this community. Thanks for the shoutout, and here's one for you.

CONGRATS ON 1000 !!!!

And here's hoping we'll celebrate the first fraudsters' convictions within a year.
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 11:59 PM
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24. Congrats Marions ghost!
The shock of election 2004 has dissolved, yet our resolve to uncover the truth remains!
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rigel99 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:32 PM
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25. honored to be in your list, marions ghost
first of all, thanks.. it's so nice to have a positive thread now and then.

2nd, I want to speak to universal accomplishments..

landshark with his lawsuit WA
lynn landis with her lawsuit in PA

the 200 folks who attended Nashville driving mainstream media and the word ELECTION FRAUD which was said and legitimately described by Overton and others on the Baker-Carter commission as 'real' problems... this is new 'framing' of a subject when fraud was not spoken anywhere in Nov. or Dec. of 2004

Finally, a little tiny personal bit of history...I met a guy yesterday who heard my Commercial on 88.5 radio (found public service announcements work great in gathering volunteers) and he will host a hip hop fundraiser with his network and help me post announcements about our cause in very 'street terms' to the folks who really matter.. anyway, it just seems to be a turning point to me to take to the streets what really happened in November...

our tiny little group of activists have caused HUGE SHIFTS in perception and changed folks to saying 'count the paper ballots' and now we have a commission where Brad Friedman is in direct dialog, it just amazes me how all the folks in this network are making big changes and saving democracy..

the folks you listed are amazing people, and I for one thank you for highlighting the efforts of the silent few who are trying to take their democracy back!!!

keep up the positive threads marions ghost!!
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 10:22 AM
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35. thanx rigel99
it's so hard to get the Ugly Duckling topic--Election Crimes--out there. If anybody can "take it to the streets"--they will have
made a big contribution. Of course the spectacle of Election 2000 paved the way...thanx to documentaries on that and F-911, there's a bit more sensitivity to the issues around, despite the media blackout. It is no longer unthinkable that there's a pattern to all this.

All your energy and focus is obvious, rigel99. Yes progress has been made, and this network of stubborn realists willing to dig for the details, repeat the truth over and over, and fight on every front of election theft, is making history, IMO. (when I say "theft" I mean all forms of disenfranchisement old and new--it's all theft).

All best in all you do.
NGU mg
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 02:09 PM
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28. Cheers marions ghost! I am honored to be named on your list.
I also came to DU, because I was devastated on Nov 3, and I did not know of DU until I read an article by Will Pitt since I was subscribed to Truthout. I knew no one, who voted for Bush, even repubs, and just could not believe the explanations on MSM. I thought the people in the US have gone bonkers, if that was true.

Little did I know. I had just e-mailed a comment to Steve Weissman's article on the election, that the only way to get to the bottom of this is "by the people", and he responded back to agree. (writing comments was also not my thing, even though I often thought about it)

For the longest time I only read and posted in this forum because curiosity struck me first, and I had very limited knowledge on elections much less the various systems in place. I had never thought to scrutinize the official data... then I got really angry, (my weak spot is injustice and lies), and then I was sucked in.

I thought, ok, I'll do what I can to get to the bottom of this, and so my 2 cents started. ( I even never posted anything anywhere before, blogging was a new world, and I was not sure if I was doing it right. )

Our forum is truly a great rational and fair community and I always feel I am among friends.

Then I got to meet Ojai Person at the Teach-In and others, which was really energizing to say the least.

The whole issue has taken a life of it's own and word is spreading. Look how many organizations popped up over the last months questioning the outcome of the election. So many more people everywhere are rising up to get to the truth.
This is no conspiracy theory, look at the people: academics, Rep Conyers, Tubbs-Jones, Waters, Boxer and citizens from all walks of life.

and I do believe, when we get to the truth collectively, we will do away with those who inflict so much pain to so many people...

Once again, a big TOAST to you, and all my friends!

:toast: :party: :bounce: :yourock:

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 11:38 AM
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36. thanx rumpel
I think you describe the wake-up call that this election was for many of us. I too, had the instant "tilt" reaction on Nov 3. It is a hard cold reality to face when a basic trust has been betrayed, and in this case a sacred public trust. We have every right to be steaming angry. It is not a time to be particularly generous to the perpetrators, who know very well what they are doing. All over the country, whether by vote manipulation, by old-fashioned tampering and intimidation, by prevention of access, by obstruction of justice, by legal maneuvers to prevent proper auditing--it all adds up to theft. They can try to justify it all over the place, but they are guilty of crimes by every reasonable definition. We do not have a system that is effective in dealing with this--that much is crystal clear since 2000, and especially since Nov 2, 2004. The perpetrators have taken every advantage of an antiquated system based on a kind of trust that doesn't exist anymore. The naive public has been hoodwinked and their votes hijacked. It will happen again unless there are major system-wide changes. No voter confidence = no democracy.
:toast: to you and all those engaged in this struggle
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davidgmills Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:10 PM
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30. I didn't make your list, but I didn't deserve to be there either.
They are the real brains and workhorses; I just try to add a little moral support when I can.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 08:34 AM
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37. Everyone who has ever done anything for election truth
and justice and reform deserves credit. You're in the same position I am, davidgmills--in the wings cheering--for anyone and everyone who adds to the gathering of incriminating evidence, to the generation of useful factual and statistical information, to the reporting of the real story, to the actual nitty gritty of election reform work.

I'm just a stubborn concerned citizen, with some volunteer experience in local election campaigns. All I can do is write letters and emails, support the efforts going on at national level and initiatives in my state, talk to anyone who will listen and refer them to resources. Other than that, my particular focus is taking the corporate media to task wherever possible. I am absolutely horrified by the willful complicity of Big Media in election 2004 and in the protection of mass illusion at the expense of the peoples' right to know. We have seen the ugly truth of Election 2004--but only by daring to dig behind the multiple smokescreens. Under these conditions, considering the forces against us, we have made progress largely by group effort. No contribution is too small.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:29 PM
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31. I'm honored.
To be in such great company.

NGU, you all!

In the words of Jon Bonifaz, "WE'RE GONNA WIN!!!"
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:53 PM
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32. Hey, yall
Yall still here, eh? 6 months?...geez.

Glad to see this forum is still popping, hadn't been around for awhile, the frustration was beginning to get to me so I started hitting the other forums to get the level lowered.

I will echo Peace Patriot's words about how this issue IS the most important... it has priority. It is up to us to educate the rest of our progressive friends, but I haven't any new clues on how to do so. Still get that blank stare of dis-belief whenever "They Stole The Election" comes from my heart and out into the air.

Got to get down to the local elections office and sniff around some more. Seems that is the one place my activism will be the most effective?

Anyway, thanks for the mention Marion, and keep up the efforts. Know that I am proud of yall and stand with each and everyone of you in the belief that we will overcome, and take back our vote from the black boxes of electronic voting.

KERRY WON!
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 09:06 PM
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33. I don't post much - I mostly read
as you can tell from my post count!

But this forum kept me sane when I wanted to scream about the fraud. In fact, the rest of DU intimidated me for awhile.

Only in the last few months have I ventured out of this forum to post in GD, GDP, non-fiction and fiction and Wes Clark's forum.

So thanks all, for doing the hard research, so I could keep well informed. You were lifesavers.

Take care - I am here almost daily (except on weekends)lurking about, reading all your stuff, and appreciating all you do.

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